Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Why I carry

[AABEN]

Thunderboat I thank you are right. I did not see any thing wrong with what you said! That person has miss read what you was trying to tell him. BUT I bet you can not make him to see it are way!

 

[fest3er]

I was with the local sheriff dept for 21 years and had no problem with concealed carry. every person i contacted with a ccw told me they had a firearm on them at the time of contact. twice in my career two guys with a ccw permit came to back me when the persons i was contacting had fireams. did it change the out come, i don't know but glad they were there. Dpellegrin that FBI stat you quoted was old before i left the dept in 1991. hard to believe that would remain constant for 20 + YEARS. THE NRA said that firearms were used almost 2 million times in o6 or 07 to intimidate,threaten or shoot to protect family,life or property. a more liberal group said 1. 6 million. in my lifetime i'v had to twice defend my home, one because i was a cop the other was a burgler in my home. i do not believe in unlicenced carry i want that back ground when they buy a gun or apply for a licence. there are too many bad guys out there. robert

Robert,



What you say is fair and reasonable. However, I must take issue with your second-to-last statement, "... want that back ground when they buy a gun or apply for a licence. " You want it. But, constitutionally, you cannot have it. The second amendment reads, very clearly and plainly, "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "



Any law that purports to prevent me from keeping and bearing any arms I should choose until I have undergone a review of my social and civic standing--a background check or [until the government has granted me license clearly and thoroughly runs afoul of the clause, "... shall not be infringed. " No fair and reasonable person who commands an ordinary grasp of English can possibly interpret that clause to mean anything else. No fair and reasonable person can honestly infer any other meaning of those words. No fair and reasonable person can hope to discover valid implications of that clause. It means exactly what the words say and nothing else.



There is but one recourse for those who wish to interfere with the right to keep and bear arms; that course involves the amending process documented in the Constitution. If you want to limit a person's right to keep and bear arms for any reason or for any period of time, you must amend the Constitution and change the wording and meaning of the Second Amendment. Those who strive to circumvent the Constitution are traitors to the Constitution, to the republic and to us, the people.



Please note that, in civil society, the absolute right to keep and bear arms is accompanied by the absolute responsibility to use those arms proficiently and wisely. Socially and civilly, anyone can be punished for inappropriate, negligent, careless or improper use of arms. But constitutionally, no one can ever be prevented from, nor punished for, keeping and bearing arms.

 

[JTruelove]

Some may have already seen this, but here it goes.





A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about

20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and

exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. >From 1915 to 1917, 1. 5 million

Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,

several million people who were unable to defend themselves were

rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million

political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and

exterminated

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan

Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000

Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million

educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and

exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because

of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new

law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own

Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million

dollars. The first year results are now in:



List of 7 items:



Australia-wide, homicides are up 3. 2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8. 6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300

percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the

criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!



While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed

robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12

months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.



There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the

ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety

has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in

successfully ridding Australian society of guns The Australian experience

and the other historical facts above prove it.



You won't see this datum on the US evening news, or hear politicians

disseminating this information.



Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,

gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.



Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!



The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of

this history lesson.



With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.



During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew

most Americans were ARMED!



If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to

all of your friends.



The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.

The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important

than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.



As John Steinbeck once said:



1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just

kill you.



2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.



3. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.



4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.



5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter

recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do

you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a 46. '



6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.



7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on

his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you

expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have

brought my rifle. '



8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!



But wait, there's more!



I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. I said

Idid. She said 'Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!' To which I said,

'Of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets!' She then asked,

'Are you that afraid of someone evil coming into your house?' My

reply was, 'No, not at all. I am not afraid of the house catching fire

either but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded too. '

To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is like

having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.



I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward.

_____________________________________________________________

 

[kenny61]

YouTube - Criminals For Gun Control part 1 Home Invasion



YouTube - Criminals For Gun Control Part 2 - Carjacking





:-laf:-laf:-laf

 

[AMink]

That is good stuff, Kenny! What is so sad is that it is painfully obvious that bad guys don't like good guys to have guns, yet our gubment doesn't like us to have them either. Does that make them the bad guys? I think it does...

 

[crobertson1]

Here is an example of why I carry. It's the unforseen events that often times are not planned for, because sometimes things happen that you don't think ever would (little satirical humor):



FOXNews.com - Police Tape: Canada Bus Killer Ate Victim's Flesh - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News



Greyhound Bus Decapitation - Mahalo



If a passenger had been carrying, the monster could have been dispatched.

 

[duckcarvr]

This terrorist incident in India is horrific. First let me say our thoughts and prayers go out to the friends and familys of the victims. It could just as well happened here. A few armed men might have prevented some of the carnage. an estimated 500 dead or wounded in just a few hours. if they had picked different targets like a base ball stadium with more people in a confined space it could have been much worse. This is a very good argument for concealed carry. The police and military are in uniform for the most part and easily identifable, they can be taken out first. The concealed carry is a surprise. these terrorists do not value life so there is just one way to stop them.

