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[nascar mark]

Experimental POD's came in today. Bill (BCaldwell) helped me out by running me around and then it was time to install them bad boys at the shop and set up pump as the idle dropped some, so after that it was off for alittle drive. First thing I noticed was I need a new boost gauge BURIED my 50 psi boost gauge. That needle hit the post and just about bent.

Drove back to the shop with the news and a big smile. Piers said what are you waiting for ?????? Pull off that PDR HX35 and get a PDR HX40/wg 16 on. Oo. Oo.

Don't have to ask me twice. Put it on and modified a 4" down pipe to fit. Will finish it off tomorrow. Can't wait till the turbo breaks in. Oo. Oo. Oo.

 

[farmall]

First thing I noticed was I need a new boost gauge BURIED my 50 psi boost gauge. That needle hit the post and just about bent.

Let me start off by saying :--) That is great to hear you are getting that kind of boost. I can only imagine the horsepower now. You didn't happen to put on a new headgasket the other day why you had the engine out did you? If not, I am sure you will be needing one soon Good luck on everything. Bill

 

[Mgrant]

My, my, my! Congradulations! Who would have ever thought anyone could get 50 psi out of a VE pump. Are you sure you want to put that p-pump motor in now?



Mike

 

[Braveair78]

That must've been the big dark cloud that I spotted up towards the northwest.

 

[JFitzgerald]

Originally posted by Braveair

That must've been the big dark cloud that I spotted up towards the northwest.

It's awful dark around here today, must have drifted over here..... :-laf



WOW. Will these experimental injectors be available to the general public?

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Mark, maybe you and Piers need to keep working together for a while before you change motors, you guys are re-writing the books for the 1st gen folks, keep us informed.



Jim

 

[AlK]

Mark,

Way to go!! I knew there was a reason why I kept putting off moving up to the POD's. Hopefully, these new x-rated POD injectors will work out and then the first gen guys will really

---

Al

 

[BCaldwell]

Sorry I couldn't stay around for the check ride. Sounds like real big hp gain commin on Mark Oo. Bill

 

[NeedMoPower]

Mark, maybe you and Piers need to keep working together for a while before you change motors, you guys are re-writing the books for the 1st gen folks, keep us informed.

More than one person has told me that John Russin has dynoed 370+HP with a 1st gen. When I called him to pick his brain, he had said his pumps were turning 4000 RPM and flowing well over 350 cc's.

 

[nascar mark]

Originally posted by NeedMoPower

More than one person has told me that John Russin has dynoed 370+HP with a 1st gen. When I called him to pick his brain, he had said his pumps were turning 4000 RPM and flowing well over 350 cc's.

Sounds good but wheres the proof. Wouldn't be one of the guys with a p7100 pump in a 1st gen out there would it and if not how come he isn't a diesel member on one of the 4 major sites and why so called few have only heard of him. Dyno sheets or 1/4 mile times would be nice. Also #2 only numbers as I could see hitting 500hp with NOS. Talk is cheap.



Installed the 4" exhaust from the turbo back today and it sounds awesome.



mark

PDR - Black Sheep Racing

 

[BushWakr - RIP]

Hmmmm, lets see, I got my decoder ring out... and my secret decryption book... . Ahaaaaa... .



I think that's a challenge..... either that or I had the book upside down... .



bob.

 

[RBurleson]

Sounds good but wheres the proof..... Dyno sheets or 1/4 mile times would be nice... ... Talk is cheap.

Sure is... how 'bout some proof on these amped-up POD injectors?



Randii

 

[BCaldwell]

randii I was there when they were put in at an idle there was a grey misting burping the throttle gave a black cloud had to leave before the test drive but imagine Mark now has a healthy increase in power bill

 

[R.E. Miller]

Congrats Mark!

Hey, that is with the "Racer-X" VE right? Who did you get to tinker with that pump, and was the tinkering very costly? Everyone around here seems to be real doorslammerlike when you ask them to go through your pump and have it shove some more fuel out.



