Fords New Diesel

[AClayton]

Just an FYI to anybody, Powerstroke can be any engine Ford deems up to the name. Its a Ford name, not an International name. The next Ford diesel may be called a 6. 7 Powerstroke; up to Ford on that one. And I would almost guess the name will carry over; why would they call it a Scorpion... wheres the connection for the general public between a diesel and a scorpion??

With all the aformentioned 'trouble' that Ford has had with the Powerstroke in the past,I sincerely doubt that any marketing firm would label a new in-house diesel with the same name..... that would be dumb. That would be like McDonalds marketing the Big Mac for the last 6 yrs. and the general public absolutely hating the sandwich... . including bad press from agencies that have held taste tests,Movies made to contradict the burger and whatever else the media can do to 'Slam' McDonalds for making such an awful sandwich. Low and behold,McDonalds comes out with a new burger to offer to the general public... . this sandwich is great!!It boasts twin patties,bacon and fresh veggies:-lafOh boy!!McDonalds is on its way to the top now fella's... . this new sandwich is going to bring us back on top again!!



Let's call it the... ... the... . THE..... BIG MAC!!!:-laf:-laf:-laf





Come on man... . why would Ford call this new in-house diesel a Powerstroke!!



Alan

 

[Grizzly]

With all the aformentioned 'trouble' that Ford has had with the Powerstroke in the past,I sincerely doubt that any marketing firm would label a new in-house diesel with the same name..... that would be dumb. That would be like McDonalds marketing the Big Mac for the last 6 yrs. and the general public absolutely hating the sandwich... . including bad press from agencies that have held taste tests,Movies made to contradict the burger and whatever else the media can do to 'Slam' McDonalds for making such an awful sandwich. Low and behold,McDonalds comes out with a new burger to offer to the general public... . this sandwich is great!!It boasts twin patties,bacon and fresh veggies:-lafOh boy!!McDonalds is on its way to the top now fella's... . this new sandwich is going to bring us back on top again!!



Let's call it the... ... the... . THE..... BIG MAC!!!:-laf:-laf:-laf





Come on man... . why would Ford call this new in-house diesel a Powerstroke!!



Alan

They could call it PowerJoke #4.

 

['strokeThis_'07]

With all the aformentioned 'trouble' that Ford has had with the Powerstroke in the past,I sincerely doubt that any marketing firm would label a new in-house diesel with the same name..... that would be dumb. That would be like McDonalds marketing the Big Mac for the last 6 yrs. and the general public absolutely hating the sandwich... . including bad press from agencies that have held taste tests,Movies made to contradict the burger and whatever else the media can do to 'Slam' McDonalds for making such an awful sandwich. Low and behold,McDonalds comes out with a new burger to offer to the general public... . this sandwich is great!!It boasts twin patties,bacon and fresh veggies:-lafOh boy!!McDonalds is on its way to the top now fella's... . this new sandwich is going to bring us back on top again!!



Let's call it the... ... the... . THE..... BIG MAC!!!:-laf:-laf:-laf





Come on man... . why would Ford call this new in-house diesel a Powerstroke!!



Alan

Ok, why wouldnt they? To the Ford faithful, the 7. 3 is the best engine ever. The 6. 0 "wasnt that bad" and the 6. 4 is obviously the most capable out-of-the-box for making power. So barring the 6. 0, Fords got a "long and varied history of successful diesels. " Again, this is from the obviously diluted eyes of Ford and the Ford faithful. I could EASILY see them calling it a Powerstroke...



Now most people would agree with you. But Ford folks just dont think logically. Ive seen guys that bought a 6. 0 in 03, had major problems, got an 04, had problems, traded in on an 05,... you see where this is going. They just keep trading in one POS for another. And ask any one of them, and theyll tell you they havent had any issues. But reality is they have. Or theyll say Ford fixed the problems (they didnt) or that the issues really werent all that bad or prevalent. Think like a Ford guy and youll see why they very likely could call it a Powerstroke

 

[HBarlow]

Ok, why wouldnt they? To the Ford faithful, the 7. 3 is the best engine ever. The 6. 0 "wasnt that bad" and the 6. 4 is obviously the most capable out-of-the-box for making power. So barring the 6. 0, Fords got a "long and varied history of successful diesels. " Again, this is from the obviously diluted eyes of Ford and the Ford faithful. I could EASILY see them calling it a Powerstroke...

