3500 Chassis Cab Hybrid Build up by LORENZindustries.com

[Lorenz]

I don't think I've ever come accross a rating on the OEM Wheels. They're forged rather than cast, so they're as strong as they come. I'd like to know what the H2's are rated at as well.

 

[AH64ID]

I have read they are stamped 3195lbs.



I agree, they look stout as can be, but it still makes me nervous going over a RAW of 6400 lbs.



Why didn't you just buy a SRW C&C, it seems you modded it pretty quick.

 

[Lorenz]

There isnt' a Single Rear Wheel Cab and Chassis. All C&C come as duallies, with that said, I did find some used Rickson's in AZ, and found some used 245/70/19. 5 G670's. I installed this last weekend and I do notice a ride difference. The small stuff is alot more pronounced because the tires fall into more of the events. The medium events will wake you up. The 37's soaked up alot of the small and medium events before translating them into the frame.

I notice a solid 2MPG increase, which was a little more than I expected. I rolls noticeably easier and I notice I can get down the same hill in neutral carrying more speed. I did it back to back just to give me a better feel for how much less resistance there is on the road. There's a lot less resistance running the 19. 5 hi-way queens. My poor truck looks neutered now.

 

[Lorenz]

4080# load rating per tire. 265's are a little harder to come by but have a higher load rating and physicality weigh more per tire. Trade off's all around

 

[AH64ID]

There isnt' a Single Rear Wheel Cab and Chassis. All C&C come as duallies

Not true, there is a SRW 3500 C&C option.

This link show's the spec difference.

Dodge Towing Guide - By Vehicle Results


But the rig does look pretty sweet!

 

[Regcabguy]

4080# load rating per tire. 265's are a little harder to come by but have a higher load rating and physicality weigh more per tire. Trade off's all around

Sean,is that the infamous "spider bed"? Maybe 265's when these wear out?

 

[rMetzger]

Where's the hybrid part come in?

 

[Lorenz]

Not true, there is a SRW 3500 C&C option.



This link show's the spec difference.



Dodge Towing Guide - By Vehicle Results

Let me refrase that. All, true C&C trucks come with duallies. The Single is a standard 3500 SRW without a bed, it has the same frame, and axles and 9900# payload. The 3500 dually C&C had different axles along with a different frame and suspension and a 12,500# payload. You're right they show a 17" wheel 3500 C&C in the product line that is a 3500 with the bed deleted.

 

[Lorenz]

Where's the hybrid part come in?

It's confusing. The front half of the 3500 C&C with duallies and a 12,500# payload has the front half of the standard 3500 truck frame. The rear half of the frame is massive, almost a foot tall and sleeved and welded into the front half of the 3500 frame. The extra payload comes from different axels front and rear and the larger back halfed rear frame section.



Hybrid meaning standard 3500 up front, and massive rear C&C rear section. The rear section pictures are on page 1. I can run my standard LORENZindustries.com Suspension Systems up front but the rear is another beast all together.

 

[Lorenz]

Sean,is that the infamous "spider bed"? Maybe 265's when these wear out?

This is the infamous Spider Bed that housed the nasty creatures that bit Joe and gave him his yeast infection.



I'm not sure if I much care for it all said and done. The Tommy Gate is helpful when needed but it kills the daily driver purpose. Meaning it's kinda clumsy to drive around all day and not be able to use the rear view mirror. It's growing on me, and helps out while pulling it's fair share of the work load around the Ranch. The dump bed gets 2 thumbs up, but the tommy gate on the back needs a little more time before I make a final call.

 

[AH64ID]

Let me refrase that. All, true C&C trucks come with duallies. The Single is a standard 3500 SRW without a bed, it has the same frame, and axles and 9900# payload. The 3500 dually C&C had different axles along with a different frame and suspension and a 12,500# payload. You're right they show a 17" wheel 3500 C&C in the product line that is a 3500 with the bed deleted.

All 3500 C&C's come with 17" wheels, SRW or DRW.

The payload on a SRW has to due with tires, nothing else. The SRW has the lower payload and lower RAWR due to being a SRW, the axle is the same on your 3500 C&C as it was on your 2500, an AAM 11. 5" axle.

Dodge also specifies different frames for a 3500 SRW p/u and a 3500 SRW C&C, you can purchase the truck you have with a SRW config, same frame, axles, suspension. . just one rear wheel. Just look at the wheel base, a p/u has a 160. 5" WB while the 3500 C&C's run a 163. 5" wheelbase, to include the SRW. The frame width is also different, as is the cab to axle measurement. All of the data available from Dodge indicates that there is a true C&C SRW available.

Yes you can purchase a box-off 3500 SRW p/u, but it is labeled as a p/u, not a C&C.

The SRW C&C carried a GVWR or 10,200 and a GCWR of 24K with 3. 73's or 4. 10's, while the SRW 3500 carried a GVWR of 10,100 and a GCWR of 21K with 3. 73's or 24K with 4. 10's.