Good Luck!

Russell

 

[nascar mark]

Russell, Just a regular ve44 pump. I have done all my own pump work to date for a cost of $0. 00 No extra parts or parts missing. Just tweaks and tuning.



Randii, I hope to dyno these injectors soon and anyone can come and watch. Most likely I will ask BushWakr to come along so nobody can say B. S.

I have allowed anyone to view my mods, which some have looked over my engine pretty good and have had many people present when dynoing or racing. Also have helped a few to raise their hp beyond most, which I have asked them not to say I have helped and still do wish them to stay anonymous.



Bob, Not a challenge, although I will dyno against all ve44 1st gen'ers or race, #2 only as I haven't added any fuel modifiers yet. I was simply stating so and so says they have done this or that and my cousins, friends brothers, friend did this, but wheres the proof.



mark

PDR - Black Sheep Racing

 

[BushWakr - RIP]

"... Bob, Not a challenge, although I will dyno against all ve44 1st gen'ers or race, #2 only ... "



Exactly what I thought you meant

Mark, I know what you mean about the 'brothers uncle's sister's husbands' thing. Just put it on the rollers, or on the track, either will do... .



You don't walk away from any competition, that's your style...

I'd be willing to be "impartial witness" to your dyno runs with the new nozzles, which by the way, I can also attest to, from independant information... . somewhat detailed information at that too. Assuming that is ok with the guys here. .

I don't think there are too many who can meet/exceed what you've done on your truck by youself.



If anyone is not sure, I'd stand up and confirm that Mark has "done his own work"... Yes, he has gotten advice, like all of us, me included, but he's done his own R&D tweaking on his pump. He has teased more fuel out of that poor VE than most of us are willing to chance... Proof... . look at his dyno sheets, and his track times, period. Besides, Mark is what used to be called "standup". . like most of the guys in this forum now that I think about it...

I have had timing done by someone else, but that's it for me too. Next time, I'll do that myself.



For the new guys in here, you should know that it is possible to have YOUR truck get close to 300 RWHP with the bare basics.

One look at marks numbers as well as a couple others eg: hdm48 (dave), and others who are up front.

Now, you will need to throw in some nozzles to help the pump out a bit, but other than that, your truck can do it. I've been spitting distance from there myself, with only what you see in my sig. With the proper setup it is usuable as a daily driver, otherwise you'll have some nasty EGT's and smoke (been there done that).

The stick boys have it a bit easier since they don't have to worry about as much line lose though. On the other hand they need to worry about the transmission itself.

Let me know when you want to do the run mark, I'll be there, or ride out with you... hmmmm well... ... ummmm... I better look up my life insurance coverage first... .



FWIW guys, I don't mind telling you all that most if not all of this is being done on YOUR behalf..... just keep in mind who is working (in a very limited market btw) to help out us 1st Genner's.

Lets face it, each day sees less and less 1st Gen trucks on the road, and R&D AIN'T CHEAP!!! especially when it's limited and ever diminishing market.

The end result will be components that will have been tried and tested, and proven to work on our trucks. Gotta luv it !!

All it took was a couple conversations, a few comments, and suggestions and there you have it. . no hesitation.



Now, lets see, I know I had that policy around here somewere... .

BTW, good luck on the Christmas Draw coming up soon.....

Bob.

 

[tclark]

There are a lot of guys out there teasing power out of these trucks who don't happen to subscribe to these online forums or who may not even be online for that matter. Some folks just don't have time to be 'logged on' all the time. And theres no doubt that many have squeezed a lot of power out of these first generation engines, more than some of you may be aware of. I know a guy not far from me who broke the 300+ barrier long ago (years) with a VE pump. He has dyno numbers to prove it. From reading the archives of this forum I know that not to long ago it was being discussed that 300+ was an impossible number to achieve.

