xcellerator hot version installed

[mgoncalves]

The numbers you're getting sound like they're already the corrected version. Pay attention to the computer at PFI, it is a mini weather station. The corrected numbers are what you would have theoretically on a perfect day at sea level. The correction factor's around here seem to be a bit off for our trucks. I tried bringing this up a couple of years ago when we started going to PFI, but nobody wanted to hear that our trucks weren't making more power than trucks with identical mods at sea level.



I am not trying to take away from your results at all. I'm just curious what kind of power your combo makes here, in Colorado.

 

[moolie]

i got 3 chips and i don't know about the productivity of them all though i know the programmer stays and whethere the six gun and speedloader depends on what it gives me above and beyond. I can't turn it all the way up so there is a bit of wasted power there. I can run the six gun on 3 all day every day and the program on extreme and it's fine, no codes. I will try to take it to 4 and run it for a week or so and then 5 and see. I mean i was able to run it on six and it rocked for a couple days and it was just unreal. I don't always run it there of course but i did for a while because i had a friend up from az with a tst box who was visiting so i was showing off a bit i guess. Just a few burnouts and some 20 lbs boost launches you know fun stuff but i bet it was like a good 30 minutes of hard driving on it. Then the next day i put it on six and do a 20 lbs boost launch with the power break smokin and threw the code first thing it was a little disappointing.

i'm not sure on the propane or nitro i'm not sure which to get. I was leaning to nitro but i'm not sure which is the best route i hear something different from everyone. I could use the water meth though this thing gets hot, need twins badly, manifold too but gotta wait for twins for that.

 

[moolie]

i'm not sure about whether i'm getting corrected numbers or not i hope i am but if they aren't then i wanna make sure and get the right ones. I'll tell the guys there and see what they say or if they give me another set of figures. Go here and look at the sheet near the bottom http://home.comcast.net/~moolie19/CUMMINSINCOLORADO.html





that's the runs from pfi. I know it is consistant to redline motorsports which were some of the runs near the top of that page. I think the max hp reading between the 2 machines is 9 hp.

532 on pfi

541 on redline.



So they are fairly close. I'd like to get down at the sea level and check it out. If i get away anywhere i'll be sure and do it. The main purpose of my dynoing though is just to gauge the increase of hp. This number should be correct no matter what. I have the base runs from before even if the correction is not 100% i mean it'll still be the same correction factor when i have the programmer installed. I am mainly looking at the overall increase of hp and torque on the same dyno. I told the owner of ppe that i would be sure and post the results and tell everyone the results if I liked the program and I love it. So i'm trying to keep my end of the deal up. I had the dyno the next day but u know how that went... ... ... ... ... ... ..... so now finally i will have the after results and then an overall better idea of the performance level that the programmer makes. I just hope that they can get it all together by tomorrow afternoon. I'll video tape it and i'll call the necessary locals to get them to swing by if they can. Witnessess are always good to have.

 

[mgoncalves]

I'll bet a sixer those are corrected numbers you've got. I'll put up another sixer that the uncorrected numbers are somehere close to 100 horse lower (The full power runs).



We came real close to getting a real good dyno comparison here with JRandol's truck, but he sold it before he could dyno in Indiana. His truck was over 500 (corrected) at PFI, and at the one in Denver. Almost identical numbers between the two dyno's, but they are at the same alttitude. I was hoping to see what Jeff's corrected numbers would be closer to sea level (I think he's around 500' now). With what was on his truck, he "shouldn't" have been putting up the numbers he had here.



My own truck's background is this.

Stock, uncorrected= 203, corrected= 243

with comp, uncorrected= 275, corrected= 340

with drag comp - - - - - - - -, corrected= 350



I dynoed once more since then, with comp, injectors, and horribly slipping clutch = 420 corrected. No way it should've been that high.



As you can see, the higher power you have, the farther out of wack the correction is.



Moolie,

I'm not trying to rain on your parade here. I like the approach you're taking with the comparison's. That's why I am curious what your uncorrected numbers are. I have a few friends in the area that are waiting to see how all the new boxes are going to shake out before they buy. It's easier for me to tell them what to expect with the uncorrected power numbers. If you don't want to post them, please pm them to me. I really would like to know for my own evil reasons.



