Royal Purple or Amsoil

[jwduke]

Amzoil is good, but WAY over priced... ... . Just my thaught... ... .

 

[Texas Diesel]

I will also say this again, as I have said many times over. Do you think a Company that has been in the oil lubrication business for over 33 years would still be in business if thier product line was not high quality? Regards,



Wayne

amsoilman

Wayne, that is a lame arguement. Ronco has been making Christmas-plastic-junk for decades too. Have you ever seen anything made by Ronco last? Simply the fact that a company hangs around only proves they have a steady stream of suckers. Remember the stupid 3' fishing pole that Ronco made in the 70's? When was the last time you saw one? I have and still use two Diawa spinning reels from the 70's!! Big difference in quality and both companies are still in business.

 

[amsoilman]

TEXAS DIESEL,

I'm sorry you have had ,what you consider a bad experience with the Amsoil products you've used. I on the other hand have seen many good things come from the use of them. Since I have been iinvolved with the Amsoil Company some 25 years, I can honestly say there is not one product I have used that didn't surrpass any comparible product, and I have used many in my 70 plus years.



During those years with Amsoil, I have learned there are those who use a particular product, and swear by it, and then there are those like yourself, who feel they were short changed. We all have and make choices in our lives each and every minute of every day. You have made the choice of not using there products, and that is not a bad thing, as it is YOUR choice.



I will continue to use their products even if I did not have the oppertunity to market them, as I feel they are very hard to beat! And that is my choice.



Best regards my friend,



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Texas Diesel]

And I respect your right to choose your oil. If you notice, I edited my last two posts to remove potentially offensive thoughts/language so as not to be offensive.



We are obviously both engine fanatics and have passionate feelings / opinions regarding them and happilly, we are able to share a common forum with no personal attacks on each other.



Just the sharing and relating of opinions / experiences.



Cheers and I hope we have many more such peaceful discussions to come. I wish I lived closer to you as I really would like to chance to talk face to face. We have a lot in common even if you choose red and I choose purple

 

[EB]

I am going to post on this thread again with the actual experience I have had with Amsoil. In my 95 Dodge, although I didn't discover Amsoil until I had over 100k on the truck when I changed over, the truck went for 416,000 miles before I sold it with no lubrication problems at all using Amsoil everyplace it could be put. The engine oil was changed every 50,000 miles with the addition of a bypass filter.

My 2003 has had the engine oil changed 6 times, the mileage is now over 270,000k. The oil was changed at 6, 12, & 18k to break the engine in and switch to Amsoil. The oil was changed at 67k when the oil analysis showed high silicon, my air box had come loose. It was change again at 167k, and again at 267k. I run a bypass filter, change the full flow every 6k and the bypass every 18k with a oil analysis run about 2k before time to change the bypass. The power steering has Amsoil as well as the transmission and the rear end. I have tried three different oils in the rear end because it has whined since new. The oil it came with and mobil one, which someone on this site said would stop the noise. It did not. I went back to Amsoil and have been there every since.

I am posting this to show what a truck that works everyday pulling a big trailer in the oilfields has experienced. No lubrication problems at all. I plan on the truck going at least 500k and will be suprised if it doesn't.

You can have all the specs, API ratings from anyplace you want if you pay enough $, I go with what works for me.

All I ask is that people quit bad mouthing products that maybe they have had one bad experience with. What you use is your choice, I don't really care what you use. If it works for you, great, but leave the choice up to the individual. I doubt many run the miles under the conditions that I do.

Amsoil works for me.

 

[LightmanE300]

Of course this is an opinon, but I don't think there is a single company that makes the best product in every product category - in any industry. Dodge/Cummins makes the best trucks - at least to most of us - however their cars are far from it... I feel the same way about amsoil. Some of it's good, some mediocre. I am far from the only one that had chattering/noise issues when using their gear lube. . I switched to mobil 1 and boom the noise is gone... as have about 25 others on the site... Then again I love my amsoil dual bypass setup, as well as the 0w40 atv/4stroke oil I run in my quads. I had crappy oil analysis results using the series 3000 amsoil compared to delvac 1, but I should have known better than to use a 30wt in a diesel I think blindly believing in everything they make is a little naive, however they undoubtedly make some good products.

 

[MMeier]

Amzoil is good, but WAY over priced... ... . Just my thaught... ... .

Not if you know how and where to buy it !! :-laf

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

We do not currently market a 5W40 instead choosing to market a full synthetic 15W40 that is actually API Licensed, unlike most of the products sold by Amsoil . . .