Now most people would agree with you. But Ford folks just dont think logically. Ive seen guys that bought a 6. 0 in 03, had major problems, got an 04, had problems, traded in on an 05,... you see where this is going. They just keep trading in one POS for another. And ask any one of them, and theyll tell you they havent had any issues. But reality is they have. Or theyll say Ford fixed the problems (they didnt) or that the issues really werent all that bad or prevalent. Think like a Ford guy and youll see why they very likely could call it a Powerstroke

I agreed with Alan until you explained it from the point of view of a Furd buyer. I've read a lot of posts written by Furd owners that explained it exactly as you did.

Now I agree with you. It makes perfect (non)sense to name the new Furd "Powerstroke" as well. It is a little hard for a normal guy to understand the Furd buyer but I get it now.

 

[AClayton]

Ok, why wouldnt they? To the Ford faithful, the 7. 3 is the best engine ever. The 6. 0 "wasnt that bad" and the 6. 4 is obviously the most capable out-of-the-box for making power. So barring the 6. 0, Fords got a "long and varied history of successful diesels. " Again, this is from the obviously diluted eyes of Ford and the Ford faithful. I could EASILY see them calling it a Powerstroke...



Now most people would agree with you. But Ford folks just dont think logically. Ive seen guys that bought a 6. 0 in 03, had major problems, got an 04, had problems, traded in on an 05,... you see where this is going. They just keep trading in one POS for another. And ask any one of them, and theyll tell you they havent had any issues. But reality is they have. Or theyll say Ford fixed the problems (they didnt) or that the issues really werent all that bad or prevalent. Think like a Ford guy and youll see why they very likely could call it a Powerstroke

I am not a Ford hater by a long shot and I realize that the 7. 3 is a strong and reliable performer. I also know that Ford folks,just like Cummins owners all have their strong willed supporters. I have friends with 6. 0's and have had very good luck with their truck because they choose to BOMB responsibly. Big difference between Cummins and Powerstrokes is our engines are medium-duty truck engines.



I read in other forums,just like you do,and notice that the younger crowd is all about purchasing what I call the 'easy' power. The little boxes that reflash the computer and change timing and rail pressure and whatever else to claim the highest hp and tq. Diesel owners of today want to make big power and rarely pay attention to the important stuff. The 6. 0 seems to be reliable when it is de-fueled and modded carefully. Like I said,my friends truck is very fast and has been reliable. Will it 400K,500K or 700K like my truck... . doubt it!It will solidly hands-down out perform mine in a drag race and my truck is no slouch,But,hooked to a heavy trailer and heading to the mountains will leave him wishing he had more pulling power.



These trucks are tools... use the correct tool for the job!!The new Cummins owners are having good luck with their trucks when used as intended... . towing and hauling!Again,the correct tool for the job. The choking EPA may have ultimately stumbled on a solution to our age old problem of buyers buying what they think they need... . a diesel truck. When in reality,a gas truck would have pulled their 20' boat with ease. Eventually,truck buyers that use their trucks for getting groceries with EPA infested equip. will give up and purchase the truck they need... a gasser!Leave the heavy hauling to the 6. 7Cummins or Scorpion





You are replacing the spark plug in your lawnmower... . you don't reach for 3/4 drive socket set... . you reach for the tool you need



Alan

 

[JUeckert]

Just an FYI to anybody, Powerstroke can be any engine Ford deems up to the name. Its a Ford name, not an International name. The next Ford diesel may be called a 6. 7 Powerstroke; up to Ford on that one. And I would almost guess the name will carry over; why would they call it a Scorpion... wheres the connection for the general public between a diesel and a scorpion??

