Which turbo should I get......

[KWIKKURT]

DezelPWR,



The KSB-1 is a Kwiker spooling version of the B-1 But will probably not have as great a EGT drop on the top end.



It would be a better choice for the Built autos with tight convertors.



Vaughn M,



I believe the Kwikspoolturbo MikeR was using was a Modified Hx40.



Greg Boardman,



I drive around with the KSB-1 at 6,000 Ft Elevation and my Comp turned off and it spool fine. . I have DD'3's





Cummins Corvette,



When we first spoke at May Maddness I mentioned that you needed to get your Pump and other fueling issues fixed first. . I have had several people that have ridden in your truck before and after MM and some of your Bombing mods mention that you have BIG fueling problems.



Recently when we spoke on the phone and you expressed your concerns I asked you to look at a few turbo related items. You called back and said you had found some F. O. D. Damage. I then asked you to send it in for a check up and offered to Fix, Rebalance and Up grade the bearings if needed at cost. There is not much more I can help you with until your address these concerns.



I am extremly suprised at your "TONS of lag" as the B-1 has had great reviews from dozens of others and the KSB-1 is amazining fast spooling for it size. It will move 10% more air then even a H2e. And will lower EGT's on average Double of most Hx40's that have been compared on like trucks to it. I do remeber your posts of Lag,Lag,and more Lag before you had seen or even ridden in a B-1 Turbo Powered Truck. I do also remeber you complaining about your Hy9cm turbo being bad on Lag. (I guess I should have listened to the Other Tdr members and Vendors)



The B-1 has won Numerous Sled pulling events against even a twin setup or two. Not to mention JetPilot recently won the DragRacing event against 77? other trucks some of them also with twin setups.



As for Barking. The B-1 Will Bark. With its very large Compressor and High (60psi) boost capabilities it is more likely to bark in some configurations. It is mostly due to the large volume of air reversing because the engine is not accepting it.



Usually Changing the Air Filtration, and or Driving Habits cure most if not all of it.

Barking the B-1 or KSB-1 will not Harm it as it is EXTREMELY DURABLE.....





I would be Happy to Purchase the KSB-1 Back from you -- Minus repairs and shipping costs.





Aminanthus,



I am anxiously waiting for someone to compare a KSB-1 to any of the Hx40's for lag..... I am already sure it will win Egt Drops, Max Boost limits (60 psi), Max HP gains and Durability.





Happy JULY 4th to all..... I am headed Home! L8tr Kurt

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Originally posted by KWIKKURT

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Greg Boardman,



I drive around with the KSB-1 at 6,000 Ft Elevation and my Comp turned off and it spool fine. . I have DD'3's





Kurt,



Idon't think I said anything about your turbo being heavey in the lag dpt... I just went with what I thought was best for my application. The KSB-1 was in the contingency for going on my truck. . It didn't because I bought a used turbo for a great price.



Now with dealing with Chris Anderson, I wonder how come this little cuss can go on and on how everyone he ever bought parts from sucks, and never even get booted... ..... I think he will flame anyone who he comes in contact with. IGNORE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Amianthus]

Kurt, Don't get me wrong.

Don't misunderstand me. I like the turbo. And I am not disappointed in it at all. It gave me power I didn't have before. But it doesn't spool as fast as the 40 did in Muncie. At least that is my impression. Not to mention, it does take some getting used to. But it's not a bad turbo at all. I also want to make clear that this turbo may not be for everyone, and that they may be better off with the PDR 40 in some applications. Or the KSB-1 (that I don't have). Don't be insulted as I have no intention of that at all.



As far as barking it, I would think that barking, if it were a problem, would be more evident on a manual. Well, I have a manual and have never barked it. I think it's a great turbo and super durable. The only thing I have yet to do with it is tow. We'll see how that goes when that happens.

 

[John]

Originally posted by KWIKKURT

Vaughn M,



I believe the Kwikspoolturbo MikeR was using was a Modified Hx40.



I believe Kurt is correct. I have NEVER heard from Mike or any other NW BOMBer stating he has had a B1 turbo on his Ram.

 

[KWIKKURT]

Greg Boardmen,



I was just clarifying the spool up I have experianced with the KSB-1 at high elevations is very impressive.



At the same time I believe at Muncie the Standard B-1 on Larry's Truck won Max HP on Diesel, took first place in two of the sled pulling events and a Close third (2 Feet) in the third sled pull event right behind SledPuller with Twins (Not bad for a Rookie on street tires). Then Jet Pilot took 1st place in the Drags against 77 other trucks. I KNow this sounds like Bragging but I am a little proud of the performance results so far with the B-1 and we are not finished with tweeking.