I say this not to detract from what Mark has done, hey kudos to him, i enjoy reading about it. But realize that this community of folks who share info over the internet are a small group really. Lots of guys out there who aren't online doing some amazing things.

 

[J DeMaio]

So Guys... ... With a 12 cm turbine housing and a set of injectors, what else is needed to get 300 RWHP with controllable EGT's? I've got the housing on and am going to get the injectors soon. I need to be able to keep up with my buddies 2nd generations and PowerChokes as well as gain speed for towing. With approximately 8-9 tons behind me I can only hit 55MPH in 4th gear. In 5th it bogs down, goes slower, and EGT'S go up quick.



Thanks,



John

 

[BushWakr - RIP]

Hi John,



BTW, is your 12cm wastegated??? Do you know were abouts you are for HP now??

One of the issue's you may find with your setup is the small exhaust housing on the turbo. At 12cm, pulling that weight, you will likely have EGT issues at the upper end. First thing I'd look at is adjusting your governor for a few more RPM if you haven't done that already. This will let you hold a better speed in, say 4th, or even 3rd gear. Personally I'd aim for about 2900-3000 RPM.

That means you will have some more RPM to keep the trailer/load moving at a decent speed. Higher RPM/lower gear should reduce load on the engine and move a bit more air than loading it down in a higher gear.

The 12 could produce some high drive pressures and contribute to high EGT's.

You may well be a candidate for a 16cm or 14cm housing on your turbo. That way you still get half decent spoolup and don't run out of air/have high drive pressures at or near WOT.

If you want to be able to run at/near 300 RWHP for long hauls and hard pulls, you'll need to uprate your turbo entirely.

My comments were directed at those of us who want to have short blasts/runs at that level, as opposed to hard pulls on the highway or hills. It can be done but you'll need something like a PDR HX-35, and/or cam as well.

Pump timing is pretty important too... re-time your pump to 15* advance and see how it runs. I think you'll like the difference personally. You should see a bit of EGT reduction, better throttle response, and less smoke.

The injectors will make a large difference in your HP, and ease the load on the pump. Which injector you use is a personal choice.

To tow heavy like you want to do, you'll need to make some changes, at least I'd think you do.

It will take some trial and error but pump tweaks, timing, turbo exhaust housing change will get you close.



Prior to alot of this new work, nascar mark would haul/tow pretty heavy when he went north for his hunting up the Alaska Hwy.

He may be able to tell you/us what kind of temps/RPM's etc he was seeing with his rig. I'm guessing but I'd think that in Sept/Oct of last year he was pretty close to 300 HP (that was before he had the cam/turbo done. )



Bob.

 

[Dfeland]

I very seriously doubt that there are many folks who have hit the 300RWHP mark with our trucks. In any case I don't give a S**T who they are they are not on this board helping people turn there truck into what they want. Mark is my kind of guy, willing to work on his own stuff and see what works and what doesn't. I must tell you folks when I first bought my truck I called around OKC to a few diesel shops and asked if anyone worked on them, all I could hear on the other end of the phone were crickets chirping! Rather than criticize someone for their progress and get into a falic contest we should thank him for sticking with our old antiquated trucks. Because lets face it most of us could go out and buy a brand new one and make more power quicker, but for me that just doesn't do it. For Mark I don't think thats it either. Its about having fun and trying new things. There are very few 1st gens still left that are not beat to a pulp. I like my truck and am very thankful that others are enthused about their trucks as I am. My dad was a DM for Chrysler and in 89 if you folks reacall dodge was not doing so hot. When they announced the CUMMINS was going to be put in dodge trucks, you cannot even imagine the response of the dealer owners. When I went to the dealer and saw one for the first time I knew I had to have one. No one can argue that the cummins, np205 t-case, dana 60(with hubs), and dana 70 combined all together to make one of the longest lasting trucks out there EVER made. Lets not lose sight of WHY we still have our trucks. Mark excellent work on your recent findings keep us posted on your progress.