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SMOG CHECK - Coming to California January 1, 2010; Coming to Your State Soon?

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Robert,

Excellent information and summaries!

The official Kalifornia text and your interpretations and explanations don't mention roadside testing for non-Kalifornia residents traveling through the state.

Do you have information or an opinion as to how this might effect RVers (or commercial haulers) traveling through the state?
 
It helps to have a good friend at the smog check station! You would think that CA would have all of the kinks wirked out before requiring this procedure, but wait we need that extra revenue here in Cali!
 
When I lived in NY, we had diesel emission tests for a number of years. Only commercial vehicles over 8500# required testing. My 2500 was exempt as it was registered as a passenger vehicle. I had a 1988 7. 3, a 1990 Iveco, a 1996 Mitsubishi-Fuso, and a 2002 International. The lowest (newest) standard for opacity was 40%, which was measured with a snap test in neutral. As a point of reference, the IH, which was 466 powered, had no emission controls at all. Its opacity tested at less than 1%, and no, I didn't forget the zero. 70% opacity was permissible for older vehicles, I believe the cutoff date was somewhere around 1990. Either 40 or 70, you have a serious smoker on your hands. The biggest inconvenience was finding a diesel inspection station, as they are few and far between, and of course there is the added hassle of dropping of and picking up a vehicle for testing, as while-you-wait was not an option. Unless you have an engine that is heavily modified, or just about worn out, it will pass with no problem.
 
UTAH's crappy diesel emissions testing practice.

In the state of Utah, there are currently 3 counties that require a smog test on Diesels, and they have been doing the testing for several years. They put the truck on a Dyno, and run it up to 50 MPH, then load the dyno so there is 50 percent load on the truck. They then read the level of pc10's and if you are in compliance for the year truck you have, your good to go, otherwise get it fixed.

I can't find their (Utah) testing protocol anywhere. My stock 2001 6 speed fails opacity every time and it just depends on who is at the machine and what mood they're in as to whether they pass it or not ( I usually throw a new air cleaner on it after the first fail, then they usually wave it through... ).

Plus, they take the reading loaded down at about 1700 rpm on the manual trans. (6 speed). even I know the turbo's not even properly spooled then.

>>>>They do NOT know how to test a manual transmission HO Dodge w/4. 10 gears Cummins at the Kaysville Center!!!!!!!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I want to know NOW what their testing protocol is!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last year I changed the injection pump, and it ran a bit better (still always gets 18-22 mpg). But I still (again) saw the fail on their machine and they marked it as passed... ... ... Trust me, that ran a bit more than an air filter..... Plus my truck still doesn't smoke under normal driving.

This is absolutely a fraaaaakin Davis County Racket here in Utah.....

This is really crap.....

Oh yea,... . my wife's 99 auto always passes and the machine actually shows that properly.....

The test operators and process are pretty much what's at fault here, plus what's the possible altitude compensation here??

How can this be contested?
 
Again, note: 1998 and newer diesel vehicles.





Plea for help: If inspections and test have already been initiated in New York and Colorado (other states?) I would like to see factual correspondence from those members about the procedure.



thanks in advance.



Regards, Robert Patton



We lived in Tacoma Washington until November of 2006 and they have done diesel testing there for some time. They stick a sniffer in the tail pipe and do a "snap" type test. The good thing is you get to stay in the drivers seat. :) If you know how to drive you can pass with no problem. My good friend called me this fall saying he had failed. After some coaching and a 2x4 under the go pedal he went back and passed with flying colors. :D
 
As stated above, in Washington state it's old hat. Opacity is what is measured (up to 30), no under the hood check req'd. Marcos box at 1\2 power is the fix even with after-market injectors. I also unhooked the data cable from my EZ prior to testing. I have tested several times now & have passed with flying colors each time. The smoke eye-ball test is concerning however because it is subjective. I suspect someone in Cali will file suit on that however... . Time will tell!



Clay
 
Where I retired from the buses are subject to opacity tests which are measured by an approved device. I don't see how CARB can get away with the eyeball test here.
 
Arizona

In Maricopa and Pima Counties of Arizona, an inspection of light diesels has been in place for many years, since at least the late 1980s. The inspection may include certain northern, urban areas of Pinal County. Tucson is in Pima County. Metro Phoenix-Glendale-Mesa-Tempe is in Maricopa County, with a part of the far southeast valley in Pinal County.



I can only speak to what I have to get done. For my 1996 5 speed 4X4 3/4 ton truck, it's a snap idle test and an inspection under hood and of the fuel filler caps. (More about the cap inspection below. ) That's true for older diesels. I can't say what's done with newer models, if it's different.



