Royal Purple or Amsoil

[Diesel Power]

amsoil

the point is that most dont want to see something new or innovative being best---everyone has there opinion, but as far as me and all of my customers go amsoil is the best in product and service :30+ years proves it

 

[Texas Diesel]

You forgot one thing, Sledpuller shows up calmingly claiming that everyone who doesnt agree is an "idiot", and that Amsoil was created by God.



Sheesh, come up with a new line would you? Please?



And for the record, I'm not opposed to synthetics, just the ones you sell.



The bottom line is that there are thinking people who will always question unsupported claims, from Amsoil or anywhere else.



Amsoil failed misreably in my applications, and I have the right to express my opinion. I'm sorry your IQ wont allow you to give others the right to disagree with you. Guess you must be missing the profit from pehaps a few lost sales because of some people questioning. Hmmmmm.

 

[Diesel Power]

amsoil

i agree with your point but tell me how amsoil failed in your application, just for the record i've been around racing for a while and i can tell you that i've never seen a NASCAR failure due to amsoil, and belive me about 85% of them use it, i've only seen two failures with any. honestly. they were mobil 1 and royal purple. none of them even tried to take credit for it, i've seen amsoil take care of problems that are not even oil related! :--) its sad but true :-laf

 

[Texas Diesel]

I addressed the problems I have had with Amsoil before but since you asked.



1. My 98 was owned by an Amsoil "Dealer", I purchased it with 119k. Amsoil bumper to bumper, Amsoil oil filter, Amsoil air filter, stickers etc. The first oil analysis showed 36PPM silicon in the oil and the truck had an oily residue all under the air filter. The turbo blades had a oily gritty residue on them. The microscopic oil slide showed silicon and metal shavings in the oil. Went to a paper element and the silicon dropped to 5PPM.



2. The 5 speed shifted with great effort, first and reverse were especially bad. After changing the Amsoil out and refilling with Royal Purple the 5 speed shifts better all the time (got really smooth after a few thousand miles)



3. The Dana 80 Ring & Pinion are totally worn out at 180kmiles. Superior lube again?



4. My BMW motorcycle had Amsoil in the gear box. The bike even came with a partial quart and an extra quart. It shifted horribly. I drained the Amsoil out and refilled with Royal Purple. now it shifts 100% smoother.



Thanks for ASKING why I distrust Amsoil products.



The fact that this truck was run on Amsoil is the only regret we have, especially since the ring and pinion are shot on a truck that goes to work and back only.

 

[Diesel Power]

all that makes perfect sence to me but i would be willing to bet that all said is true then the oil was not the proper weight that should have been in there, thats were problems start and end. as for the air filter it was obviously way over oiled, thats why amsoil discontinued there old line of oil filters, some people are just to slow to read directions, there new filter would suit you well, as far as being superior or not well i dont see royal purple doing ANY kind of testing against amsoil, but once again amsoil shows you the results of there products---and they are not very good. redline if any is the closest to us in wear but not in flowability, there is so much to look at its unreal. :-laf

 

[Texas Diesel]

The bottles that came with the BMW were the correct weight. And since the owner of the truck was an Amsoil Dealer it would be assumed that he could read the oil recomendations. To blame the failures on the grade (weight) is what Amsoil people do whenever they are confronted with the products failure. It is always some thing other than the product itself.



Once again, we are back to accepting Amsoil's claim that Amsoil is better than anyone or anything else. This is typical for any pyramid sales company, the little army of users (actually reselling it for personal profit) always claim their product is "the best you can buy" they are in reality saying "the best you can buy from me "



I fail to be convinced.



But thanks for your polite discussion.



Dont think that Amsoil dealers want to help? They want your money. http://www.addreps.net/amsoil.html It's all about marketing.

 

[Diesel Power]

amsoil

allright back to the drawing board, first of all amsoil dealers are not scientist or chemists your buddy one had a lemon to begin with or put the wrong stuff in. on second thought he probably put it in when new and never changed it that might after 118-180k cause a failure, but if it was the oil that failed then did you take a sample and get your warranty from amsoil, cause if you did that with the oil being the cause they would have replaced those parts no questions asked. guess we will never know :-laf thanks

 

[Sled Puller]

No, I don't think anyone is an idiot for their oil choice or their drain intervals.

These engines will run a ton of miles with huge amounts of abuse, you could even squish some concord grapes up, add a little baby oil and call it Purple Royale and get away with for a few miles.





Lets look over your little woe is me list of problems. They resemble numerous threads on these very boards, with the SAME problem, different lubes. Funny I don't see anyone else blaming the oil that was in the vehicle at the time of failure???