 

[.44 mag]

I'm a firm believer in the right to defend oneself and their loved ones. My state makes firearm ownership extremely difficult, and in the county that I live CCW permits are not available to the common citizen. Crime has gone rampant and the criminals know that there will be little resistance to their intimidation. It's unfortunate what this area has become. We have had family here for over a hundred years now, it's sad that I'm considering the need to move my family away from here to protect my wife and young boy. It really pisses me off that I'm the "bad guy" if I chose to take measure to protect my family. I have a crystal clear background and nothing to hide that would prohibit me from legally obtaining a CCW permit in a state that openly issues them. I have a Utah non-resident license that covers me in all the states I routinely travel to, yet my home state considers me not important enough to be granted the right of self defense.



The criminals don't care about laws and restrictions, heck they relish them in making their actions more successful. It's the honest, law-abiding folks who are constantly hurt by this nonsense of not granting permits.

 

[B.G. Smith]

Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For

 

[.44 mag]

I've seen that video clip before. I can't begin to say how sorry I feel for that woman and her inability to lawfully defend her family in their time of need. It is true that these incidents are isolated, but one never knows when one will occur. It may be in a mall, at a school, walking down the street in a suburban neighborhood, who knows. It's all just the luck of the draw and of no fault of your own when some goblin decides to attack.



What right do these legislators and officials have to regulate who is worthy of protecting themselves from such acts? How can they deem one type of weapon illegal to posses over another? None of this makes a bit of sense to me. The world would be a far better place with less regulation of such things.

 

[duckcarvr]

I do not know if this post is correect. Does any one have knowledge? I could not find it on snopes o verify i. A little long.



You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.

Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.

At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.



One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder

brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.



In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he

tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.



"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.



"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven. "



The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper.

Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die. " The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.



Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.



A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.



The judge sentences you to life in prison.



This case really happened.



On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.



How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?



It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.



Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.



Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the street s shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.



The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle. )



Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.



For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later,



Sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens.



During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.



Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands. "



All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection tr ashed or stolen by burglars.



When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn' t were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.



How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.



Sound familiar?



WAKE UP AMERICA , THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.



". . it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,

tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. . "



--Samuel Adams



If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know.

 

[AMink]

That so many can't see that confiscation like that CAN happen here makes me so angry that I can't find words to describe it. It is the "put the frog in cold water and turn up the heat" theory of taking our gun rights away. What is really sad is that so many gun owners think their "good" gun can't be taken away. Ask the Brits, the Aussies, or the Canadians. It can, and does, happen. Wake up, people.

 

[crobertson1]

I assume everyone here knows about the gun confiscation after Katrina. For those who don't, here you go:



YouTube - The Great New Orleans Gun Grab



YouTube - NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina



YouTube - Katrina forceful evictions and rights violations

 

[Flying_gage]

Here is a perspective from the street , albeit a different view. I have been a paramedic now for 16 years. I have worked in a city environment, (South Subs of Chicago as in Harvey, Dalton, Phoenix etc... For those who don't know, these areas are as rough as any). I have worked in rural areas, worked as a medic in ER's. I even spent 2 years transporting the sickest of the sick in a helicopter, often times to trauma centers for surgery after traumatic accidents.

Know how many accidental shootings I have witnessed or had the occasion to treat?

0

Just guessing here, but I have probably seen thousands of patients by this point in my career... .

I hate statistics as they make my life and experiences seem so trivial.

For the gentleman in Minnesota. My family lives up around Brainerd. I answered the door and found myself being confronted by an angry drunk trying to force his way into the house. Not a great situation.

Most people I met and knew up there had guns as the local sheriff (Crow Wing County) was woefully understaffed and couldn't be at your door in much less than 10-15 mins. Not sure where you live in Minnesota but your experiences don't jive with any of mine, whether about Minnesota or the statistics you seem to hold so close to your chest. One of us is obviously deluded.

 

[Moe]

I carry all the time because I'm an older man who still works. My company seems to put me up in some real trashy motels because it's cheap. In my travels I have never had to show my weapon and would only do so as a last resort. I woke up yesterday and left my room to find two deputies in the hallway. There had been a stabbing during a robbery and I hadn't even heard it I can be glad I wasn't in on it, but I am prepared all the time. NRA forever, Moe

 

[PGAdams]

I didn't respond to your post immediately because I thought there would surely be some young person full of spit and vinegar who would defend me. But like in real life, you can't always depend on that happening. I don't know how it is in Minnesota but here where I live I read in the news and see on television every day where someone is mugged in the local department store parking lot or someone was lurking near their driveway when they returned home and they were robbed and beaten or even killed. Right now there are people in this area who are ringing door bells and telling the occupants that they are having trouble delivering a package and when the door is opened they forcefully enter and rob the homeowner. And another group is gaining entrance to homes by saying they are from FEMA (we recently had a hurricane) and the end result is the same. Often some of these people are cought and taken to the jail out on the highway, unfortunately they are usually back on the street before the arresting officer has finished the paperwork on the case. A few years back a nut drove his truck through the wall of a restaurant here in Texas, got out and systematically executed about 26 people because no one was armed. Last month, my wife and I were getting ready for a trip across a few states, a man I know who has been is law enforcement his entire adult life ( he is in his 60s now) asked me if I had a gun and that if I didn't he would loan me one, he said he would not get out on the highway without one. I don't carry because I want to harm someone, rather I carry to keep someone from harming me or my family. Have a nice day. bg

I'm not a young person, i'll defend your comments.