Thanks

Matt

 

[Gypsyman]

What kind of egt's have you been seeing during all of this?

 

[mgoncalves]

Hey, just noticed on the bottom of your PFI sheet.



SAE 1. 15



That is the correction factor. In other words, your uncorrected number would be 15% lower. That is a pretty hefty correction factor for a turbo diesel.



Edit: I'm wrong, it's late , 1. 15 means they added 15% to your uncorrected power to bring you to a corrected 531.

 

[moolie]

i was looking athe uncorrected numbers vs corrected and it seems like for every 250 you take off around 30 to 40 give or take so if a guy had 750 he might only show 650 in iowa or wherever is that what u are saying? Oh i meant to ask, u upgraded a box and it only gave you 10 hp more. I'm nt familiar with the drag box so i apoligize if i seem silly with this question? I know at ats the dyno was lower they said it was all factored in right at sea level. I had a turbo issue at the time it was bad news with the original killerb2 wheel. They had said that it was around 450 dead on accurate numbers with the elevation and everything. I was to go back there but they have been moving and i don't have a printout of their run and it's an hour away. i'll be there on the day of the grand opening though. hopefully with the 300 hp nitro bottle installed. They were on the mustang there so i don't know each one is different but the increases in power should remain accurate as long as you use the same machine and have the readings from before and after. kinda like the watch is ten minutes fast but it still takes 10 minutes. man this is really starting to confuse me now. I dont know i just show up hook it up and then watch them roll and hope for lots of smoke and big numbers on the screen. Anything over that seems to make me struggle... ..... lol if nobody has done it on here yet i'll end up in nevada by the spring time i hope and i'll go there and run on a dynojet and put up what i get. That's a couple of months away though.

 

[moolie]

ok so on my sheet tomorrow make sure that the correction factor is sae 1. 15 so that it's consistant with the overall big picture of apples to apples correct. Now with the ats dyno they said 450 with elevation a lot lower but if i take the reading of 532 and i take off the 15% for correction then what i have is a number of 452 which is pretty damn close to what they said. Ok I see i need to look at all of the sheets and see if i can find this sae rating . what does it stand for exactly

 

[moolie]

ok so here is a question then at this elevation the truck has 452 lets say and at sea level in perfect conditions it would produce 532 is that correct. Now my question is about smoke output. i thought about it and i couldn't say for sure what is correct. If a truck smokes x amount at the elevation of 5000 feet where the air is thinner would that mean when a guy went to sea level it would prouduce less smoke since there is more air? Or does it mean that the truck is only producing 452 and that when it got to sea level it would produce more smoke because it's actually producing more hp. I mean you add on the high elevation correction so does that mean the engine is actually more productive when u hit sea level or is it working the same with less resources (air). I don't know if you got that or not i'm kind of confusing myself trying to type it. If you understand what i'm simply asking is that will it smoke more or less at different elevations.

 

[LaserBob]

Whew... ... ... ... ...



Call me Matt. Tell me when you are going to PFI. I may be able to come over today.



LaserBob

 

[mgoncalves]

You will smoke less, and have more power at sea level. The question is how much more power. I don't believe the SAE correction works for a turbo diesel.



Wish I could come over to PFI and check it out today, but I'm just about to head for the dentist.



Matt

 

[moolie]

dyno nightmare

well we got there and it was running it took them a bit we got on it and ran it right away and something broke right away the fuse poped and the brake stuck on. WE replaced that fuse and it did it again. It even shocked the guy holding the controller i was thankful i didn't get a surge of electricity on my vehicle period. So I't s down and out again until saturday. I was able to get some runs with the brake on for some of the time. I don't know what has happened but it's a losing battle. Bob knows what we are dealing with a lot better then i do. I haven't got a clue to what was the cause or what it did exactly the numbers were all significantly lower i mean big time. I said right away there was something not right. Sure enough the middle of the second run they find out the fuse issue. So replace it and take off the brake only to have it blown the very next run. Sadly enough the highlight was watching 2 punks run on the dyno wheel enabling a total of . 52 horses and i'm not sure how much torque they put out. Either way another day of no results at least laser bob was there and he's a straight shooter and he saw the jumbled mess that was created. I don't know what's gonna happen if it's fixed sat i'll go again and be prepared to show paperwork and or whatever else but i cannot have the machine working inconsistant to what the normal operatiing parameters should be. i mean with the fuse blown and the brake on the wheel for part of the run, we didn't know how long, it still got 520 i sould be killing that but i'll have to live to fight another day. I still love the programmer maybe someone else will have a better chance of getting results posted before me.

