Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Why I carry

[BRobertson]

As a former State Trooper in Alaska, and having flown a lot of Wyoming and Idaho law enforcement types in fixed wing aircraft for patrol, surveys, etc. , I would STRONGLY disagree that most rank and file officers are against citizen carry. Just the opposite is true!!!!

Any honest cop will tell you that they spend their whole career reporting crime and NOT preventing it!!!!!!!!!!

Bob

 

[Thunderbolt]

With all due respect, as a member of the law enforcement community and all the credibility that brings with it I am shocked that you would send a message that "... it can't happen to me. " To equate locks on a door to the use of a deadly weapon is just irresponsible!!

Pull out the popcorn boys...

I appreciate your opinion. However, Don't pretend to quote me OR pretend to read my mind. I did not say it can't happen to me. I said your statistics are very flawed.



I also must tell you that the rank and file law enforcement folks I regularly see and work with are not enamored with "conceal and carry" laws. To quote a friend: "It means I will need to draw my weapon more frequently-not good. "

I stand behind the right of Lawful, concealed carry. I would like to think that when I'm in line at the local 'Stop and Rob', that there might be one or two other souls in there that might believe that taking someone else's money for fun and profit is illegal and immoral. It may be fantasy but I think that it would keep me from sticking a gun in some poor girl's ear if I thought someone in line behind me might stick a pistol in my ear.

NOW, Go back over to your Obama shrine and light a Billary candle and sing his praises like a good little citizen.

 

[DPellegrin]

Thunder-bolt,



I have been respectful of you during our disagreement, but you just want to be disagreeable!!



Your politics have blinded your judgement.



I will no longer respond to your racist and offensive comments.



Take a couple of deep breaths; you need it!

 

[Thunderbolt]

Thunder-bolt,



I have been respectful of you during our disagreement, but you just want to be disagreeable!!



Your politics have blinded your judgement.



I will no longer respond to your racist and offensive comments.



Take a couple of deep breaths; you need it!

WHAT? Moderator jump in here if you feel the need.



I must be blind. My politics aside. Show me a racist comment. I take personal offense to that statement. Political correctness be damned. I will not let you call me a racist. This isn't about being disagreeable. I believe what I believe. I made a point based on statistics. Just like you did. My point is Stats can be used to prove anyone's angle. I merely used a different stat to prove a point to you. I'll allow anyone else to respond. My point has been made. Based on the civic stats in your hometown I would say you have a pretty nice place to live. I used to. But since the late '80, jobs have left. They were forced south by the unions and the homes in town have been bought up by absentee landlords who prefer section 8 checks to a working family. With section 8 comes idle spirits. And we all know idle minds gravitate toward mischief. Alcohol shifts to marijuana then to crack. With a crack addiction comes a need to find more and more money to finance one's habit. It's kind of hard to hold a job with a drug habit. Do I need to draw a picture for you? If you are content in your life, I am glad for you. Don't begrudge an otherwise upstanding citizen from defending themselves.

Do a search at 6abc.com about the recent home invasion in Philadelphia where a South Vietnamese immigrant, a former POW from the Vietnam war was beaten to death after watching his wife of 20 yrs. as she was sexually assaulted repeatedly. Ask their son if he is willing to risk being the slow draw.

I invite you to get on a plane and fly to Philly or Newark and I'll pick you up. We'll have a nice meal and then ride into Camden or Patterson or Orange and dismount. You can bring your goodwill and I'll bring my Glock. After you charm the gangsters with your goodwill I'll get us home safely with my Glock.

In the words of those that make a living from those who can't defend themselves, "The defense rests. "

 

[kenny61]

Let me know if you ever find the racist comment. Cause I can't find it anywhere

Also whats the statistic on cops not wanting civillians to carry? Every cop I ever met is pro-gun and anti-criminal. Most cops that find out your into guns will BS for hours about them

 

[Thunderbolt]

Kenny61-



Thanks for having my back.



'Bolt

 

[kenny61]

USMC Thats what we're here for



I didn't want any dangerous little racist comments running around where they could hurt someone. Please let me know if it comes back and I will promptly take action!

 

[BTighe]

i bought my last carry gun from a cop. he was more than ready to help. even showed me where the EVIL hollow point were

 

[BigPapa]

Well, I'll be another to blow the "stats" away.



My family, as far back as anyone can remember, has lived with guns in the house. No one's ever been in law enforcement, just everyday folk. There's never been an accident, nobody's ever been shot, and as far as I know, no ones ever had to use a gun against another human being.



I carry everyday. I have guns in my house. I have an 8 year old boy and a 6 year old girl. One of my son's favorite things is shooting with me or his Pop. He knows exactly how to handle a gun. He knows the rules and he obeys them. He doesn't touch a gun unless me or my father tell him. When I've let my daughter hold a gun, my son instructs her on how to handle it.



Accidents come from lack of education and lack of experience. My son respects a firearm and obeys all the rules. I would never leave a child alone in a house with an accessible firearm, but I know that if my son, or daughter, find a firearm within their reach ANYWHERE, they WILL do the right thing.



There's nothing wrong with a gun, a knife, a ball bat, or a claw hammer. The problem is with the human holding it, whether that is from ignorance of how or what to do with what they're holding or from bad intentions.



There is nothing more inherently dangerous than an automobile to an individual or the people around them. Put someone behind the wheel of that vehicle that is ignorant of how it is to be handled or with bad intentions and you have the most dangerous combination there is. Now try taking that vehicle away from people like DPellegrin and see what kind of response you'll get.



Don't dare try to tell me I can't have what I deem best for protection of myself and my family. Carry of a firearm is a Constitutional RIGHT, driving a vehicle is not, but just try to tell DPelligran he can't have his truck... ...