I am originally from Texas, and was working in Austin at the time the crazy person shot up the Libbey's in Waco.

A few of the customers, maybe one lady said, it wouldn't have happened or at least not to the point it did, had she had her concealed weapon that was in her car.

Bad outcome, just by taking her parents out to lunch at the cafeteria. I don't recall the complete story, but I believe she lost both of her parents that day.

Recently in Atlanta, a homeowner went outside to see who was stealing from them. He got shot at, his wife came out and opened fire with an AK-47. They haven't found the criminals but, I'll bet they were waiting at the clothing store to get new un-soiled clothes.

 

[RHestand]

My close call with a motorcycle-jacking experienceAs in like car-jacking)

In Oct. 1996, my wife and I were on our way back to CA on our brand new, special order, full dress, 1997 Harley Davidson Electra Glide Classic.

After waiting over 9 months for it to be built, we flew into York, PA, and picked it up at the HD York factory, and started our long awaited adventure. A three week leisurely ride home.

In preperation for this trip, I had previously bought a very small, 5 shot 22 magnum pistol to carry in my jacket pocket, for a "just in case" situation.

We had made it as far as Jackson, TN. With darkness and possible rain coming in, we got a motel, and brought our stuff in.

We needed a few things, so I jumped on my MC and made a run to the local convience store. After parking my MC on the far side of the parking lot, across from the store, I walked over and opened the door and two husky looking guys walked out, each carrying big bottles of malt liquor. (It was Fri. night. )

When I came out of the store, these same two guys were standing next to and admiring my MC.

I said hello, etc. and they said how they really liked my MC etc. I could tell they were high on something.

I put my stuff in the saddle bags, then put my hands in my jacket pockets and put the MC between them and me.

Then one of them said to me "Whats an old man like you doing with a nice MC like this?" Then the other one said "We been talking, we decided we want take your bike for a little ride. "

I knew something like this was coming, and I had a very firm grip on my pistol in my jacket pocket. Looking at them eye to eye I said "I'm only giving you punks one warning, if you don't leave me alone and get out of here, you are going to be hurt really bad. I just stood and watched.

After doing a little laughing about about "the old man being scared," shucking and jiving with each other, I guess they decided the fun was over. I watched them very closely as they got into their car and left.

On the way back to the motel, I realized what an adrenallyn state I was in. I was shaking like I was freezing cold.

I was so very glad I had that pistol with me. To this day, a lesson very well learned!

Ray

 

[crobertson1]

I'm not a young person, i'll defend your comments.

I am originally from Texas, and was working in Austin at the time the crazy person shot up the Libbey's in Waco.

A few of the customers, maybe one lady said, it wouldn't have happened or at least not to the point it did, had she had her concealed weapon that was in her car.

Bad outcome, just by taking her parents out to lunch at the cafeteria. I don't recall the complete story, but I believe she lost both of her parents that day.

Recently in Atlanta, a homeowner went outside to see who was stealing from them. He got shot at, his wife came out and opened fire with an AK-47. They haven't found the criminals but, I'll bet they were waiting at the clothing store to get new un-soiled clothes.

This is the lady who you refer to. She's now speaking for us!



Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For

 

[Troubleshooter]

I am originally from Texas, and was working in Austin at the time the crazy person shot up the Libbey's in Waco.

A few of the customers, maybe one lady said, it wouldn't have happened or at least not to the point it did, had she had her concealed weapon that was in her car.

Bad outcome, just by taking her parents out to lunch at the cafeteria. I don't recall the complete story, but I believe she lost both of her parents that day.

Actually, that is the incident that Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp (the lady in the video) is talking about. It occurred at Luby's Cafeteria (not "Libbey's") in Killeen (not Waco). I remember, because I was stationed at Ft Hood at the time and was manning our unit's operations center when we received the notification.



This incident was the catalyst for finally getting a CHL law passed in Texas; then-Gov Anne Richards #@$%! refused to sign it, but when she lost the next election to George W. Bush he sure did!

 

[PGAdams]

crobertson1 - thanks for providing the video link.



Troubleshooter - thanks for the corrections and clarifications, obviously my memory is fading after this many years.



The unfortunate event memories last a lifetime and surfaces everytime something as senseless as that occurs,,

OR

The topic about carrying, defending yourself/family is discussed.



Pete Adams

Kennesaw, GA



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