Ford's new engine...6.7ltr

[Wingate]

Yep. Damn near twins

Come on man...

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... you gotta be kidding me

hahah... no really, to me, they look alot alike. Don't aske me why, but to me they share alot of similarities.

 

[JUeckert]

From what Ive seen of the new 2010 Dodge, the front end looks ALOT like the new Ford front end... And I personally like both of them... I would love to see the Cummins option in BOTH the Ford and Dodge... then we would REALLY get a good truck!. Although I DO agree with what somebody else said about marker lights over the headlights..... That just ain't right!!!!...



I agree with Harvey on the inline vs. v config. issue. When comparing similar displacement engines in modern applications, the inline engine is going to create peak torque at a lower RPM than a typical v configuration. More specifically, in the case of our Cummins I-6 engines, its a true industrial bottom end that was being used in genset applications many years before in got stuffed in a Dodge, it has a heritage. When I get my 94 model disassembled, I will do some measuring to be sure, but I'm almost positive that this little engine will have a very decent rod ratio, which FUTHER helps the engine create peak torque at low rpm. I suspect the 6. 0 and 6. 4... and 6. 6 d-max does not.

I DO drive a 6. 6 d-maxwith 19. 5 Michelins and 4:88 gearset. After years of testing, I feel FULLY qualified to comment on this, The engine makes ABSOLUTELY NO bottom end torque!... When i make it to about 2400rpm, the engine finally shows a sign of life then has to upshift at 3100rpm. I have driven an almost identical truck with a manual trans. and OMG!, I thought the automatic was bad..... you have to slip the clutch so much to get the truck going, that I got passed by a SMELL driving into a head-wind!.

I will say, that although not a "speed engine", the old 6. 9, 7. 3, and 7. 3 Powerstroke were very durable and dependable engines. Too bad they don't build them anymore...

no one is saying the cummins is not makeing good lowend trq. i stated that the v8's can do that as well. i cant speak for a duramax, but i can the 7. 3 and earlier gm diesel's. since you claim to drive a truck with 19. 5 tires also, i ask you to take a measurement on those tires as well as any other truck you can find that has 235-85-16 tires. maybe another person posting their finding's will clarify the tire debate. as for the ability of a manual tran ford not being able to take off in first without giveing it the pedal, i issue this challenge. we both live in or near marshall tx. i will meet you anywhere with my truck, empty or pulling a trailer. if the truck cant launch in first gear without some pedal, i will by you a steak dinner! come back to this site and post your findings, whatever the results. meet me period, and i may buy your lunch just for your troubles. . deal?

 

['strokeThis_'07]

Well heres a vid of the 2011 Ford... might have to suffer through a 50sec. Bilstein ad first #@$%!



2011 Ford Super Duty F-450 King Ranch Pickup - Car Videos on StreetFire

 

[Wingate]

For what its worth, my brand new Michelin 14 ply traction tires measure 31 and 3/4 inches. I don't own a truck with 16" wheels, maybe you can run down to wallyworld tomorrow and find one in the parking lot to measure. It all the way across town for me, and I'm headed toward Dallas tomorrow.

I really don't care whether any engine can pull away at idle, personally when I let out on the clutch, I'm ready to go, not idle. There are so many factors that can skew that test, that it really isnt feasable to attempt. About the only way I could think to make that test somewhat accurate would be to have two trucks loaded with the same weight, and side-step the clutch and see what happens. No slow release, just side step it and see if it dies... . Of course, that still wouldn't take up the mechanical differences, but it would take the human part out of the equation. My comments were directed more toward the fundamental design differences between the Cummins inline industrial engine and the lighter weight designs of Ford/Navistar and GM/Isuzu. I too am a big fan of the 7. 3L PSD, it was a great engine that is still sought after today... . like I stated in an earlier post,, too bad they didn't make small changes and keep that engine.

As for the steak dinner, WHERE do you find a decent steak in Marshall????. . About the only two places I've found to eat in the past 8 years have been Bodacious BBQ and Homero's Mexican rest.

 

[HBarlow]

Internet forums are often populated with folks who don't know the difference between fact and opinion and for whom facts don't really mean very much. I usually figure out who has true information and who simply posts personal opinions which are mostly inaccurate and ignore them.

 

[JUeckert]

For what its worth, my brand new Michelin 14 ply traction tires measure 31 and 3/4 inches. I don't own a truck with 16" wheels, maybe you can run down to wallyworld tomorrow and find one in the parking lot to measure. It all the way across town for me, and I'm headed toward Dallas tomorrow.