1. Air filter. Easily could have been over oiled, just like other oil air filters. Negligence of previous owner. Oiled air filters,any brand, I think, should not be used on turbo charged engines.



2. 4500s are notorious for trash synchros that fail under normal use with factory oil. Mine has always worked flawless with Amsoil, yours didn't, bad luck for you, or driving habits?



3. Dana 80s need properly aligned for long life, this has been discussed in our magazine. That one, was obviously not. Mine at 150,000miles, 75,000 of that at 600HP sled pulling, and the ring and pinion look brand new. Amsoil since 35,000. But, maybe it will destroy it in the next 30,000, keep your fingers crossed Texas.



4. No idea about BMW bikes.



Oil does not work perfectly in one gear box, then eat another alive. But it is always EASIER to blame something you don't like because of a bad dealer, than to look for the real causes of failure.



How are your Royal Purple sales going Texas? Or did you give that up already?

 

[Texas Diesel]

What?

Did you read this?



The bottles that came with the BMW were the correct weight. And since the owner of the truck was an Amsoil Dealer it would be assumed that he could read the oil recomendations. To blame the failures on the grade (weight) is what Amsoil people do whenever they are confronted with the products failure. It is always some thing other than the product itself.



Once again, we are back to accepting Amsoil's claim that Amsoil is better than anyone or anything else. This is typical for any pyramid sales company, the little army of users (actually reselling it for personal profit) always claim their product is "the best you can buy" they are in reality saying "the best you can buy from me "



I fail to be convinced.



But thanks for your polite discussion.



Dont think that Amsoil dealers want to help? They want your money. http://www.addreps.net/amsoil.html It's all about marketing.

 

[blacksheep4x4]

Definitely Amsoil, 143,000 miles on my my '03 and its lovin it. I switched to Amsoil in my drag car and cut my 1/4 mile times by 4 tenths.

 

[Diesel Nut]

Most of my customers report nothing but improvments using Amsoil. No we aren't scientists, but I am a mechanic. An industrial mechanic to be exact, and in the oil refineries and powerplants of the western part of the us and the North Slope of Alaska, synthetic lubricants are what these machines run on. Some Amsoil, some royal purple, some Mobil. Either one will serve you well, you just have to decide which one to use, or where to use one and where to use the other. Flaming one side or the other won't help. Oil wars always wind up getting hot (no pun intended!)



Truck on!

 

[Sled Puller]

Lets look over your little woe is me list of problems. They resemble numerous threads on these very boards, with the SAME problem, different lubes. Funny I don't see anyone else blaming the oil that was in the vehicle at the time of failure???



1. Air filter. Easily could have been over oiled, just like other oil air filters. Negligence of previous owner. Oiled air filters,any brand, I think, should not be used on turbo charged engines.



2. 4500s are notorious for trash synchros that fail under normal use with factory oil. Mine has always worked flawless with Amsoil, yours didn't, bad luck for you, or driving habits?



3. Dana 80s need properly aligned for long life, this has been discussed in our magazine. That one, was obviously not. Mine at 150,000miles, 75,000 of that at 600HP sled pulling, and the ring and pinion look brand new. Amsoil since 35,000. But, maybe it will destroy it in the next 30,000, keep your fingers crossed Texas.



4. No idea about BMW bikes.



?

Try reading my answers, instead of trying to imply that I said something I didn't.



But thanks for your polite discussion.

 

[jnelson]

I ran 433,000 miles on my old 2001 CTD pulling oilfield equipment from Canada to Mexico running good ol' Rotella. She was running great when I traded her in and the new owners first trip in it was to Canada towing a race car. I put Mobil 1 75w90 in the rear and never had a problem.



How many engine problems are really oil related if it's changed on a regular basis?



. 02



P. S. - I did run Amsoil ATF in my '01 auto. It ran 433,000 miles and was never rebuilt. I put 2 new TC's in it a DTT VB, that was it. All other components were original.

 

[Sled Puller]

I.



How many engine problems are really oil related if it's changed on a regular basis?



. .

I would expect next to ZERO.



I have a 92 that I bought out of a junkyard for $300. 00. Sat for at least a year. 285,000 miles. It was bad. I drained the goop, filled with Walmart Special 15-40 for 100 miles, drained it, threw in good old Delo.

Thing runs perfect. No idea of the maintence history, from the looks of the truck, not much.

I don't know if I'll Amsoil it not. Its got that far, but I might switch it out of spite.

 

[Diesel Power]

amsoil

man wecome back guys i didnt think any one but tex was gona chime in any way you are right, every one that i sell to that races gets a min of 1/10 consistently and yes over royal purple. :-laf

 

[Texas Diesel]

Seems like I was right, this always winds up with Amsoil dealers claiming that nothing is better. How sad.



