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apparently your not familar with the 6. 6/7. 8 engines. they were built in brazil in ford plants, and sold in ford mediums and tractors in the u. s. sort of like the 5. 9 cummins engines built in nuess germany , and sold in case ih tractors like my 5240. why didnt ford use the 6. 6 or 7. 8 in their pickup's? they will not fit under the hood of pickups because they are real medium duty engines. a little to tall,long and heavy. ford produced many good tractor engines as well. now considering this heritage, i would say they have a little more insight as to what it takes to produce a good pickup diesel, as to opposed to someone like chrysler who to my knowledge has never produced a diesel of any type. and for the record ford has turned out some fine gasser's as well. personally i will/do drive all three brands and have done so for at least the last 20 years, gas and diesel, they all have had some winners, some loosers and some so so engines and vehicles. anyone wants to be close minded about what they drive, thats their buisness and in my opinion some times their loss. having said this, the sarcastic spewing of mis information and close mindedness really does get old sometimes.
 
In general, diesel engines used in heavy or medium-duty commercial and industrial use - tractors, generators, loaders and such, make a pretty decent proving grounds for engines also used in highway vehicles - they HAVE to be reliable under a far larger span of operating conditions than most lighter vehicles will ever see. And that has been one of the best proving grounds for the Cummins, that sees considerable use in exactly those environments.



And yeah - lets indeed hope Ford DOES hit a home run with their new diesel - as was pointed out earlier - Ford could easily be the LAST traditional USA maker of our trucks... :p
 
apparently your not familar with the 6. 6/7. 8 engines. they were built in brazil in ford plants, and sold in ford mediums and tractors in the u. s. sort of like the 5. 9 cummins engines built in nuess germany , and sold in case ih tractors like my 5240. why didnt ford use the 6. 6 or 7. 8 in their pickup's? they will not fit under the hood of pickups because they are real medium duty engines. a little to tall,long and heavy. ford produced many good tractor engines as well. now considering this heritage, i would say they have a little more insight as to what it takes to produce a good pickup diesel, as to opposed to someone like chrysler who to my knowledge has never produced a diesel of any type. and for the record ford has turned out some fine gasser's as well. personally i will/do drive all three brands and have done so for at least the last 20 years, gas and diesel, they all have had some winners, some loosers and some so so engines and vehicles. anyone wants to be close minded about what they drive, thats their buisness and in my opinion some times their loss. having said this, the sarcastic spewing of mis information and close mindedness really does get old sometimes.

This IS a site for Dodge-Cummins owners. I grow tired of people bragging about the merits of furds or gms. If you don't like what I write about your furds, try going over to the furd sites where you and they can happily brag about furds.
 
i dont recall reading anywhere on this site that you had to be strictly a dodge owner to be a member. fact is there are categories on here that deal with other vehicles also. "general diesel topics come to mind", fact is when i open up the quaterly issue of the tdr, i see sections that often deal with ford,gm and other vehicles. seems to me like any other site, folks come here for information, not sarcasim and biased comment's . had i listened to sarcasim, i would have never bought my first dodge to begin with. for the record i have never been asked why the hell did you buy a ford/gm truck, i have several times got that question about my dodges. i have always followed your writeups in the tdr, and many of your post. most often i agree/respect them them. having said this i believe like some folks you have a real problem with someone disagreeing with you, and thats ok too. the real problem comes when i get a rude comment, or one thats not factual. i base what i type on first hand experience, experience that most often comes from owning these vehicles and useing them daily in a work enviroment, can you make that statement? some food for thought. on another post i write that i prefer in most cases a 454gm engine over a 460 ford engine, you were just the opposite. kinda disputes what you say about my feelings on fords dont it?
 
I have to agree with Harvey, TDR is primarily a Dodge Cummins web site. Sure, it allows members to talk about other brands of vehicle and engines, like Ford Cummins conversions. I do not believe that the intent of TDR is about bragging about other brands. If you were at a Sony convention and the discussion was about Sony LCD flat screen TV's, it wouldn't go over too good if someone stood up and was boosting about how great Panasonic flat screen TV's are.



I believe what you are going to find here is that Dodge folks are a bit sensitive and loyal to Dodge and Cummins and firmly believe that there is simply nothing else out there worth talking about.



Bragging rights about Ford belong on Diesel Forum - The Diesel Stop.com. You never see anyone on the diesel stop bragging about Dodge engines. It's not that we are close minded about Ford, it's just that we don't have use for them and prefer to talk about Dodge and Cummins.



Try to understand the concept, it's just human nature.
 
JUeckert;... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..... anyone wants to be close minded about what they drive said:
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Is that what you consider disagreeing with someone?

I disagreed with you in an earlier post. Your reply is quoted above.

Disagreeing with YOU seems to make YOU very angry. Misinformation is when I disagree with you, right?
 