If you want to look at the specs yourself, even for your 08, you can find them here. It's very clear that the SRW 3500 C&C is a true C&C and should not be confused with a box-off pickup.

The front half of the 3500 C&C with duallies and a 12,500# payload has the front half of the standard 3500 truck frame. The rear half of the frame is massive, almost a foot tall and sleeved and welded into the front half of the 3500 frame. The extra payload comes from different axels front and rear and the larger back halfed rear frame section.

The C&C is a much sturdier setup, but the 300 lbs increase in GVWR is hardly enough to worry about especially when the front and rear axle, and AWR's are identical to a 3500 p/u (model and ratings, width may vary). The distinct advantage to a 3500 C&C over a pickup is the frame/suspension is designed for operating at its loaded rating a higher percentage of the time and the automatic is a more robust unit designed for the same, you also gain a slight amount in GCWR, especially if you opt for 3. 73's.

 

[rMetzger]

It's confusing. The front half of the 3500 C&C with duallies and a 12,500# payload has the front half of the standard 3500 truck frame. The rear half of the frame is massive, almost a foot tall and sleeved and welded into the front half of the 3500 frame. The extra payload comes from different axels front and rear and the larger back halfed rear frame section.



Hybrid meaning standard 3500 up front, and massive rear C&C rear section. The rear section pictures are on page 1. I can run my standard LORENZindustries.com Suspension Systems up front but the rear is another beast all together.

Cool... . I was hoping to see somebody do the Dodge Contractor prototype that I read about in a magazine about 10-15 years ago. Think "pickup-truck-configured small locomotive with lots of 110VAC outlets"

 

[AH64ID]

Cool... . I was hoping to see somebody do the Dodge Contractor prototype that I read about in a magazine about 10-15 years ago. Think "pickup-truck-configured small locomotive with lots of 110VAC outlets"

I remember that. . was it really that long ago. . wow time flies!

 

[Lorenz]

All 3500 C&C's come with 17" wheels, SRW or DRW.

The payload on a SRW has to due with tires, nothing else. The SRW has the lower payload and lower RAWR due to being a SRW, the axle is the same on your 3500 C&C as it was on your 2500, an AAM 11. 5" axle.

Dodge also specifies different frames for a 3500 SRW p/u and a 3500 SRW C&C, you can purchase the truck you have with a SRW config, same frame, axles, suspension. . just one rear wheel. Just look at the wheel base, a p/u has a 160. 5" WB while the 3500 C&C's run a 163. 5" wheelbase, to include the SRW. The frame width is also different, as is the cab to axle measurement. All of the data available from Dodge indicates that there is a true C&C SRW available.

Yes you can purchase a box-off 3500 SRW p/u, but it is labeled as a p/u, not a C&C.

The SRW C&C carried a GVWR or 10,200 and a GCWR of 24K with 3. 73's or 4. 10's, while the SRW 3500 carried a GVWR of 10,100 and a GCWR of 21K with 3. 73's or 24K with 4. 10's.

If you want to look at the specs yourself, even for your 08, you can find them here. It's very clear that the SRW 3500 C&C is a true C&C and should not be confused with a box-off pickup.



The C&C is a much sturdier setup, but the 300 lbs increase in GVWR is hardly enough to worry about especially when the front and rear axle, and AWR's are identical to a 3500 p/u (model and ratings, width may vary). The distinct advantage to a 3500 C&C over a pickup is the frame/suspension is designed for operating at its loaded rating a higher percentage of the time and the automatic is a more robust unit designed for the same, you also gain a slight amount in GCWR, especially if you opt for 3. 73's.

The rear axles in the 3500 CC are not the same as the other trucks, and the frames are different as well. The CC rear half of the frame is made by Freightliner. Either way, it's proven to be a not so popular configuration. I haven't run accrossed another on on the road. The 5500 Cab and Chassis have proven to be the biggest sellers, and the only CC truck that I see on the road after 7 years of production.

Theres been some updates to this build, and I' pretty excited about the new 1948 Spartan Aircraft Trailer that I'm going to modify and mount on the bed. Pics to follow.

I'm now running 19.5 Vision wheels with new Sumitomo ST918 245/70/19.5 tires and a 4540lb rating per tire. The recaps were not cutting it and I could NOT get them balanced after multiple times to the shop. I loved the recap tread pattern, I just couldn't get the to stay balanced.

 

[AH64ID]

The rear axles in the 3500 CC are not the same as the other trucks

What do you mean by other trucks? 4500/5500 or 3500 pickups?

The 3500 C&C uses the same axles as the 3500 pickup, just the difference back half of the frame and suspension as mentioned above.

I'm now running 19.5 Vision wheels with new 245 tires. The recaps were not cutting it and I could get them balanced after multiple times to the shop.

I am very happy with my Vision's. My Toyo's balanced out great with Counteract Balance Beads.

 

[Lorenz]

Here's some old images I ran accross with the Airbag rear suspension and 37" Toyo's. No lift or leveling up front for this tow beast, though I will be upgrading the shocks to our Camper and Towing Fox's with special valving to reduce sway when loaded.