I really don't care whether any engine can pull away at idle, personally when I let out on the clutch, I'm ready to go, not idle. There are so many factors that can skew that test, that it really isnt feasable to attempt. About the only way I could think to make that test somewhat accurate would be to have two trucks loaded with the same weight, and side-step the clutch and see what happens. No slow release, just side step it and see if it dies... . Of course, that still wouldn't take up the mechanical differences, but it would take the human part out of the equation. My comments were directed more toward the fundamental design differences between the Cummins inline industrial engine and the lighter weight designs of Ford/Navistar and GM/Isuzu. I too am a big fan of the 7. 3L PSD, it was a great engine that is still sought after today... . like I stated in an earlier post,, too bad they didn't make small changes and keep that engine.

As for the steak dinner, WHERE do you find a decent steak in Marshall????. . About the only two places I've found to eat in the past 8 years have been Bodacious BBQ and Homero's Mexican rest.

thanks a lot friend, you just made me spit up my last swallow of tea on a nice white shirt , with you steak dinner comment. very true statment though! push comes to shove we can head over to longview if need be. thanks for the tire measurement , proves what i have been saying, the 19. 5 tires on my hd gmc and f450 are taller then the 16" tires on any of my 3/4 or 1 tons. as for the truck test, my thought's are to load a trailer and find a safe lot to use somewhere. get in, and simply dump the clutch, while never touching the fuel. if the truck bucks and trys to stall, then harveys statment is true. every last manual equipped truck in my sig can do this, regardless of terrain or conditions. brisk acceleration , and sometimes spinning tires is also doable. harvey, if you can find the key's on your computer, go over to www.gearvendors .com . they provide [nearly] all the transmission ratio's of auto's and manuals used by the big 3 in the last 20 years.

 

[FDavid]

Looks like Ford is finally admitting the navistar built powerstrokes wern't much good:-laf



Staright from the Ford website:

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[rbattelle]

Looks like Ford is finally admitting the navistar built powerstrokes wern't much good

If I were Navistar I'd be really mad.

So, if a company puts out junk, all the while proclaiming they are not junk, but are, in fact, the best you can buy, why in the world would anyone give them any credibility at all?

"We were lying before, but now we're telling the truth! We swear!".

Ryan

 

[mwilson]

I have a very trusted and intelligent Navistar Dealer that I do business with who claims the Navistar V-8 Diesel works great with proven reliability and longevity in a Navistar application. It is the alterations and bizarre equipment that Ford requires be added to that engine for use in their pick-ups that causes 90% of the trouble. Navistar should have withdrawn years ago from that partnership.

 

[Grizzly]

I have a very trusted and intelligent Navistar Dealer that I do business with who claims the Navistar V-8 Diesel works great with proven reliability and longevity in a Navistar application. It is the alterations and bizarre equipment that Ford requires be added to that engine for use in their pick-ups that causes 90% of the trouble. Navistar should have withdrawn years ago from that partnership.

I agree, it was Furd that was calling the shots about how they wanted the PowerJoke to be built. International Navistar have been around a long time and they do make good engines. Mostly Inline 6.

 

[HBarlow]

A fellow TDR member works for a company that owns a number of Sick. Ohh Navistars. I remember him reporting in the last few months that the Navistar tune of the Sick. Ohh was just as lousy as the uprated version in Furds.

 

[rbattelle]

I have a very trusted and intelligent Navistar Dealer that I do business with who claims the Navistar V-8 Diesel works great with proven reliability and longevity in a Navistar application.

VT365 Problems from TDR.

Similar evidence from a school bus forum.

More from the school bus forum.

Some comments over at TDS regarding VT365 / Ford 6. 0 in FedEx trucks.



I'm sure it's possible to find evidence to the contrary, but it wouldn't support my contention so I didn't bother looking.



Ryan

 

[Wingate]

All I know is that Toyota is going to put a Caterpillar engine in their 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks next year... I swear it... its true!!!. . I read it on the INTERNET. Oh, and Ford owns Cummins, too bad that Cummins had already signed that contract with Chrysler back in 1988 that they can't get out of,before Ford bought them, or the Fords would have Cummins in them!!. . And Fiat is merging with Isuzu to start using the Duramax in the new Ram truck. All the while, there has been industrial espianage over at Navistar and the "New Ford 6. 7L" is actually a . 030 overbored 6. 4L Warranty claim engine that was repaired!!. I caught a crew of illegal immigrants in the Navistar warranty claim center taking old 6. 4L PSD's and boring out the cylinder walls and reassembling them. They always blow up one turbo, thats why the new 6. 7L only has one turbo. (That all the good parts they had left)

So, in reality, the new 6. 7L Ford engine, is actually the newest line of Navistar PSD's. So, ya'll can all tell everybody you read it here first, i mean, it on the internet, so it MUST be true, RIGHT???????





Sorry, I think I forgot to take my meds today... Yesterday there were no beer bottles on the front porch... . this afternoon, there are 12 scattered on the porch... but I don't remember drinking any!!!