WELL, I really don't have a dog in this fight - and I own 2 vehicles currently - and am totally happy with both! One is my '02 Dodge truck, the other, is my wife's '05 Ford escape. They both do what they were bought for, and quite capably. Personally, I am a car nut - and while I joined THIS group for the specific info it provided on my Dodge - first the '91, and now, the '02 - I am ALSO still interested in at least a token bit of related info on other makes, and I don't feel in the slightest threatened when I read good reports related to Ford or GM vehicles - and yes, if I wanted DETAILED info on them, I'd go directly to the appropriate board to get that info.



All that said, and assuming we're pretty much all mature adults here, doesn't it seem a bit foolish and juvenile to sit back with a smug, self-satisfied grin when we hear BAD stuff about some other make, and then jump in with abundant vocal digs of our own to trash that other brand - but THEN get all :( :mad: #@$%! when some guy like me, makes an off-hand positive comment about one of his OTHER vehicles of another brand that he is pleased with?



It sure seems that way to me... ;)



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I own 3 Dodges a 1966 power wagon and a 2000 2500 diesel and a 2005 3500 diesel I also own a 72 GMC and a 94 Honda Accord. I have had great luck with all but my 3500 which in stock trim seems to need a turbo every oil change.

I had planned on buying a new 2500 dodge this year but I will probably opt for the Ford 250 as Ford has taken less of my tax dollars Than Chevy or Dodge and has had 0 Govt intervention ( NO mandated closing of Ford Dealerships).

I work for a large Electric utilty and am deeply involved with the Fleet Purchasing Dept.

We ordered 6 new bucket Trucks on Dodge 5500 4x4 Chasis. When the Builder saw that we were using the Dodge Chasis they told us that they would have to charge and additional $1700 per unit for reninforcement because the Dodge Frame would not support the unit But What do know the Ford would.

I like the cummins motor but I have to look at trucks as a whole and as a whole the Ford units are more readily useable than either Dodge or Chevy Heavier Frames, Axles and built in outfitter swtches and a built in brake controller do you need a backup cam they have that too. Lets not forget locking hubs so the front axle doesn't turn all the time.

And for Ther record my next heavy duty truck (3500 replacement) will be a 7400 series International
 
Why would we care what engines Furd sold in Brazil or what tractor engines Furd sold?



If they were good why didn't Furd put them in the Furd pickups of recent years?
lets put this in simpler terms that maybe everyone can understand. in post #10 i listed engines that were built by ford and sold in their tractor and medium trucks. in the post that i'am now quoteing you make a remark as to why, well just re read the quote. in my next to last post #20 i think, i clarified that these engine were being used in this country, and ford has the heritage to produce a quality diesel. what part of these post's do you not understand? i'am not angry on this end yet, but i have a feeling that your mighty word has been challenged and you are the one with his underwear in a twist. now what is it that pisses you off, someone disagreeing with you, or the fact you dont have the first hand knowledge to comment on the subject? now seeing someone started this topic to begin with, and it is in the "general diesels topic", whats the issue? read the sig below, i have three dodge diesels, + a gm truck that i converted to a cummins, and have had three other dodge diesel's in the past . now considering the work enviroment that i put my trucks through, [all 3 brands] and the fact that i offer a unbiased opinion on how they hold/held up, who do you think most members want to hear from? personally i want to hear from the one that tells me how they like what they drive, how it performs, whats gone wrong with it, and what was the reason. i would like to know this before i plunk down a bunch of dough, and a guy thats only gives me a onesided story is of little use to me, no matter what brand he drives. i paid close attention to the writeups in the tdr about your new truck , because i have intentions on buying another new one in 2010[ dodge/ford] but after the tone's you have set with this thread, and the constant powerstroke trashing you do, i'am really wondering if your assement of anything is worth considering. .
 
I have to agree with Harvey, TDR is primarily a Dodge Cummins web site. Sure, it allows members to talk about other brands of vehicle and engines, like Ford Cummins conversions. I do not believe that the intent of TDR is about bragging about other brands. If you were at a Sony convention and the discussion was about Sony LCD flat screen TV's, it wouldn't go over too good if someone stood up and was boosting about how great Panasonic flat screen TV's are.



I believe what you are going to find here is that Dodge folks are a bit sensitive and loyal to Dodge and Cummins and firmly believe that there is simply nothing else out there worth talking about.



Bragging rights about Ford belong on Diesel Forum - The Diesel Stop.com. You never see anyone on the diesel stop bragging about Dodge engines. It's not that we are close minded about Ford, it's just that we don't have use for them and prefer to talk about Dodge and Cummins.



Try to understand the concept, it's just human nature.
grizzly, the diesel stop quote is wrong. i have been a member there as long as i have here. i dont visit their often anymore, because for some reason it takes so long for things over there to pull up on my computer. i contribute it to all the advertising and such that they have added in the last year or so, but thats neither here nor there. i can assure you, i as well as a few others [some strictly ford owners] defended b. s nonsense spewed about dodges or their engines on more then one ocassion. and yes you are somewhat correct; it human nature for many. everyone wants to believe they spent their hard earned money well when they bought what they bought. .
 