Amianthus,



No problem I am not taking any of these reports in a negative way... . I use them to give me new challenges to improve on. I agree with you from some reports the B-1 spools slower during low Rpm. Then when you get to Ten psi - Hang On. I also have had many reports that former hx40 customers have as fast or faster spooling with the B-1. It is really hard to tell with the latest versions of Piers Hx40's all reports on them have been very positive. Some day maybe we can have a TURBO SPOOL OFF!

. . The biggest factor in differences in opinon come from the VAST differences in Bombing Levels and Driving styles and Wants of customers... . One will want only Max HP Possible. The next wants the Lowest Egt's while towing. And then don't forget the Guy who wants Instant spooling (At Idle!) and that cool Blower Whine sound!! Right Kat????



For each person they need to decide what they really need now and after future bombing and try to make the best choice.



If you want the B-1 to be faster that is not a problem Call 505-534-0434



I am testing a New configuration of one turbo design that has a BIG compressor and should spool faster than my KwikSpool HX40 12cm2's ... ... . It will be well liked I'm sure. . But will still not out perform the B-1 when it comes to Max HP.



L8tr Kurt

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by KWIKKURT

. . The biggest factor in differences in opinon come from the VAST differences in Bombing Levels and Driving styles and Wants of customers... . One will want only Max HP Possible. The next wants the Lowest Egt's while towing. And then don't forget the Guy who wants Instant spooling (At Idle!) and that cool Blower Whine sound!! Right Kat????



For each person they need to decide what they really need now and after future bombing and try to make the best choice.

That Kwikspool HX40 was the coolest sounding turbo I ever heard. Within a day of installing it I was asked if I had a blower on my truck at redlights. Not to mention the poeple who would drive by slowly and stare with it idling. That was a great turbo for daily driving, just wouldn't hold together when I took it to the track and abused it. It had great bottom end tho, but you could still feeling it choking a tad on the topend (after having the B1). I have been wondering if Piers oiling "fix" would make it last any longer?



The B1 is slower spooling, due to its size. When playing with turbos you gotta decide what you want out of it, and pick which one best one for your intended application.



Really the only time I noticed the B1 was "slower" was when I had to launch it a tad bit harder at the track to get the same times. I am anxious to get my hands on the Kwikspool B1 turbo and see how it does.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by KWIKKURT

Cummins Corvette,



I do also remeber you complaining about your Hy9cm turbo being bad on Lag.

I hope you are kidding... ... C. C. , if you had "Lag" problems with a stock HY turbo... ... . you have some major fueling issues!



I tried a stock HY35, and it spooled like it was driven off the crankshaft a. k. a. MINIMAL LAG.

 

[Jetpilot]

Kurt,



The B-1 was also powering the truck that posted the highest HP at Muncie using drugs



Doug

 

[rubberneck]

I am pretty sure i was one of the first people to have a B1 on the west coast. #3 i believe, i got it from HVAC shortly after they really started hitting the market. I bark it several times each day pounding gears, WHO frieking cares, it holds up great. I drive the living cra* out of it and not a single problem. You can drive it without barking by holding the throttle down just a hair between hard shifts, but sometimes i am not paying attention. Let me ask you this how many B1's have blown up??, How many 40's have blown?? With dd3's EZ and Pmax comp version stacked, it is an absolute chore to even hit 1400 degrees pre turbo. This thing flows way more than what i really need with that combo IMHO. As a matter of fact, i have been wanting to try the kwikspool housing, as i really dont think it will hurt me that much on the top end from what i am hearing. Yes it has more lag than and hx35 or hy35, but the top end will blow your mind. everything in life is a compromise. would i like to have the lag of an hy35 and the top end of the B1?? Heck yes, but that aint reality not yet anyways. Maybe if these variable geometry turbos become reallistic to retro fit. I have driven twin powered trucks, and the top end was a monster, but guess what they have lag also. So, as far as someone buying the bigger turbo and then whining about how it has lag, what did you expect. Then again, one only has to read through the archives to see the real story, whine whine whine.



Kurt, i will be calling you next week. If i may ask now, what is the status on the kwikspool B1 housings?? Are they available or backordered??

 

[JR2]

Well guys it turns out I may not need a turbo after all. For some reason when I went from the Power Edge/EZ combo to the Drag Comp my egt's dropped. With the comp on 5x5 with the peddle to the metal I see a max egt of 1250 degs... . sweet. This seems weird as with the old combo I would see 1500 plus quite often. Nothing else has changed on the truck except the switch out of the boxes. I guess it may be possible that the new comp applies the fuel/timing changes better and that actually helps my egt. The other thing I noticed is that my max boost is down about 5 lbs to 30 psi. What do you think??

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

there is something wrong with the comp. I have an HX 40 and can still see close to the same temps as you. When I had the hy35 on I could see temps in the range of 1600* on level 5x5. Is the pump wire hooked up yet? Does it smoke way way more on level 5x5. It should leave a big black cloud. That is 5x5's signature

 

[Jetpilot]

I would be suspect of the box... . My guess either it is not hooked up correct (no flame intended just an idea) or the box is malfunctioning. I would check all connections (especially the pump wire) and apply dielectric grease. If your temps remain constant I would try another Comp box and see what happens.