is it possible that ford will call their new diesel the powerstroke, guess it could happen. but the fact remains, this thread was started about FORDS new diesel, the one that they build . this new diesel has been labeled the scorpion since the begining, and for well over a year now. trucks are slated to hit the lot's at the end of the year. some folks will buy them because they are fords, some because they ford has lead diesel sales since they started selling back in 83, some because they want the lateset and greatest thing, some want buy until the engine is proven, some want buy at all. seeing how the powerstroke [ fords trademark] has been teemed to the international line , i would guess that the name will not carry over. other points: cobra,magnum,duster,vortec,lightning etc; where have these names had any connection to a vehicle or engine?

 

[MShaheen]

Please share with us this man's name, the name(s) of the company/companies he owns or works for, and his educational background. Also, please provide the links or references to his written works. Is he a close buddy of yours?



Sounds real odd that this guy who appears to be your personal friend designed the Navistar 6. 0 engine as well as Ford's new in-house V8 diesel engine.

lol, i never said he was my personal friend. If you walk up to the president and he tells you something... ... does that mean he is now your personal friend?

 

[HBarlow]

No, it wouldn't but I've never "walked up to" any president of any company or the US, if that's what you meant. Have you?

When someone makes a bold statement such as "the guy who designed the engines said" the 6. 0 was 115% overengineered that's called using a straw man expert to express an opinion. If you had said you think it was overengineered we would decide what your credentials are to make such a claim. If you offer that opinion as one coming from an expert, it is expected that you would identify the expert and suggest your connection to him.

Most of us don't know a design engineer who even worked on a team within a major car or engine company. When you claim you heard such claims from the guy who designed not one but two engines and the engines are known to be sourced from two very different companies it makes us wonder if your statement is credible.

It's not a big deal. I disagree with whoever made the claim. The Navistar/Furd engine may be overengineered if you mean it is far too complex and too unreliable, I agree. Usually the term "overengineered" refers to an engine like the Cummins ISB which is far stronger, much more durable, and offers far more longevity than is actually required in a light truck application like our Rams.

The Furd, on the other hand, is an unreliable and short-lived piece of crap that is guaranteed to fail if used hard for towing.

 

[Grizzly]

No, it wouldn't but I've never "walked up to" any president of any company or the US, if that's what you meant. Have you?



When someone makes a bold statement such as "the guy who designed the engines said" the 6. 0 was 115% overengineered that's called using a straw man expert to express an opinion. If you had said you think it was overengineered we would decide what your credentials are to make such a claim. If you offer that opinion as one coming from an expert, it is expected that you would identify the expert and suggest your connection to him.



Most of us don't know a design engineer who even worked on a team within a major car or engine company. When you claim you heard such claims from the guy who designed not one but two engines and the engines are known to be sourced from two very different companies it makes us wonder if your statement is credible.



It's not a big deal. I disagree with whoever made the claim. The Navistar/Furd engine may be overengineered if you mean it is far too complex and too unreliable, I agree. Usually the term "overengineered" refers to an engine like the Cummins ISB which is far stronger, much more durable, and offers far more longevity than is actually required in a light truck application like our Rams.



The Furd, on the other hand, is an unreliable and short-lived piece of crap that is guaranteed to fail if used hard for towing.

Harvey, it's obvious that MShaheen doesn't have clue what he's talking about. I doubt that he even knows what an Engineer does.

 

[AClayton]

lol, i never said he was my personal friend. If you walk up to the president and he tells you something... ... does that mean he is now your personal friend?

No! not at all..... but even you have to admit that you made an extremely bold statement and furthermore,attached a number to it. When you gave the percentage,you were instantly linked to the bold statement with your 'friends' number.



Besides,there is more to a design than how much power 'it puts down' in stock trim. There are many other things engineers consider when they design an engine. I am not an engineer,so I won't speculate... . but there are several on this site.



Alan

 

[HBarlow]

Harvey, it's obviously that MShaheen doesn't have clue what he's talking about. I doubt that he even knows what an Engineer does.