Oh boy. . . I suppose I should drain the Amsoil out of my Cummins and replace it with Pennzoil, since it's API licensed :-laf

 

[KennethS]

I change every 5000 miles here my reason

I change the oil and filter every 5000 on my diesel truck and use Rotella 15w30 , I have use that for years and no problem. A lot of fellows claim they change every 5000 but don't really. My son Is one. He change once a year and Is always adding oil. His car always need a quart or two. I stop saying anything to him because he just gets mad. He drives 60 miles a day one way to work and puts lots of miles on his car. When he done with a car It had It. wore out. I have found changing oil at a regular time Is the secret to long life. Around here the parts store don't sell fleetguard filters unless you buy a mopar and the cost twice what they should. Would like to see a list on what filters to use and not to use. Any of you got the list of bad filters and good ones?

 

[funkra]

To set the record straight, Amsoil does have a Diesel oil that is API licensed, but it is not a full synthetic! I did PM you regarding the licenesing issues.



I will also say this again, as I have said many times over. Do you think a Company that has been in the oil lubrication business for over 33 years would still be in business if thier product line was not high quality? They were also the first to come out with synthetics back in 1972!



Just something to think about.







Regards,



Wayne

amsoilman

Wayne,



I've listed ALL the oils AMSOIL has which are API certified... it's only their XL line (the stuff sold by Jiffy Lube). Please show me where Amsoil's diesel products are listed on the API website... they are not listed there.

 

[LightmanE300]

Funkra - I don't think Wayne or anyone else for that matter needs to show you anything... look yourself and you can see the very few oils amsoil has that are actually licensed. While they have a few, you wouldn't want to use any of them. The reality is that none of their top quality synthetics are api licensed. So what? Do you only drink coffee that is approved by the american coffee association? If it works and has tons of oil analysis reports to prove that it does, who cares?



KennethS - rotella is a 15w40, not 30.

 

[funkra]

Wayne, that is a lame arguement. Ronco has been making Christmas-plastic-junk for decades too. Have you ever seen anything made by Ronco last? Simply the fact that a company hangs around only proves they have a steady stream of suckers. Remember the stupid 3' fishing pole that Ronco made in the 70's? When was the last time you saw one? I have and still use two Diawa spinning reels from the 70's!! Big difference in quality and both companies are still in business.

I have to agree with you Texas Diesel. There are plenty of businesses around that have survived depite a lack of quality (Amway, any one?). Also, the fact that someone got 500,000 miles using an Amsoil product doesn't mean anything either... perhaps that same individual would have gotten 550,000 with another synthetic. What is very questionable is the lack of API certification for the vast majority of Amsoil products AND the way it is marketed (MLM). I know Amsoil claims that they do not get their products API certified because it costs so much, and that they prefer to roll that money into R&D, but that IS a lame excuse because certification would only serve to INCREASE their revenvues and decrease net cost because MORE PEOPLE WOULD BUY IT WITH CERTIFICATION. Think about it... if your product is so great, wouldn't you want to put it up against everyone else's and prove it using THE standard for all lubricants? It doesn't make sense. I know Amsoil claims their results are based on "independent test results", but why spend good money using a test facility other than API? It really calls into question the validity of their testing.

I know there are a lot of websites out there claiming how great Amsoil is, but nearly all of them are dealers. I know most of these guys are honest, but really, do you want to trust the word of the guy who is selling you the stuff? Frankly, I think its foolish to put something in your engine that hasn't been tested by THE standard in the industry (API), especially when you are paying more for it!

 

[funkra]

Funkra - I don't think Wayne or anyone else for that matter needs to show you anything... look yourself and you can see the very few oils amsoil has that are actually licensed. While they have a few, you wouldn't want to use any of them. The reality is that none of their top quality synthetics are api licensed. So what? Do you only drink coffee that is approved by the american coffee association? If it works and has tons of oil analysis reports to prove that it does, who cares?



KennethS - rotella is a 15w40, not 30.

Lightman, I am just trying to do some research here, and I am actually leaning in your direction (away from Amsoil). I went into this initially favoring Amsoil based on what they put out in their own literature, and I was merely asking if someone had some hard data on them and the others. That's what this site is all about. I honestly assumed Amsoil's products were all API certified, and was looking forward to putting their oil into my truck at 20,000 miles. But, regrettably, most of their products are not.



I have to disagree with you about the API certification. API certification is THE benchmark for oil quality... anything else is subjective. API certification is so important that we can not use anything but API certified oils in the jets I fly for living... it mandated by the FAA. There's good reason for it... it is the most trusted standard in the US. Besides, I'm sure you know a $5000 Cummins is not $0. 50 cent cup of coffee. I'm not putting anything in my engine unless it comes with a donut!

