Royal Purple or Amsoil

[funkra]

Does Chevron's Delo 400 Synthetic have a Group 3 Base?

 

[amsoilman]

Roger Wayne. Thanks... I should have been more clear... I am talking about synthetics. I actually listed that blended oil on post 79. As you know, here's what Amsoil sells:



(TSO) Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil

(TRO) Series 2000 Synthetic 20W-50 Motor Oil

(HDD) Series 3000 Synthetic 5W-30 Heavy-Duty Diesel Oil

(XLM) XL 5W-20 Synthetic Motor Oil

(XLF) XL 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

(XLT) XL 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

(XLO) XL 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil

(ASL) SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

(AFL) Synthetic 5W-40 European Motor Oil

(ATM) SAE 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil

(AMO) SAE 10W-40 Synthetic High Performance Motor Oil

(ARO) SAE 20W-50 Synthetic High Performance Motor Oil

(ACD) Synthetic 10W-30/SAE 30 Heavy-Duty Diesel Oil

(AHR) SAE 60 Synthetic Racing Oil

(AME) SAE 15W-40 Synthetic Heavy-Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil

(PCO) Dual-Base 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel/Gasoline Oil



Here is all that is API certified:

PCO 15W-40 CI-4/SL** August 8, 2006 (not a synthetic)

XL 10W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2006

XL 10W-40 SM/CF August 8, 2006

XL 5W-20 SM/CF* August 8, 2006

XL 5W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2006



Thanks for the help.

I beleive the PCO is a "synthetic blend", meaning part synthetic and part petrolium, and it is specific for Diesel engines.





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[amsoilman]

Definately big business but the OEM's Dodge, Ferd, Shove-O-let, Toyota, Nissan etc etc etc all REQUIRE API grade oil. If you dont use the grade they specify your warranty is in question. Even if you believe the caped A-Man will swoop and fight your court case for you. Could A_____ be that much better to be worth the trouble :-laf ? I have some cheap ocean front property in AZ for sale...



Stay with API oil and remember ALL the million mile Rams used API oil and OEM filters + REGULAR changes.

In 25 years with Amsoil, I have NEVER heard of an OEM disputing a warranty because the oil was not API licensed. I have been to the Amsoil Corporate facilty on four occasions, and talked with many people in the business, and this has NEVER come up!

I have heard of some service writers make statements such as; Oh, you can't use a synthetic oil in the engine, or it will "Void" the warranty! These kind of people are just unimformed, and don't know any better!



Went to the 30th year anniversary, where there were hundreds of people, including people in the raciing world, people like Bobby Unser, D. J. Eckstrom, Terry Rinker, Mike Larocco, Travis Peterson, Justin Tate. I could go on with many more, but it would fill the page.



My point is, API Licensing is voluntary and NOT required by law. The API starburst symbol only shows the oil in the can is supposed to meet the minumum requirements stated on the can. However, a few years back, Consumers research did a study of oils, and went across the nation picking brands of oils from the shelves of stores, then went about testing them for such things as viscosity etc. Guess what? They found several oils that did not meet the viscosity requirements stated on the container! Some were out of grade by 2 grades!



This is a fact, and I have that article in my office.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Frankly, I think its foolish to put something in your engine that hasn't been tested by THE standard in the industry (API), especially when you are paying more for it!

Is the API really that good of standard? Like I mentioned think it appears on Pennzoil motor oils, so there's some crapola oil out there with the API label on it.



Vaughn

 

[LightmanE300]

Vaughn, the reality is that most of the big oil companies simply pay for api licensing, not certification. Basically a lot of cash to get the donut on the bottle. . and as you noticed, there are some dog-poo oils displaying that donut...



Funkra - delo is a group 3.



Wayne, as much as you are right about most of the api nonsense and amsoil being spectacular, or anything you'd even choose to run in your vehicle. . You know those xl series are cheap and are good for far less miles than the premium synthetic amsoil offerings. . licensing or not. .

 

[amsoilman]

Vaughn, the reality is that most of the big oil companies simply pay for api licensing, not certification. Basically a lot of cash to get the donut on the bottle. . and as you noticed, there are some dog-poo oils displaying that donut...