 

[HBarlow]

All I know is that Toyota is going to put a Caterpillar engine in their 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks next year... I swear it... its true!!!. . I read it on the INTERNET. Oh, and Ford owns Cummins, too bad that Cummins had already signed that contract with Chrysler back in 1988 that they can't get out of,before Ford bought them, or the Fords would have Cummins in them!!. . And Fiat is merging with Isuzu to start using the Duramax in the new Ram truck. All the while, there has been industrial espianage over at Navistar and the "New Ford 6. 7L" is actually a . 030 overbored 6. 4L Warranty claim engine that was repaired!!. I caught a crew of illegal immigrants in the Navistar warranty claim center taking old 6. 4L PSD's and boring out the cylinder walls and reassembling them. They always blow up one turbo, thats why the new 6. 7L only has one turbo. (That all the good parts they had left)
So, in reality, the new 6. 7L Ford engine, is actually the newest line of Navistar PSD's. So, ya'll can all tell everybody you read it here first, i mean, it on the internet, so it MUST be true, RIGHT???????


Sorry, I think I forgot to take my meds today... Yesterday there were no beer bottles on the front porch... . this afternoon, there are 12 scattered on the porch... but I don't remember drinking any!!!

No problem, your above post fits right in with a few other TDR members, even when they are taking their meds. The difference is you normally make sense, some rarely do.

 

[JUeckert]

I agree, it was Furd that was calling the shots about how they wanted the PowerJoke to be built. International Navistar have been around a long time and they do make good engines. Mostly Inline 6.

yes and no grizzly. international has produced many a fine engine, and some of the stuff on the 6. 0 was fords doing, or placed on the engine to pass emission's for ford. but the fact is, international built the engine knowing the type of market it was to be used in , ford trucks. logic would dictate the engine would have to compete with the competition, so the hp would have to be similar to the other two. ford didnt tell navistar to put only ten wimpy head bolt's on each head. this alone has created some of the issues in ford apps. turbo failures have occured in both ford and navistar apps, here again, ford didnt spec the turbo's.

 

[mwilson]

Holy ****!!! Back down guys, I was referring to the 6. 9L, 7. 3L and 9. 0L family of V-8 Navistar Diesels. I don't include the 6. 0L nor would I. I was not drinking either. :-laf:-laf

That is why I stated that Navistar should have gotten out long ago.

 

[Wingate]

No problem, your above post fits right in with a few other TDR members, even when they are taking their meds. The difference is you normally make sense, some rarely do.

HAHA... . Thanks. . I needed a good laugh this morning. . Harvey, I hope you didn't really understand any of that mindless babbling... If you did, that would tell me who stole the rest of my beer!!!. . As for the Ford owning Cummins, I actually had a service advisor at the local Ford house tell me that Ford owned Cummins... His rationality was that he read it on the internet!!!. . He went on to say that Dodge had Cummins locked into some "bulletproof" unbreakable contract (since 1988) and Ford couldn't get Cummins out of the contract...

Also, I work for a Caterpillar dealer and I get asked ALL the time about supposedly Cat is going to sell engines to Toyota, GM, Ford,... etc... these questions always start with... . "I read online where Caterpillar is ..... "... So I thought I'd just stir the pot a little... !!

 

[TFucili]

Holy ****!!! Back down guys, I was referring to the 6. 9L, 7. 3L and 9. 0L family of V-8 Navistar Diesels. I don't include the 6. 0L nor would I. I was not drinking either. :-laf:-laf

That is why I stated that Navistar should have gotten out long ago.

I owned two 6. 9s that were absolute disasters, and the 9 liter V-8 has to be one of the biggest turds ever produced, bar none. Everyone, and every company that I dealt with that had 9 liters in IH mediums had an absolute nightmare on their hands, pretty much like the 6. 0, but without the electronics. I don't think the 7. 3 IDI, or IDI Turbo were any prize either based on owners that I knew. I will say the 7. 3 Powerstroke was acceptable, but still no Cummins. They don't call them Intrashnational for nothing.

 

[mwilson]

I am surprised at that. Our experience with those motors was very positive. The 6. 9 and 7. 3 in the Ford Pick-Ups were very reliable other than the crap that Ford had added on. We serviced a large fleet of bucket and digger trucks with 9. 0 power and those things were tough. A lineman is about the most brutal equipment operator that I have been around. Even saw a couple get fried, tires blew off, etc. Didn't seem to bother the engine any either time.

Everyone has different experiences, in this case mine was positive. Some others were negative, I'm sure.

 

[rbattelle]

Ford posted some propaganda videos. From the same company who told us all how wonderful the 6. 0 and 6. 4 were, then turned around and sued the company that made them because they were so awful.



There's a brief underhood shot that looks just as crammed with stuff as the 6. 4l version.



All the talk about "durability" (250k mile design life), and not a single mention of serviceability.



Ryan