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[TX Gooseneck]

Hey TX, does your TV still have tubes?

:-laf



Huskerman

As a matter of fact

LOL

One does. I have a Tahoe Z71 with electronic 4wd that causes me fits. I NEED A SHIFTER!

 

[midlife crisis]

electronic = fail. I'm a firm believer in floor shifters.



As far as these things running forever, they may, but it's going to cost you. I've spent over $15,000 on this truck this year (rebuilt t-56, clutch, NEW t-56 because dealer rebuild failed at 16k, new exhaust manifold because the factory piece cracked, new turbo - cracked also, injector failure - replaced all 6, cased new turbo - had to have rebuilt, new transfer pump, 7 new tires, airbags, HD class V hitch, and a quad box. ) The upgrades were because of factory pieces failing. I feel like I am slowly building a tank. Oh yeah, and my clutch that was replaced with the transmission is on the way out. But, I do have almost 200k on this truck, pulling 30k+ with regularity. I really do love this truck and when I think about trading it in, I can't bring myself to do it.

I'm a little confused by your post.

You said electronics equals failure, and your belief in floor shifters.

Okay, I take to mean transfer cases and transmissions. Except for the possibility of an "electrical"injector issue, you didnt list any electrical failures. You did list a bunch of high dollar "floor shifter" issues (clutchs, rebuilt and replaced units etc etc. )

Why does electronics equal failure?

 

[TX Gooseneck]

I'm a little confused by your post.

You said electronics equals failure, and your belief in floor shifters.

Okay, I take to mean transfer cases and transmissions. Except for the possibility of an "electrical"injector issue, you didnt list any electrical failures. You did list a bunch of high dollar "floor shifter" issues (clutchs, rebuilt and replaced units etc etc. )

Why does electronics equal failure?

Sorry, I was making two different points in my post - 1) these trucks are expense to maintain/repair (electric, mechanical, etc) 2) I'm not a big fan of all things electric - not necessarily just auto shifters, but the auto manufactures putting electronics and computers on everything. I have a tahoe that has electronic 4wd that causes me headaches, had the same with an explorer. As far as electric stuff on my dodge, the injector goofed up on me, replaced my ignition, my cd player loves the taste of my CD's and won't give them back. Either way, stuff breaks and it is expensive to replace. My next dodge will have an auto and a ton of electric toys - but a floor shifter for the 4wd system



Also, electronics don't always mean failures but almost always means more complicated, more difficult to troubleshoot, etc. Which can translate to more cost/headaches/frustrations.

 

[4xquadrod]

Well, I really enjoy my truck, and other then an early recall deal in a transmission line, the truck has been trouble free. (Other then Bombing issues which I caused) The electronic shift has worked flawless for me in the past 3 years (knock on wood) I like it. I am extremely thankful that I haven't had the problems some of you have faced.

 

[dieselvet]

Hummm, what to do? Spend 40-50k for a new Megacab w/a tiny (short) bed and too many electronics or keep my paid off 2002 w/a long bed, 140K of trouble free miles and 19mpg (4x4).



Not much of a decision at least for me? At least until the long beds debut.

 

[MFalkinham]

I don't understand the bias that some have against electronic equipment in vehicles. Yes, electronics can be more complicated to troubleshoot when problems occur, but the advantage of using an electronic system (when properly engineered and installed) is that problems happen less often than with mechanical systems. An electronic circuit board or sensor has no moving parts to wear, jam or go out of adjustment. Yes, they can be "zapped" by accident, but typically if an electronic component works for the first day of it's life it will work for throughout the service life of the vehicle it's in. Out-of-box failures are the most common failure I've seen.

For example, my daily commuter is an 8 year old Lincoln with every electronic option that was available. In 125,000 miles of service I've not had one problem with any of the electrical components on the car, and overall it's been the most reliable car I've ever owned. Now, some of the worst vehicles I've owned were stripped down cars with roll-up windows, manual locks and carburetors. Sure I could diagnose and fix their problems easier, but it seemed like I was ALWAYS fixing something.

To each his own, but my experience with modern electronics has been positive , including those installed in my 3rd Gen.

 

[jnelson]

Im at 153,650 miles in just 1 year 7 months. I had 2 injectors replaced at 70,000 miles and have replaced 2 u-joints. Other than that its been the best truck ive owned to date.