Yeah baby! Decent MPG!!

[Hohn]

Hohn, I don't understand your readings. I believe my fuel gauge is pretty accurate, well, at least before the FP60. The needle reading and odometer mileage readings were consistent every time before the additive. If I was reading 387 miles, my needle would be somewhere around 3/8 of a tank. Also, I have never gotten any less than 19 mpg. That's my minimum! That is hand calculated. Why are our readings so different? I have a ton of miles on my truck compared to your 40-50k but I feel my gauge is a little more accurate. What do you think? Oh yeah, if my gauge read 387 at just over half tank, I would be in the 28 mpg range. Yeah baby!

Every vehicle I've ever owned had LESS than half a tank left when half-tank was indicated



So given that I have a 35 gallon tank, I expect to take on about 20gal if I fill up at half-tank mark.



The FP60 must cause gauge issues, because it took 20+ gallons to fill, and it wasn't yet at half tank mark.



So, I'm led to believe that while the FP60 DEFINITELY helps with mpg, it ALSO causes the fuel guage to act in a way that makes it APPEAR to give more improvement than it does. So it's given me maybe 1. 5-2mpg in town, probably better onthe hwy. But it makes the gauge think I'm getting 30mpg



How exactly does the fuel level indicator on these things work? Does it have a float? Is it capacitance based?



Hope this clears things up.

 

[abdiver]

Hohn, Thanks for the info, You kept refering to where your gage was and you had driven so x amount of miles. Sounded like you were just going by your gauge only.



Thanks straightening me out, Bill

 

[Hohn]

Good Lube Control Link:



http://lubecontrol.softvu.com/cn/Re...id=93bc5d7074ad41fc91d609ca27ebc7b0&doLog=yes



h

 

[Bob4x4]

Every vehicle I've ever owned had LESS than half a tank left when half-tank was indicated



So given that I have a 35 gallon tank, I expect to take on about 20gal if I fill up at half-tank mark.



The FP60 must cause gauge issues, because it took 20+ gallons to fill, and it wasn't yet at half tank mark.



So, I'm led to believe that while the FP60 DEFINITELY helps with mpg, it ALSO causes the fuel guage to act in a way that makes it APPEAR to give more improvement than it does. So it's given me maybe 1. 5-2mpg in town, probably better onthe hwy. But it makes the gauge think I'm getting 30mpg



How exactly does the fuel level indicator on these things work? Does it have a float? Is it capacitance based?



Hope this clears things up.

The level unit is a float and it works on resistance.



I do see many more premature sending unit failures on trucks that use fuel additives on a regular basis.



Mine in the 94 just gave up the ghost recently I dont use any additives on a regular basis.



Bob

 

[abdiver]

Every vehicle I've ever owned had LESS than half a tank left when half-tank was indicated



So given that I have a 35 gallon tank, I expect to take on about 20gal if I fill up at half-tank mark.



The FP60 must cause gauge issues, because it took 20+ gallons to fill, and it wasn't yet at half tank mark.



So, I'm led to believe that while the FP60 DEFINITELY helps with mpg, it ALSO causes the fuel guage to act in a way that makes it APPEAR to give more improvement than it does. So it's given me maybe 1. 5-2mpg in town, probably better onthe hwy. But it makes the gauge think I'm getting 30mpg



How exactly does the fuel level indicator on these things work? Does it have a float? Is it capacitance based?



Hope this clears things up.

I sent an email to lubecontrol asking them about fuel gauge problems that may be caused by their product I based the question on the problems posted on this thread, I did know they would not say yes are product is harmful Below is my reply

----------------

Bill,



FP60 chemistry has no effect on fuel level sensors or gauges. We have thousands of customers using the products (not to mention my own cars) with no problems.







FYI: Accurate MPG calculation is done by logging the gallons added and total miles driven from your odometer. The gas gauge is NOT a part of that computation.







Sounds like you have a fuel level sensor problem but FP is not part of it (although an easy thing to blame). Try and correct the defective sensor. When you say you see more sending unit failures when using additives this is a broad statement. FP60 is not like other additives in any way from chemistry to how it is made.







Jeff Edwards



President LCD INC



www.lubecontrol.com



1-888-627-9410



FX: 972-739-9142



-- email address removed --

 

[Tom Trujillo]

I very consistently get 18 - 20 mpg with my '97 w/o any additives. More city driving and its on the low end, higher hiway and its on the higher end.

 

[Bob4x4]

This is a quote from the fp60 web page.



This product will not only clean but protect a vehicle’s fuel system by leaving a thin protective coat of oil over vital fuel system parts including fuel pump, gas tank and fuel injectors.

The fuel tank sending unit is simply a float operated arm wiping a wire wrap type resister. The resistance will change if there is any change in resistance between the contacts. "thin protective coat of oil " When did oil become a GOOD conductor?