Scott

 

[kenny61]

I find it sad that the same people who support gun control do not support throwing out illegal immigrants. They say you would never be able to round the all up it would cost too much etc etc etc. Yet they think banning guns will cause them all to immediately disappear off the face of the earth. I can bury my guns in the woods and unearth them 20 years later and they will be fine, Can you do that with an illegal alien? Also in my are we have had more deaths caused by illegal aliens than guns illegal or legal. Where is the outrage. 2 years ago an illegal strangled his girlfriend (highschool student) in the back seat of a car. Nope no outrage

 

[JimKing]

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[BigPapa]

Sorry Jim, I don't click on links that I can't tell what they are or have no description. Little more info please.



Scott

 

[kenny61]

Sorry Jim, I don't click on links that I can't tell what they are or have no description. Little more info please.



Scott

Its a news article

No charges in Safeway shooting By Jon Hutchinson, Staff Reporter







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Investigators say James Orsini had threatened Cottonwood's Jim King with this medieval ax.



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Shooting was ‘justified’ says County Attorney



James King will not be charged with shooting and killing James Keith Orsini.



Orsini, 47, was shot twice in the Safeway parking lot Feb. 22 in what the Yavapai County Attorney's Office concluded was a case of "lawful self-defense. "



The Yavapai County Attorney's Office's decision was delivered to the police department Thursday.













The lawyers had reviewed the case since Cottonwood police finished their investigation.



The conflict, police say, grew out of a case of "road rage," and played out in an area that was highly visible to motorists and shoppers in the south parking lot of the Safeway grocery store off State Route 89A. There were a number of eyewitnesses in the parking lot.



The drivers had been in the two left-turn lanes traveling side by side as they turned from SR 260 onto SR 89A. Sometime during that turn, Orsini's small Jeep pickup apparently bumped or brushed the larger Dodge Ram pickup driven by James King. At that point, Orsini pulled in front of the King vehicle and motioned with his arm to follow. King told police that he thought they would pull over right away, but Orsini did not do so until reaching the Safeway entrance.



The vehicles pulled into the fire lane with Orsini's Jeep in front and King's Dodge behind him.



King reportedly got out of the truck and reached for his wallet to exchange insurance information and lost his footing on the slippery pavement and fell.



That's when Orsini asked, "Do you want a piece of me?" He began to approach King. King, 59, regained his footing as Orsini approached him with what police are describing as a replica or medieval hand ax. King is reported to have warned the man to "get away. " Orsini continued to be aggressive.



King reached into the truck and grabbed his . 45-caliber handgun that was in a holster. As Orsini lunged at King wielding the ax above his head, he was shot in the arm and in the chest, fell to the ground and died shortly afterward.



Orsini fell just outside the driver's side door of King's truck.



The report says that Orsini was in the act of committing a dangerous aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and King shot the man to protect his own life.



Further, the Yavapai Medical Examiner's report states that Orsini had his arm raised and was leaning forward when he was shot, consistent with witness statements.



Toxicology tests found marijuana in Orsini's system at the time of the shooting.



Police spokesman Sgt. Gary Eisenga said Orsini does not have a recent record for other than a traffic offense. He was charged in 1999 with criminal damage.



James King is licensed to carry a concealed weapon, but police say the weapon was not concealed at the time.



Deadly physical force is justified according to Arizona Revised Statutes when "a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force. "

 

[JimKing]

The last post

So those that think it can't or won't happen to them, I wish you well. There are a thousand other stories just like this in the US every day.

 

[AMink]

The FBI says that if you keep a gun in your home, it is (5) times more likely for that gun to kill or injure you or a family member than it is for that gun to be used in some lawful act.

If I do math correctly and I understand what the FBI is saying here, my family and I should be dead hundreds of times over. For all the times I've used my firearms legally, times 5, yep. Hundreds, maybe thousands of times. Most of my friends should be dead or dying too.



As to the police and CCW. Most rank and file support it. It's the upper levels that don't support it. I think that is more political than personal.

 

[kenny61]

As to the police and CCW. Most rank and file support it. It's the upper levels that don't support it. I think that is more political than personal

It is the larger city dept's where the commisioner or chief will say they dont support it, It is very rare that any other size dept will have a negative stance. So yes I agree that it is political

 

[crobertson1]

Many people think Ted Nugent is a nut. To each his own. In this video, you will evertything he says, makes perfect sense.





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BTW, the reasons I carry can be found in post 1.

 

[BILLUA]

I would STRONGLY disagree that most rank and file officers are against citizen carry. Just the opposite is true!!!!



Bob

Same is true in Las Vegas. Metro Cops have no problem with citizens with CCW, in fact THEY were the ones that issued mine... They know I have had a fbi background check, and been found proficient in the use of my weapons...



Bob do you know Mike H?



Cheers,



Bill

 

[kenny61]

tED nUGENT PROBABLY HAS MORE SENSE THAN ALL OF cONGRESS COMBINED!!!

 

[duckcarvr]

I was with the local sheriff dept for 21 years and had no problem with concealed carry. every person i contacted with a ccw told me they had a firearm on them at the time of contact. twice in my career two guys with a ccw permit came to back me when the persons i was contacting had fireams. did it change the out come, i don't know but glad they were there. Dpellegrin that FBI stat you quoted was old before i left the dept in 1991. hard to believe that would remain constant for 20 + YEARS. THE NRA said that firearms were used almost 2 million times in o6 or 07 to intimidate,threaten or shoot to protect family,life or property. a more liberal group said 1. 6 million. in my lifetime i'v had to twice defend my home, one because i was a cop the other was a burgler in my home. i do not believe in unlicenced carry i want that back ground when they buy a gun or apply for a licence. there are too many bad guys out there. robert