Yeah, I'm afraid so. I don't think he was aware of how some of us would react to the statement he made.

 

[KLauber]

10 minutes lost.....

Yeah, I'm afraid so. I don't think he was aware of how some of us would react to the statement he made.

Just drank a cup of joe while readin bout Furds and such amongst all you knowledgeable dudes, what else could I do? But digressing a bit, Harvey I sent you a PM regarding towing questions, do you do PMs on this site?



Ken

 

[HBarlow]

Just drank a cup of joe while readin bout Furds and such amongst all you knowledgeable dudes, what else could I do? But digressing a bit, Harvey I sent you a PM regarding towing questions, do you do PMs on this site?

Ken

Sure, I get them fairly often. Always answer questions if I can, or admit I don't know if I have to. I don't think I got one but I'll go look again.

 

[HBarlow]

Ken,

I just went to the user control panel and looked. I don't have a PM from you.

Resend it if you wish and I'll answer it if I can.

 

[KLauber]

Ken,



I just went to the user control panel and looked. I don't have a PM from you.



Resend it if you wish and I'll answer it if I can.

It was about towing and such, gimme a few mins to resend...



Ken

 

[hammersley]

For once I agree with Harvey........

Man that was hard to type -laf)..... only kidding... ... BUT if what you say is so true... WHY did they not take any of this freaking Experience and put it into one of those Diesel Engines in their NEW 650-750 Truck??? If you note the ONLY ENGINE available is - Oh Oh... An ISB..... from NOT FORD... ...

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[LRutigliano]

Good for Ford. They realized what POSes the IH engines are and said "screw it, we can do better" and then had the wherewithall to make it happen. It takes alot of money, resources, time and perserverence to do what they are doing. I'm proud of them for that.



The Scorpion name is cool. Way better than Powerstroke.



Ford makes a decent V8 gasser, so hopefully they are using some of that experience. The "puny" 4. 6 315hp in the Mustang ate up the 6. 2 425hp Camaro and the 5. 7 390hp Challenger in the latest Car & Driver.



Also, I have a friend with a 99 Expedition with the 4. 6 with 190k miles and its still running fine. Engine has never been touched.



Ford needs the Scorpion to be a home run, hopefully its all they claim and more for all of our sakes...

 

[HBarlow]

Thanks for agreeing with me,even if its only one time, Hammersley.

Maybe it's just too early for Ford to put their new in-house diesel in their MDT line. Perhaps their goal is to use their own engine in a future model year when it's available.

 

[JUeckert]

Man that was hard to type -laf)..... only kidding... ... BUT if what you say is so true... WHY did they not take any of this freaking Experience and put it into one of those Diesel Engines in their NEW 650-750 Truck??? If you note the ONLY ENGINE available is - Oh Oh... An ISB..... from NOT FORD... ...



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go back a year, two or four, and you will find the cummins, cat and powerstroke engine as options. the cummins engine has been the base line engine option for for mediums since 1993 , when there own inhouse 6. 6/7. 8 engines were dropped for emission reasons. for several years the cummins was the only engine option they had. latter the 7. 3 and cat engine's became options also. now that ford and international has parted way's on ford useing the powerstroke engine, and cat has pulled their engine line from on highway use[emission reasons] , ford is now back to only having the cummins. the new scorpion hasnt made it to the light duty segment yet, so it stands to reason it wouldnt be in the mediums either. with the aluminum heads it supposedly has, i wouldnt want it in a medium truck.

 

['strokeThis_'07]

I agreed with Alan until you explained it from the point of view of a Furd buyer. I've read a lot of posts written by Furd owners that explained it exactly as you did.



Now I agree with you. It makes perfect (non)sense to name the new Furd "Powerstroke" as well. It is a little hard for a normal guy to understand the Furd buyer but I get it now.

Thanks. Atleast someone got what I was saying. I mean, they can call it whatever they want, I wont buy one. Would it make sense to call it a Powerstroke? No, but yes at the same time. Thats all guys.



All I care is the engine under my DODGE hood says Cummins, and Im as happy as can be