I wonder how many Amsoil trucks have made 1,000,000 miles like the dino oiled ones? Can you name one?



Just like any pyramid sales company, the motivated dealers promote and promote with only self claims to back it up.



You guys need to take lessons from this link http://www.addreps.net/amsoil.html

and add a little more "slickness" to your sales pitches!



Seriously, these threads never go anywhere positive. No one is really swayed. The Delo people keep using Delo, RP people keep using RP, and the Amsoil people, well, they are smarter than the rest of us and way better than the API allows.

 

[Diesel Power]

amsoil

first, one trucker i deal with in virginia changed his oil every 300k using oil analysis now has over 2,400,000k on the engine and got 1,600,000 out of his manual trans :--) and buy your self some books, you will find that amsoil was the first synthetic company to surpass 1 million miles,also what says that amsoil has to be certified by API---- American Petoleum Institute, sorry but no petoleum in all but one oil we have, amsoil has exceeded all of API's so called specs, even europe's specs with flying colors, go to amsoil.com all you need is right there. :-laf

 

[Sled Puller]

Now there lies the problem. You accuse us of slick salesmanship, and then turn around and say all we do is tell of our personal experience with the product, and we need to be slicker. This what I use, this how it works for me. Buy it or not. Thats as slick as it gets.

Big Oil brainwashing people into 3000 mile drains, NOW THATS SLICK!!!!!



Every part I have ever bought on my truck, I asked other people how they liked theirs, first. Personal usage goes alot farther than those fancy colored boxes in the Wal Mart isle.



Back to the thread starter:

"I want to use a Synthetic in my 03 Now I have been told that Royal is better then Amsoil. But a mech I know says that synthetic oil is all the same. I am going to put synthetic in my transmission,front and rear diffs and transfer case. But I need to know what one is better. "



Ok, he wants to use A SYNTHETIC. That means he has made his choice, no dino. So anyone who felt the urge to post, "I use Rosmella Dino" didn't need to post.



His mechanic said all synthetics are the same. Well, we all know that isn't true.



Then he wants to know, which is better, RP, or Amsoil.

Members came on posting their personal exprience with both. You didn't like that Amsoil users far out numbered Royal Purple.

Now, you claim you have nothing to do with RP. So, out of the goodness of your heart, (either that, or a personal vendetta against Wayne, or Amsoil) you take it upon yourself to try and discredit a great company by falsely accusing it of illegal sales practices,"pyramid scheme" and challenging the integrity of some the users, because they also sell it. Basically calling them liars in order to sell a product.



Since neither side seems to have produced scientific data on a head to head comparison of the two products in question, all we have to go on is personal use.

Honestly, if I was MOconnor, I would try Redline after reading this thread.



RP as come along way in the last few years, maybe not quite up to Amsoils benchmarks in the synthetic industry, but probably close enough you wouldn't see a difference in wear in the short lifespans of these trucks. But I am biased.

 

[Diesel Power]

amsoil

amsoil does have head to head comparison of royal purple and others! :-laf it is www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf read and weep!! :--)

 

[Texas Diesel]

Sled Puller, no where did I accuse Amsoil of illegal sales schemes but Amsoil IS a MLM (pyramid) sales ocompnay. READ:



http://www.addreps.net/amsoil.html



Second, like ALL pyramid schemes, Shacklee, Amyway, etc the dealers/users/promoters are all fanatical beyond reason. Always the pyramid sales people (who make $$$$) promote the product with fanatical passion, making wild claims (too good to be API certified as one example) that the product is soooooooo much better than ANYTHING else and worth ANY price paid.



Keep your BS for your motivational seminars. All the personal claims of extreme performance dont make it true. There is not one documented Ram on Amsoil making 1,000,000 miles like there have been many dino lubed trucks that have... And are still running.



The fanaticism displayed is comical to those watching, you guys have almost made Amsoil a religion.



Screem, yell, give countless unsupported afirmations and we are back to the same point. You cant find Amsoil HD synthetic on the API website. For one reason, it doesnt meet the minumum requirements for certification.



I cant believe you guys fall for so much compnay hype & BS.



The propaganda is almost a copy of Shaklee and Amway sales pitches.



WAKE UP!



The Royal Purple website has a tech page of tests and stuff (even drag racers) if you care for such stuff.



I have a neighbor who sells Amyway vitamins. Dont even metion vitamins around him because you will get a fanatical sales pitch about how much better his vitamins are than ANYTHING else. And that Amway vitamins use special formulas that no one else has. Sound familiar? Of course he happens to sell them at 2x the cost of store bought vitamins. Sound familiar again?