 

[jcarey]

That programmer is sure tough on dynos... :-laf

 

[LaserBob]

Moolie is going to start thinking they are out to get him.



LaserBob

 

[sick_ram]

what up moolie, well I am about to put in my order for the excellerater. What do you think of it is it worth it. Does it work well with your other chips.

 

[moolie]

i can honestly say that i have no clue as to how much actual true hp a guy gets from the programmer. I do know that the six gun speedloader combo is not a chip a lot of folks like but it seemed to work good on my vehicle and i have no complaints about it. I know i have other mods done too but the truck is fast. Now i can honestly say that the xcellerator is way more intense then the banks package. I mean way more. I wish i could get the figures so i had something factual to compare but i see that the dyno gods aren't trying to have that happen. I hope to know more on saturday when they get the new box from dynojet or whatever they have to get. I will run it stock first though and compare that to my stock numbers from before. It seemed like the stock run we did was way off too. I mean it was like we had some good smoke going on and it was only 520 i don't know how long or not the brake was on. I know that they ran it after that on stock like i said the numbers were all crazy again 460 with no program or chip of any sort. No way that's right. If it works with the other chips i have i can say that i believe it does because even though the dyno was all out of whack the numbers still were going up i mean it was like 480 then 520 and so on these numbers of course are just figures and not actualy numbers. I took off the six gun and then programmed it to extreme, then wen tback and installed the banks and let it learn the transmission and activated the speedloader. This is the opposite of how i did it before. I just programmed it the first time with the six gun stuff already there. Now after i reversed it and put the six gun second it was pretty much a totally different vehicle. I don't know which way is better. It was like i had to floor it and i would't get any takeoff until the transmission downshifted then it was like damn see u later. The way i had it before the engine was very responsive with no lag at all. The closest thing to a gas motor is how i compare it. It is real responsive no lag really other then the usually. So i'm gonna keep messing around until i get a certain way that i like it i might deactivate the speedloader and see what it does. I would say this programmer is bad to the bone dude. the guy joe is a good dude and i asked him how does it rate with the tst box. He said similar, very similar but a little more responsive and lower egts. I gave this guy with the tst box a ride and he couldn't believe how quick it was. I guess tst needs the edge too though in order to really be right. If you get it and you don't think that it's giving u what u need he'll take it back. I wasn't sure about getting it at all but i can say that after it was installed for 2 days and i called him my first words were "well there isn't any way i'm sending this thing back, this thing is sick and wrong" so u see i mean if are like i was. i am the biggest skeptic on the planet. I think everyone is lying all the time basically. Don't watch the news and their lies anymore. I assumed the numbers were higher and that the guy was blowing smoke up my ... ... ... ... The guy was just like laughing at me the whole time i was telling him i want my money back guarantee in writing, didn't even hesitate a second and then said it's a deal. He gave me a prototype lower price because the actual programmer isn't fully closed around the lcd there is a 1/2 gap that runs around it so he knocked off a couple hundo. Great for me i don't care what the damn box looks like as long as the software is there. I can honestly say it's night and day. Not even close i wouldn't give it back ever they'd have to pry it from the dead hand. when u get it installed you are gonna be like damn this thing is bad ***... ... ... . i guarantee it.

 

[Digger]

Wow!!!!!!!

 

[moolie]

ok so the guys at pfi are gonna get a brand new computer tomorrow for the dyno and then they are going to run on it a few times with a car there. Then we are gonna try this thing one last time I'm getting sick and tired of being totally bummed out when i should be drooling. I used to love going to the dyno but after the last month and my ridiculous string of unlucky incidents (which by the way an established author couldn't have compiled a more unfortunate scenario) i'm deciding this is it i either get some numbers today and go get them posted or i'm not going back i'll by another one of those damn g tech things and mess with that

 

[JSHAW]

My eyeballs just fell out! :--)

 

[moolie]

ok so i went over there around 600 and they were still messing with it so therefore i think that it should be all good to go for monday i've been pushing it and this time i didn't so i will be sure to make it monday and see what we can do