Bob

 

[Hohn]

When did oil become a GOOD conductor?



Bob

I would say, never



It's a small price to pay, imo. I'll take the gauge inaccuracy every day to get the performance and protection of the FP60.



I love the stuff so far.



jlh

 

[Mike Ellis]

Bob4x4,



Have you ever noticed a link to more fuel tank sending unit failures in trucks where people don't regularly "fill up" the tank? If you were accustomed to running around on a half a tank for instance, putting in $10 or $15 at a whack, part of the sensor would not be regularly wiped and could easily get gunked up with the assorted crud that likes to accumulate in a tank, especially if the fuel were to get contaminated with algae ("bugs")...

 

[rivercat]

I think the heavy doses of fp60 might have contributed to my failing lift pump.



Buying only a few gallons of fuel at a time when the prices peaked I might have goten a little carried away and mixed it to stout.



What could happen from not running the oil treatment

 

[trqmnstr]

Update: My fuel gauge doesn't read at all now. It just sits below E. Not a big sacrifice for the trade off. I recently quit using the FP60 to see if my gauge would come back but it didn't. While in between doses, my truck was a real dog!!! It felt like I was pulling dead weight. I then proceeded to add the FP60 to my already full tank. Once again, the FP60 shined!!! My truck runs so much smoother and spools up like it has a different turbo on it. It is much more enjoyable to drive. Just thought I'd let you guys know. Clay. Oh yeah, I finally got my reader's rigs going. Check it out.

 

[Hohn]

I think the heavy doses of fp60 might have contributed to my failing lift pump.



Buying only a few gallons of fuel at a time when the prices peaked I might have goten a little carried away and mixed it to stout.



What could happen from not running the oil treatment

I can't see how the FP60 could take out a LP at all. LPs don't fail because of seals or such. Normally, the return spring goes bad or the motors burn up.



I suppose it possible that the FP ate the seals at the LP and allowed fuel in to the motor, but this is EXTREMELY unlikely. Why would it eat only LP seals, and no others? Why aren't others experiencing the same phenomenon.



LPs fail, and I don't think FP60 had anything to do with it, though I can't say conclusively.





OH, and I can't see how NOT running their oil additive would cause a problem I like it, but to say that not using it will cause damage is a little preposterous, imo.

 

[rivercat]

some thing about attitive enriched soot getting into the oil via blowby and oxidizing parts in the bottom of the motor

 

[Hohn]

Not likely at all. There are thousands of trucks representing millions of miles of usage WITHOUT any additives at all that don't have this problem.



jmo

 

[Hohn]

I have not heard of this product before, but with the comments on solvent/cleaning action and the improved performance it sounds similar to the good results some of us have experienced with Marvel Mystery Oil.



Looking at the ratios you guys are using, it makes me wonder if the FP60 product could be an acetone blend. Lots of people have been touting small quantities of acetone mixed in gasoline as a mileage booster, at a 1:640 ratio it is reported to boost mpg by 10-20%. Many reports from users back up the claims, and interestingly enough it is said to work with diesel as well.

Mike, I know what acetone smells like, and if this stuff has acetone in it, it's low enough not to smell like acetone.



It DOES smell a wee bit like MEK, though I don't think it's MEK, you wouldn't want that in your fuel system!

 

[HEMI®Dart]

any new news?



I got my quart of FP 60. I'm a little apprehensive about using it and loosing the fuel guage.

 

[JVukonich]

clay is right. the needle is no gauge, at least a goood one. ive run out of fuel at 1/4 tank. dodge says this is a seriously wide problem w/fuel gauges. my dads 96 he taped over the gauge and just fills at 400 miles,plenty left.



john

012500hd

 

[TORQUE THIS]

No problem with my gauge... however I am still getting 400 miles to a tank...

 

[Hohn]

I thought I'd post an update for what I've been dabbling with lately.



First, I've tried to find place that will sell straight #2 in the winter. Turns out the local Sapp Bros truck stop has #2!! They also have a winterized fuel, and they are at separate pumps. IMO, I don't need no stinking winter blend, and the extra MPG would be nice. They quit carrying the BIO for the winter (poor cloud pt), but it will be back in the spring. So I get to run #2 year round now! YIPPEE!



Secondly, the FP60 continues to impress. I've knocked out 21mpg hwy even with BRUTAL I-25 crosswinds (there were trucks in the ditch).



I've also been dabbling with the acetone thing a little bit. I don't think it offers much to a diesel engine. The results on my gasser car have been impressive, though: 5mpg improvement! That means my Maxima gets mpg like a Sentra! Yeah, baby! The acetone is perfectly safe, and I've had NO drawbacks to running it at all.



I'm going to try increasing the diesel dose to see if the acetone helps out my CTD.

 

[rivercat]

Wow $33 a gallon did they go up since this thread was started?