 

[LightmanE300]

LOL you think there is a good reason for it - you just are thinking the wrong reason . The reason for mandating the API licensed stuff is $$$ and nothing else. It's all business. The reality of the matter is amsoil has some really good oils, and some that I don't care for. I dont' care what organization is certifying it or not, the specs are the specs, and thousands upon thousands of individual consumers have been using it and getting great oil analysis results with amsoil. I do not care for their MLM strategy, or all of their propaganda they put out, acting like the stuff is liquid gold and nothing else compares. However they are just as good as other leading synthetics, in fact there aren't many on the market that are as good (group 4 pao/ester based). Basically when I run the stuff in my engine and get great oil analysis results (been testing used oil since 2001 in my vehicles) I don't need any little starburst symbol on the bottle. The amsoil 15w40 heavy duty diesel/marine oil is a fantastic oil at a great price, worlds better for the same price than rotella synthetic or valvoline premium blue extreme - both of which have group 3 dino bases, and are legally allowed to be called 'synthetics'. If I lived in the south, I would undoubtedly run that oil. However since I'm up here in exotic, beautiful Cleveland OH, I run a 5w40 - delvac 1.



As for a $5000 being worth more than the coffee you drink - using the same suggestion you gave - which is that you can't trust any oil that's not api certified, it seems silly to argue that a hunk of iron is worth more than your health - if there was such a thing as non-certified coffee... Api is just big business - companies have to pay big bucks to get the little starburst... . and if you really look into it - most of the oils commonly used on this site are not even API CERTIFIED, they are LICENSED - which means all they did is pay for the little donut...



It's funny reading your post - no offense - but for years people have been parroting the same argument you have... and all the while there have been other people successfully running amsoil. My advice is don't let the paranoia get the best of you or get hung up on the api thing... I suggest you try a run of the oil in your vehicle and do an oil analysis. Then do one using mobil 1 on your next drain, or whatever other brands you feel comfortable with. The results will be very very close. .

 

[Texas Diesel]

. Api is just big business -

Definately big business but the OEM's Dodge, Ferd, Shove-O-let, Toyota, Nissan etc etc etc all REQUIRE API grade oil. If you dont use the grade they specify your warranty is in question. Even if you believe the caped A-Man will swoop and fight your court case for you. Could A_____ be that much better to be worth the trouble :-laf ? I have some cheap ocean front property in AZ for sale...



Stay with API oil and remember ALL the million mile Rams used API oil and OEM filters + REGULAR changes.

 

[LightmanE300]

Texas - I agree completely about potential warranty issues with non api licensed oils. . the dealer will use anything they can to deny your coverage... however I can't remember a single occurence of an oil related problem where the brand has come up. Its my opinion as I stated that the big A is not 'that much better,' but then again I don't think there really exists any such 'trouble'



I moved a year and a half ago up here from Sarasota, FL (crazy I know, but ya gotta follow the paychecks sometimes) and it was interesting that Sarasota Dodge sells/installs Amsoil products. . I asked them about being certified or whatever from DC and they kinda laughed and said it doesn't matter. . who knows. .



Redline isn't api licensed either, and they use some of the highest quality components available (holy $$ batman!)...

 

[Texas Diesel]

I moved a year and a half ago up here from Sarasota, FL

What? Man, just when I thought I liked you... :-laf



We're wanting to move to Tampa as soon as we can get some bills paid off. Gotta live near the Keys!!!!!!!!



Except for you decision to relocate I'm with you 100%!!!! :-laf

 

[amsoilman]

Wayne,



I've listed ALL the oils AMSOIL has which are API certified... it's only their XL line (the stuff sold by Jiffy Lube). Please show me where Amsoil's diesel products are listed on the API website... they are not listed there.

funkra'



HERE it is. I hope it will caome up.







Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Texas Diesel]

Oh boy. . . I suppose I should drain the Amsoil out of my Cummins

That might be a good idea... I drained it out of my BMW and NV-4500, both are much happier now :-laf

 

[funkra]

Roger Wayne. Thanks... I should have been more clear... I am talking about synthetics. I actually listed that blended oil on post 79. As you know, here's what Amsoil sells:



(TSO) Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil

(TRO) Series 2000 Synthetic 20W-50 Motor Oil

(HDD) Series 3000 Synthetic 5W-30 Heavy-Duty Diesel Oil

(XLM) XL 5W-20 Synthetic Motor Oil

(XLF) XL 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

(XLT) XL 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

(XLO) XL 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil

(ASL) SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

(AFL) Synthetic 5W-40 European Motor Oil

(ATM) SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

(AMO) SAE 10W-40 Synthetic High Performance Motor Oil

(ARO) SAE 20W-50 Synthetic High Performance Motor Oil

(ACD) Synthetic 10W-30/SAE 30 Heavy-Duty Diesel Oil

(AHR) SAE 60 Synthetic Racing Oil

(AME) SAE 15W-40 Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil

(PCO) Dual-Base 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel/Gasoline Oil



Here is all that is API certified:

PCO 15W-40 CI-4/SL** August 8, 2006 (not a synthetic)

XL 10W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2006

XL 10W-40 SM/CF August 8, 2006

XL 5W-20 SM/CF* August 8, 2006

XL 5W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2006



Thanks for the help.