I have had to get the snap idle opacity test done every year since I bought my truck new in 1996. (It may have just been a simple idle test for the first few years, but I can't recall for sure. ) It's one of the few tests where the state's emission testing contractor allows the owner to remain in the cab and actually control the fuel pedal. Actually, the owner must do the "foot work. " I suspect it is a liability issue.



The state's contractor has several testing stations scattered at fairly convenient locations. Depending on the local demographics, the multi-lane indoor testing stations will have one or two diesel testing bays. The contractor only does inspections. You pass or you don't. The state's contractor cannot do repairs, and thus has no financial incentive to artificially fail you and offer you a discount on repairs, then guarantee that you pass *only* if you get the repairs done there. If you fail, you get one free retest after you get the problem fixed. You can fix the problem yourself, or pay a facility to have it done. My truck has always passed.



The way it works is pretty simple. I drive onto the facility and drive up to what looks a lot like an airport parking lot gate. I push a button on the machine, and it gives me a bar coded ticket. The gate rises and I drive to the diesel lane. Sometimes I have to wait as much as 30 minutes. Usually, it's ten minutes or less. I get the inspection done in May or June, so the temperature outside is usually between 90F and 105F. Signs on the inspection building warn against overheating from idling, and idling with the air conditioning on. I find that my truck passes with a lower opacity if I let it idle with the air conditioning on. I augment that by turning on my exhaust brake to keep the EGT up. As I approach the head of the line, I lightly rest my foot on the fuel pedal to raise the idle to about 1,000 RPM to increase the EGTs a bit more. I have a 10 inch electric pusher fan just in front of the air conditioning condenser, which improves the air conditioning performance and overall cooling in stop and go summer driving in Phoenix. My truck has never even come close to overheating before or during the test.



When I reach the head of the line, I shut off the engine and the attendant (who is unfailingly polite) takes the bar coded ticket and my registration card. He or she compares the various VINs on the dashboard and door with the license number, and I hand them $28. They brief me on the test. Then the attendant inspects the fuel filler caps. I can't figure out why they do that, since the fuel tank system is vented, but I have never asked. The only time the caps ever got a second look was when the attendant was a Dodge enthusiast, and he had never seen the two-filler Transfer Flow aft-axle setup that I use. (Which, by the way, came with a CARB tag and number. Good job, Transfer Flow!)



One attendant wheels over an immense fan to blow air over the radiator, as if I was driving at about 40 MPH. The attendants then get out a nozzle and a hose large enough to go over the tailpipe. Then they hook up a test device that looks a lot like the wacky robots at Disney's Star Tours. They replace some sort of filter in the test sensor, and then hook the whole thing up while I sit in the cab.



Next comes the governor test. In neutral, I am instructed to press the fuel pedal to the floor to make sure that the governor keeps the engine below redline. I think that this part of the test is why the emissions contractor wants the owner in the driver seat.



The snap idle test follows. There is a video screen which will say "accelerate to maximum" and after a short time, it will say "return to idle. " There will be several cycles of this. The first few cycles will be sort of a dry run, in case there has been a cylinder temperature reduction while waiting. Then the real test will follow, usually after the engine has fully warmed up again. If the engine is running really clean, the dry run will serve as the actual test, and it will be over quickly. I've found that if get the inspection on a hot day, and if I idle with the air conditioning on, as I described above, I usually finish during the dry run.



There are occasional problems. None of the problems have caused me to fail, but they are amusing. If I follow, say, a fairly late model VW or Mercedes diesel, my truck's printout shows a very low opacity result. On one occasion, I followed an ancient calico-colored Ford diesel that was missing various body bits, and lightly smoking black at idle. That truck had Oklahoma license plates, a sooty bumper, and was obviously getting its first emissions test ever. It took several tries, and I don't know if the Ford passed at all. I know that the attendants cleaned out the sensors and put in new filters, but that test showed the highest Opacity result my truck ever had. It still passed, though. I might have been less than amused if my truck was high-mileage with marginal injectors, and that little extra carbon had put my test over the top.



I also find that when I am using the Cummins-Valvoline diesel additive sold by Geno's, the truck performs noticeably better on the test.



We lived in California when gasoline car testing began in about 1982. Then it was done by the same places that wanted to sell me a tune-up. I had a good relationship with an honest place in Riverside, so there I never had any trouble. When we moved to Arizona in 1985, we had to get all our cars tested every year. At first I was annoyed by it. But later I learned how to interpret the printed out test results and I was able to use them as a sort of condition report for how well my cars were running. The tests weren't terribly expensive. They still aren't.