Funkra - delo is a group 3.



Wayne, as much as you are right about most of the api nonsense and amsoil being spectacular, or anything you'd even choose to run in your vehicle. . You know those xl series are cheap and are good for far less miles than the premium synthetic amsoil offerings. . licensing or not. .

LIGHTMAN300,

I agree with you on the XL series oils, as Amsoil's recommended life on those oils are 7500/6 Month, where the top tier oils they offer are up to 35,000/1 year life. The XL series oils were introduced to compete with some of the other "Synthetics" on the market, ie Pennzoil, Castrol etc.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[DPKetchum]

Chezz the XL was advertised as to compete with the OTHER oils with the WORD SYNTHETIC on the bottle.

 

[nps]

So why are the XLs the only ones API licenced?

 

[DPKetchum]

Don't know. Maybe a big seller and worth the money,just a guess. Need AMSOILMAN to chime in. I personaly have been using their products for a number of years. I like the ease of ordering,big brown delivering and I like the heck out of their products. Its in EVERTHING I own including a New Holland tractor & 22 h. p. lawnmower. I use their wheel bearing grease,lubes,diesel fuel additives, oil etc.

 

[nps]

I almost went with them - good stuff no doubt. Ended up putting Redline everywhere (except the motor - it gets Delo 400 or Cat oil).



I liked the Redline MTL specs better for my NV5600. And I felt the heavy shockproof in the front/rear ends would give better heavy towing protection in the heat of the southwest. The shockproof is something else - a light viscosity so it pours out, but clings so well that a drip will not run down the side of the bottle.



Summit also has free shipping so the $ worked out to their favor too.

 

[Texas Diesel]

We run Royal Purple bumper to bumper except the engine, Delvac or the Valvoline with the big blue C on the bottle.



Edit: Last diff change I didnt have time to wait for my cute UPS lady to deliver so I used Mystic 85W-150. Next time it gets RP.



My 5600 sure loves the Synchromax and the 5 speed 12V is happy with MaxGear 75W-90 (whatever).



RPMOIL. COM has free shipping too.



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NPS, how does the redline in your 6 speed work out? My 3rd gear grinds went away when I dumped the OEM stuff. And what weight do you run in the front diff?

 

[nps]

NPS, how does the redline in your 6 speed work out? My 3rd gear grinds went away when I dumped the OEM stuff. And what weight do you run in the front diff?

Redline works great - put it in the Tcase too just in case there was ever any mixing between the Tcase and transmission. Figured the viscosity of ATF and the MTL was about the same. OEM stuff was doing good when I took it out, but the MTL does better.



The Heavy Shockproof has the consistency of 90W gear oil, but the viscosity and performance of 240W. Put it in front and back - haven't had the front axle puke out the vent tube since.

 

[JasonBrown]

I hope Amsoil is good stuff. I just spent 400 bucks on it to convert everything: Cummins, Durango, boat, 4-wheelers. I got grease, oil, everything. Quick somebody post something to make me feel better!!!!

 

[amsoilman]

I hope Amsoil is good stuff. I just spent 400 bucks on it to convert everything: Cummins, Durango, boat, 4-wheelers. I got grease, oil, everything. Quick somebody post something to make me feel better!!!!

You will not be disappointed! I'd use it even if I were not involved, and I've been using it for 25 plus years, as said earlier.





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[DPKetchum]

I already DID! LOL. Even my lawnmower LIKES it. 10 gals of Amsoil Hyd. fliud in my tractor. Made the lift and brakes,clutch work much smoother over the factory fill. Use the Amsoil wheel bearing lube in my horse trailer and did in my bass boat trailer bearings.

 

[redram]

To set the record straight, Amsoil does have a Diesel oil that is API licensed, but it is not a full synthetic! I did PM you regarding the licenesing issues.



I will also say this again, as I have said many times over. Do you think a Company that has been in the oil lubrication business for over 33 years would still be in business if thier product line was not high quality? They were also the first to come out with synthetics back in 1972!



Just something to think about.