Ueckert,

You didn't read any angry insulting posts written by me or even any anger expressed toward anyone by me.

I will continue to bash Furd 6. 0s anytime I feel like it. If you don't approve, well, I guess some of the old sayings apply. Pick one.

You seem to be having a big argument with an imaginary other poster. What's up with you? Are you mad because I didn't seem to be impressed with all your rambling opinions about Furds, GMs, and other uninteresting engines that few if any here on TDR have ever owned or care to own?

Wow, you own a lot of trucks! How's that? Do I seem impressed now? Make you feel better?
 
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grizzly, the diesel stop quote is wrong. i have been a member there as long as i have here. i dont visit their often anymore, because for some reason it takes so long for things over there to pull up on my computer. i contribute it to all the advertising and such that they have added in the last year or so, but thats neither here nor there. i can assure you, i as well as a few others [some strictly ford owners] defended b. s nonsense spewed about dodges or their engines on more then one ocassion. and yes you are somewhat correct; it human nature for many. everyone wants to believe they spent their hard earned money well when they bought what they bought. .







I have never had a GM truck and have never had any desire to own one, diesel of gas. I have had two Furds, which left a bad thorn on my side and never care to have another, even if they're the last one standing.



I like Toyota trucks and would consider having one if they were big enough and strong enough with a in-line diesel engine to pull my Fox 5er. Before the economy went south, it looked like Toyota would have one. That idea must have got shelved.



As far as I'm concerned, nothing even comes close to a Dodge with a Cummins diesel.
 
Ueckert,



You didn't read any angry insulting posts written by me or even any anger expressed toward anyone by me.



I will continue to bash Furd 6. 0s anytime I feel like it. If you don't approve, well, I guess some of the old sayings apply. Pick one.



You seem to be having a big argument with an imaginary other poster. What's up with you? Are you mad because I didn't seem to be impressed with all your rambling opinions about Furds, GMs, and other uninteresting engines that few if any here on TDR have ever owned or care to own?



Wow, you own a lot of trucks! How's that? Do I seem impressed now? Make you feel better?
more of that sarcasim i see, is that really the best you can turn out? i could care less if your impressed or not. as anyone can see by your post in this thread, and in other threads, you seem to have issues with anything that is not dodge, or more specificly not a cummins. thats your buisness, but dont send your little attitude my way because i disagree with you or prove a point on this or any other subject . the 454/460 debate comes to mind on the gm discontinues the medium truck thread. some points i would like to make before i put this little debate you started to rest. first, this thread was in reference to fords new diesel. if this twisted your panties, why did you save the sarcasim for me, and not the person who started the thread. second, this thread was started about a ford diesel, not powerstrokes, which are international diesels. no sarcasim here, but you like nearly everyone on here knows that. third, i will say it again, this is the general diesel forum. 4th , no one has said anything about the 6. 0 in this thread, yet you bring it up as i though i'am a big supporter of this engine. anyone can go back and chk my post's over the last 3 years and find i have little love for that engine, and i rarely support it . there are many happy 6. 0 owners out there, yet there are some very unhappy ones as well. lastly , i will say it again. my experience with these vehicles comes from owning them, working them, and sometimes having to work on them or others like them. where does your vast OPINIONS on fords, gm's and v8 engines come from? btw; i'am not much of a duramax fan, i have only put a handfull of miles on one and was pleased with it's performance under load. i read in a lot of magazines that it's doing very well in the pulling,raceing and dyno runs. sorta shoots your theroy about a short stroke v8 diesel all to he** dont it...
 
Why would we care what engines Furd sold in Brazil or what tractor engines Furd sold?

If they were good why didn't Furd put them in the Furd pickups of recent years?

I went back and reread all the posts on this thread. This post quoted above was my second post on this thread and the only one that even came near your posts. It is apprently the one that set off your outrage.

YOU have a problem!
 
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the man who designed the engine..... can you think of a better source?

Please share with us this man's name, the name(s) of the company/companies he owns or works for, and his educational background. Also, please provide the links or references to his written works. Is he a close buddy of yours?

Sounds real odd that this guy who appears to be your personal friend designed the Navistar 6. 0 engine as well as Ford's new in-house V8 diesel engine.
 
this thread was started about a ford diesel, not powerstrokes, which are international diesels.



Just an FYI to anybody, Powerstroke can be any engine Ford deems up to the name. Its a Ford name, not an International name. The next Ford diesel may be called a 6. 7 Powerstroke; up to Ford on that one. And I would almost guess the name will carry over; why would they call it a Scorpion... wheres the connection for the general public between a diesel and a scorpion??
 
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