My wife's 2007 Chrysler Town & Country with OBD II emission controls won't need an inspection for several years. I can't recall the exact number. Our 2001 PT Cruiser gets them every two years, I think. Our late 1993 Saturn SW2 got tested every year, and passed every year.



The bottom line is that I've never had a problem. I take something to read and just people-watch. But my truck is bone-stock and unmodified except for the aft-axle fuel tank, the Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and the exhaust brake. I've been told that turning up the fuel pump can cause snap idle problems, depending on how great the change has been.



As always, your mileage may vary. To sort of paraphrase Bob Patton--with apologies--in Arizona you can't become your own emissions station. :D
 
Well I have an 06, but I know people with 98 12V that are rather curious and cant find any hard data either way
 
You're exempt.



no he's not exempt. read the bar site i attached and let us know where you read that?? paveman is right. you really think these jerkoff's know the difference between a 12v or a 24v. even if they did this is about money.
 
Hope you're right.

I thought I read where it had to be electronically controlled. I'm sure they'll extend it to the 12v guys next. I hope for this guy's sake that you guys are wrong,but upon rereading the notice,it looks like 98 12 valves are included. Sucks all around. The subjective snap test is the scariest.
 
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Well im not to worried about the biannual the pump is easy enough to turn down, its the roadside test that will screw everyone over. I agree with the concept of having some sort of smog test since so many people love to smoke every single thing in sight, but feel that they should just look at the exhaust, if its clean and passes then call it good, dont look at the engine and every single component.
 
In Maricopa and Pima Counties of Arizona, an inspection of light diesels has been in place for many years, since at least the late 1980s. The inspection may include certain northern, urban areas of Pinal County. Tucson is in Pima County. Metro Phoenix-Glendale-Mesa-Tempe is in Maricopa County, with a part of the far southeast valley in Pinal County.



I can only speak to what I have to get done. For my 1996 5 speed 4X4 3/4 ton truck, it's a snap idle test and an inspection under hood and of the fuel filler caps. (More about the cap inspection below. ) That's true for older diesels. I can't say what's done with newer models, if it's different.



I have had to get the snap idle opacity test done every year since I bought my truck new in 1996. (It may have just been a simple idle test for the first few years, but I can't recall for sure. ) It's one of the few tests where the state's emission testing contractor allows the owner to remain in the cab and actually control the fuel pedal. Actually, the owner must do the "foot work. " I suspect it is a liability issue.



The state's contractor has several testing stations scattered at fairly convenient locations. Depending on the local demographics, the multi-lane indoor testing stations will have one or two diesel testing bays. The contractor only does inspections. You pass or you don't. The state's contractor cannot do repairs, and thus has no financial incentive to artificially fail you and offer you a discount on repairs, then guarantee that you pass *only* if you get the repairs done there. If you fail, you get one free retest after you get the problem fixed. You can fix the problem yourself, or pay a facility to have it done. My truck has always passed.



The way it works is pretty simple. I drive onto the facility and drive up to what looks a lot like an airport parking lot gate. I push a button on the machine, and it gives me a bar coded ticket. The gate rises and I drive to the diesel lane. Sometimes I have to wait as much as 30 minutes. Usually, it's ten minutes or less. I get the inspection done in May or June, so the temperature outside is usually between 90F and 105F. Signs on the inspection building warn against overheating from idling, and idling with the air conditioning on. I find that my truck passes with a lower opacity if I let it idle with the air conditioning on. I augment that by turning on my exhaust brake to keep the EGT up. As I approach the head of the line, I lightly rest my foot on the fuel pedal to raise the idle to about 1,000 RPM to increase the EGTs a bit more. I have a 10 inch electric pusher fan just in front of the air conditioning condenser, which improves the air conditioning performance and overall cooling in stop and go summer driving in Phoenix. My truck has never even come close to overheating before or during the test.



When I reach the head of the line, I shut off the engine and the attendant (who is unfailingly polite) takes the bar coded ticket and my registration card. He or she compares the various VINs on the dashboard and door with the license number, and I hand them $28. They brief me on the test. Then the attendant inspects the fuel filler caps. I can't figure out why they do that, since the fuel tank system is vented, but I have never asked. The only time the caps ever got a second look was when the attendant was a Dodge enthusiast, and he had never seen the two-filler Transfer Flow aft-axle setup that I use. (Which, by the way, came with a CARB tag and number. Good job, Transfer Flow!)



One attendant wheels over an immense fan to blow air over the radiator, as if I was driving at about 40 MPH. The attendants then get out a nozzle and a hose large enough to go over the tailpipe. Then they hook up a test device that looks a lot like the wacky robots at Disney's Star Tours. They replace some sort of filter in the test sensor, and then hook the whole thing up while I sit in the cab.