Doug

 

[JR2]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the box, the truck has as much or more power than it did before. It leaves a huge cloud on 5x5 and I adjusting the sub levels makes the smoke go away. The fuel wire is hooked to the same little pump wire piercer that the Power Edge was and I am using the same ground. By all accounts nothing has changes except the EGT.

 

[StakeMan]

Something is wrong. With just the Comp on 5x5 and my hy35@32psi boost I could peg the EGT's at 1500 easily. That was with a stock exhaust straight piped. Now with injectors and the Comp the EGT's are .

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak





I hope you are kidding... ... C. C. , if you had "Lag" problems with a stock HY turbo... ... . you have some major fueling issues!



I tried a stock HY35, and it spooled like it was driven off the crankshaft a. k. a. MINIMAL LAG.

I never had a hy-35. A 98 12v comes with an hx-35.





Well, after finishing my lil trip... ... ... ... ... ... I have decided something needs to be changed. At 7000 feet, with a 21' trailer, and heading up a 9% grade my truck would not move after I stopped. Just sat there smoking when I hit the go pedal. I have only seen smoke like that in pics of the mitchel's trucks. I had to put it in 4 low to get moving. Pretty sad I'd say. :{

 

[KWIKKURT]

Originally posted by Jetpilot

Kurt,



The B-1 was also powering the truck that posted the highest HP at Muncie using drugs



Doug

KOOL



Either I need to make it to more of these events or You guys need to call me and inform me of your conquests.....



The KSAT-4 that I just installed (Aimed at the Hx40 Market) Uses Tech that we learned from the KSB-1 Tests and It it pretty D**M Kwik Spoolin... It will build 5 psi just by reving up the Rpm's. .





Last Night I dethroned a 2002 PowerStroke (Chipped,Exhaust, Propaned. . Automatic ETC. . ) that has been outrunning the local street hotrodders and Talking Big about how the little 5. 9L Ctd can not run with a Bombed 7. 3..... Well I think you all know that worked out... . I even let him power launch first... When I hit 4th I passed him... ...



Rubber Neck... ... . Call me on wednesday at the shop. . 505-534-0434... . L8tr KwikerKurt

 

[Cummins Corvette]

I need to take back some of what I said about the b1. As Todd T pointed out in another thread, I need to get everything running right before I make any more judgments of the products on my truck. If anyone needs a turbo, call Kurt! He is a great guy to do business with. So far I don't like the b1, but I'm all by myself on that one. I'll let everyone know how it runs when I get everything fixed. Maybe I'll swap it out for a kwicker trubo sometime.

 

[JR2]

Okay guys so I think there is something wrong with my box. I just got back from trying out a buddys regular Comp box and it gave me back my boost and I got the expected EGT #'s. I tried to call edge and they are gone for the day. I will call tomorrow and get the problem solved. It looks like I am turbo shopping again... .

 

[Cummins Corvette]

My fuel system is fixed. And then some... . wow! I can say some good things about the b1 now. The lag is not that bad, at least with the idle at 950 in N. The total boost is around 52 psi. I haven't taken it past 100 yet because the egt is WAY pegged and other car's rear bumpers come up way to fast. I have it set to defuel more the higher the rpm is, so I think 52 is about it.



The good: it is holding up just fine, lag is not that bad any more, and it sounds very cool.



The bad: egt is :--) .



But that's the only bad thing. Still, I can go almost 100 mph up the parley's canyon summit at 1300 degrees. (7% grade) That gets scary when the rest of traffic is only going 45 to 65. Some dang eclipse pulled in front of me going 50 mph.



The ksb1 is , but not an end-all to egt problems. I may have to try the regular housing.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Cummins Corvette

My fuel system is fixed. And then some... . wow! I can say some good things about the b1 now. The lag is not that bad, at least with the idle at 950 in N. The total boost is around 52 psi. I haven't taken it past 100 yet because the egt is WAY pegged and other car's rear bumpers come up way to fast. I have it set to defuel more the higher the rpm is, so I think 52 is about it.



The good: it is holding up just fine, lag is not that bad any more, and it sounds very cool.



The ksb1 is , but not an end-all to egt problems. I may have to try the regular housing.

If you intend to try the regular housing... . prepare to pick up some addtional lag, but you will see lower tempertures in most cases. Still waiting for my Kwikspool B1 to get here (brand new) the other one Kurt had he wanted to test on his truck... now it seems he doesn't want to remove it for some reason



You don't have the stuff listed in your signature... ... but what airflow improvements do you have? other then the turbo? what air filter and what exhaust?



Also where is the plate now? stock location, or slid forward? Which plate? If your building 52lbs of boost obviously the fuel system is not stock.