Regards,



Wayne

amsoilman

Why do you have to PM about something that does not favor your favorite oil?



And what does it matter that Amsoil has a marketing slogan that they were first in synthetics - when they actually were not - Amoco was in 1929 and then the Germans furthered the development in WWII in both Synfuels and oils. hey, Firestone was first in radials - remember the 500 - how many of you run Firestone tires today? Who even remembers that Firestone was first in radials - maybe first in rollovers (Exploders err Explorers).

How about TI - they were first in electronic calculators - where are they today...



Give it a rest Wayne. Be human and stop selling for a moment! Oo.

 

[amsoilman]

Why do you have to PM about something that does not favor your favorite oil?



And what does it matter that Amsoil has a marketing slogan that they were first in synthetics - when they actually were not - Amoco was in 1929 and then the Germans furthered the development in WWII in both Synfuels and oils. hey, Firestone was first in radials - remember the 500 - how many of you run Firestone tires today? Who even remembers that Firestone was first in radials - maybe first in rollovers (Exploders err Explorers).

How about TI - they were first in electronic calculators - where are they today...



Give it a rest Wayne. Be human and stop selling for a moment! Oo.

Well to tell you the truth, which I always do, I PM'd the man the info on why Amsoil does not license ALL their oils. I did this hopeing the thread would not get into a P****ing contest! I guess I should have defined my above remarks stateing the facts of Amsoil being the first in synthetics that met the API specs for automotive use. This was even brought out in a TV program on the "HISTORY" Channel a few weeks ago. The program was called "Modern Marvels, lube job", and featured the Amsoil founder.





Best regards my friend,





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Texas Diesel]

Wayne, the bottom line is go to the API website and show what Amsoil HD synthetics are listed. Only one I believe, I dont care to hear what Amsoil "recommends" for this API category or the other.



Here is one reason I distrust Amsoil so much (worded by another)





"... Amsoil

Amsoil actually makes some very good products. The negative image of Amsoil is due to their distribution method (MLM) and their marketing approach. If Amsoil products were competitively priced with Mobil 1 and other synthetics, and if I could buy them in a store, I would not hesitate to use their XL-7500 synthetic as opposed to Mobil 1. What upsets me about Amsoil is that they didn't disclose until recently (and then it was by accident) the real reason that their oils (except for XL-7500) are not API certified. In the past they came up with all sorts of bizarre excuses about the reason for their lack of API certification and this greatly contributed to the distrust that people have of the company... " Empahsis added And the huge profit margin.



I dont care how big the army of self promoters (in it for profit) they have. The product, for the most part, is substandard (lacking API certification)



As far as RedRam, he is correct, just becuase some company claims to have been the first. Who cares? Dodge invented the minivan, so are we all supposed to buy Minivans from Dodge only?



You have lame and worn out aguements for why we should profit yourself and the little army of Amsoil Dealers/users/promoters.



I meet MANY others who feel as I do (because of constant questioning of using any NON API certified oil).



You cant win this based on "who was first" "who has been in business 25 yrs" or "who is TOO GOOD to meet the minimum API standard.



http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Problems with Coffee

 

[Sled Puller]

Wow. Change some of the names, and almost the identical posts from the old Oil Wars.



I see the same old pattern.



Someone asks a simple question about synthetics.

Several people answer with their exprience, good or bad, but mostly good.



Suddenly, a synthetic hater pops up, and makes a few remarks that basically inform the synthetics users they are idiots.



Amsoilman very calmy defends the users with facts.



Then, just like the old days, Texas Diesel and redram show up and attack everything about Amsoil. Page after page. Same old tired anti-synthetic, ant-marketing arguments (that claim they have nothing to do with oil companies, and much more educated then us simpletons )that don't hold sand. Yawn.



Bottom line, Amsoil works, and does everything they say it will. Just the facts boys, sorry if you can't stand them. Let it go.

 

[GregReynolds]

Also, consider that the typical life of your Cummins engine is around 300,000 miles. By that time the body of the truck will likely be falling off your truck anyway. [/QUOTE]



My '92 CTD has over 300,000 and still looks great!