Next comes the governor test. In neutral, I am instructed to press the fuel pedal to the floor to make sure that the governor keeps the engine below redline. I think that this part of the test is why the emissions contractor wants the owner in the driver seat.



The snap idle test follows. There is a video screen which will say "accelerate to maximum" and after a short time, it will say "return to idle. " There will be several cycles of this. The first few cycles will be sort of a dry run, in case there has been a cylinder temperature reduction while waiting. Then the real test will follow, usually after the engine has fully warmed up again. If the engine is running really clean, the dry run will serve as the actual test, and it will be over quickly. I've found that if get the inspection on a hot day, and if I idle with the air conditioning on, as I described above, I usually finish during the dry run.



There are occasional problems. None of the problems have caused me to fail, but they are amusing. If I follow, say, a fairly late model VW or Mercedes diesel, my truck's printout shows a very low opacity result. On one occasion, I followed an ancient calico-colored Ford diesel that was missing various body bits, and lightly smoking black at idle. That truck had Oklahoma license plates, a sooty bumper, and was obviously getting its first emissions test ever. It took several tries, and I don't know if the Ford passed at all. I know that the attendants cleaned out the sensors and put in new filters, but that test showed the highest Opacity result my truck ever had. It still passed, though. I might have been less than amused if my truck was high-mileage with marginal injectors, and that little extra carbon had put my test over the top.



I also find that when I am using the Cummins-Valvoline diesel additive sold by Geno's, the truck performs noticeably better on the test.



We lived in California when gasoline car testing began in about 1982. Then it was done by the same places that wanted to sell me a tune-up. I had a good relationship with an honest place in Riverside, so there I never had any trouble. When we moved to Arizona in 1985, we had to get all our cars tested every year. At first I was annoyed by it. But later I learned how to interpret the printed out test results and I was able to use them as a sort of condition report for how well my cars were running. The tests weren't terribly expensive. They still aren't.



My wife's 2007 Chrysler Town & Country with OBD II emission controls won't need an inspection for several years. I can't recall the exact number. Our 2001 PT Cruiser gets them every two years, I think. Our late 1993 Saturn SW2 got tested every year, and passed every year.



The bottom line is that I've never had a problem. I take something to read and just people-watch. But my truck is bone-stock and unmodified except for the aft-axle fuel tank, the Prime-Loc fuel filter relocation kit, and the exhaust brake. I've been told that turning up the fuel pump can cause snap idle problems, depending on how great the change has been.



As always, your mileage may vary. To sort of paraphrase Bob Patton--with apologies--in Arizona you can't become your own emissions station. :D



Fantastic post and very accurate as well. As I recall when i first bought my truck new there was no test for diesel light duty trucks. I retired and moved to Pinal County and there is not emission test at all. So lucked out in that way anyhow. With my Adrenaline I am afraid would fail the governor portion as I believe it will exceed the red line. I agree if a truck or car for that matter passes it should not matter what modifications are made under hood or programming!!!



Having been born and raised in Comifornia leaving when 18 and to never return other to visit. Even knowing way back then how they operated I am continually amazed!!! Anyone thinking they can expect some sense of CARB there have not seen what they have done over the years. I remember the first emission equipment made mandatory. Plugging the crankcase draft tube and routing the fumes from it into the filler cap through a PCV valve.



Over the years have all kinds of funny stories about emission testing. Most not so funny at the time but are now. Like one test they removed gas cap(chevy gas dually) none vented and pressurized the tank. Waht ever pressure they used blew off a vent line in the engine compartment. Never happened before in normal use!!!! You cannot repair there have to leave and get back in line for retest!!! Pulled across the street used some hose screw clamps there was no way a line was going to get blown off maybe burst one. got back in line and they pressured tank only and passed. They would never tell me how much pressure the placed on the tank but it had to be to high.



Anyways good post!!!
 
Okay, I live in CA and have a question....

I have a '95 Ram 2500 TD w/5 sp. 4x2. I'll be okay with that because it's not included, as I read it. I also have an '05 Liberty Sport CRD which I legally

imported into CA in '08 (there weren't available here for orig. sales NEW),

but are allowed in after 7,500 mi USED. Okay, It doesn't have any CA

smog sticker, because it was a 49 state vehicle which was accepted

legally and is now registered in the state. So, how does THAT work?

Without the CARB sticker, is it an automatic fail? #@$%! Someone with

more info/understanding on this matter would be appreciated... :)

Cheers,

Deanna
 
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