CNG -- where does one fill them up?

[hammersley]

The new Dodge CNG (I know its a Hemi) uses CNG - where does one get that refilled? And yes it is used on Diesels ... . look at this Iveco site using Cummins 8. 3... . read later in the article...



Four ultra light weight gas bottles with a combined capacity of 170 cubic metres

were fitted behind the cabs, the engines were plumbed and instrumentation and

high-pressure regulators fitted. The engines were run, tested and fully certified

before returning the trucks to IVECO for final inspection. The fully warranted

trucks were now ready to go to work.



And after more than six months of regular, day-to-day concrete deliveries, how

have these innovative trucks been performing? – Above and beyond

expectations according to Boral Concrete Fleet Manager, Richard Smithson.

“Naturally with a project such as this, unique to the concrete agitator business in

Australia and potentially worldwide, there has been a process of development

and fine-tuning of these trucks, with no dramatic problems as such to solve at all

– a credit to all partners in this exercise – Boral, IVECO Trucks, Cummins,

Advanced Fuel Technology and Sydney Truck Sales.



“We have also benefited from the inputs of a team of highly skilled, hand-picked

drivers who have been able to provide technical and operational feedback to our

mechanics and technicians who in turn have been able to configure the trucks

for maximum operating efficiency and ‘driver-friendliness’ – and we have a

ready-made benchmarking system to prove performance by comparing the CNG

trucks to our almost identical diesel powered agitators.

“We were immediately pleased to learn that though power output is slightly

lower, torque is higher – 280HP and 850 ft lb torque at 2400 rpm for the CNG

trucks compared with 285 HP and 800 ft lb at 2200 rpm for the diesels. Despite

the lower power rating, these figures reflect improved ‘drivability’ of the gas

trucks.



http://www.iveco.com.au/Pdfs/Press Kits/Boral.pdf







But again where are they filled... ... .

 

[RustyJC]

Most fleets such as the one described will have their own fueling facilities - basically a compressor, a storage tank and a dispensing station.



Rusty

 

[BIGNASTY]

Google CNG filling stations and choose your place. I have noticed a lot more CNG signs along the highway now days. I dont know if they added more or that im just looking with more interest. The Honda Civic NGV is looking pretty good to us.



http://www.cngprices.com/

 

[rscurtis]

Right now, the CNG option costs more than the Cummins option. I don't think you'll see many takers at that price even if it was offered for sale to the general public. I don't think it would sell even if the fuel was free.



IMO, there are two other ways to use NG as a fuel. First, make synthetic diesel fuel from it, it's better than petroleum diesel and the infrastructure already exists. Second, use it as an auxiliary fuel in a diesel engine using diesel fuel for pilot ignition. The engine could run on NG when available, (using a very small injection event for ignition) and revert back to diesel fuel when the supply of NG is exhausted. With the modern electronics available today, this shouldn't be a problem. It would also support T. Boone's idea of using NG in big rigs by the elimination of range anxiety- sort of like the Chevy Volt was supposed to do.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Dont know about any of the above post. We were not looking as an addition to Diesel. But just as a transportaiton car. CNG is $1. 69 at our local supply Diesel is $3. 99 a $2. 30 dollar difference adds up pretty quick again this is for the Honda NGV we were thinking about the VW but with all the SMOG BS it would be like getting back into the new Dodge's what's the use.

 

[RustyJC]

Dont know about any of the above post. We were not looking as an addition to Diesel. But just as a transportaiton car. CNG is $1. 69 at our local supply Diesel is $3. 99 a $2. 30 dollar difference adds up pretty quick again this is for the Honda NGV we were thinking about the VW but with all the SMOG BS it would be like getting back into the new Dodge's what's the use.

Ummm... does that CNG price include Federal and state fuel taxes like the diesel does?



Rusty

 

[BIGNASTY]

Don't know its just the price that is on the SO CALLED PUMP. We stopped and talked the the kid at the filling station and he said that's the price. We are going back and talk to someone that knows more about it than just filling the tank the company has several stations in the County. I just want to make sure that I can get the fuel and not be burdened with trying to find a station. Up here there is NO JUST AROUND THE CORNER. The reason for the car would be to run back and forth to Missoula or some other big city. The Dodge is just for hauling and travel. When the store is 65 miles away ill take the 33mpg to go. I just wont wear the cowboy hat after all how would that look in a HONDA CIVIC :-laf

 

[rscurtis]

When I was on L. I. the local utility used CNG Civics for meter readers. I talked to a driver one day, he liked the car, although it was a little under powered, particularly with the AC on. He could just get a full day's use from a fill-up.

 

[BIGNASTY]

We went for a test drive with one in Helena and ya its under powered but really im not going to scream about it I DOUGHT THAT THE A/C WOULD EVER GET USED ANYWAY. Its been a long time sense I have driven a small car like these so my evaluation of the lack of power would not be worthy. It did get on the Hwy without any problems. Back in Ca the transit bus line ran on CNG and they didn't seem to have any problems cutting other cars off as they pulled away from the curb.

 

[Jeff Knight]

IMO, there are two other ways to use NG as a fuel. First, make synthetic diesel fuel from it, it's better than petroleum diesel and the infrastructure already exists. .

Shell was thinking of doing this when the price of diesel was high a couple of years a go. When the price dropped they said it wasn't cost effective any longer. With all the natural gas we have in this country we wouldn't need petroleum oil to make diesel fuel for a long time if ever.



Jeff

 

[BIGNASTY]

Shell was thinking of doing this when the price of diesel was high a couple of years a go. When the price dropped they said it wasn't cost effective any longer. With all the natural gas we have in this country we wouldn't need petroleum oil to make diesel fuel for a long time if ever.



Jeff

This shouldn't be a surprise now!!! They (the oil companies and the corrupt politicians) ON BOTH SIDE'S control the price and quantity of gas & oil. So when the crude runs dry THAT'S WHEN THEY COME OUT WITH THE NEW AND IMPROVED VERSION OF HOW TO SHAFT THE PUBLIC. And LNG will suddenly become the next point of argument or what ever , other kind of liquid GOLD that we need in our tanks.

 

[RustyJC]

This shouldn't be a surprise now!!! They (the oil companies and the corrupt politicians) ON BOTH SIDE'S control the price and quantity of gas & oil. So when the crude runs dry THAT'S WHEN THEY COME OUT WITH THE NEW AND IMPROVED VERSION OF HOW TO SHAFT THE PUBLIC. And LNG will suddenly become the next point of argument or what ever , other kind of liquid GOLD that we need in our tanks.

In reality it's much simpler and not nearly so sinister as you make it out to be. The synthetic diesel costs much more to produce than the "natural" diesel from crude oil. Basic economics says that there's really no market for the synthetic diesel until (a) the cost to produce "natural" diesel rises above the cost to produce "synthetic" diesel because crude oil costs rise significantly higher than natural gas costs or (b) there's a supply disruption in crude oil that drives the use of natural gas as a feedstock for diesel.



Rusty

 

[BIGNASTY]

It must be VERY SIMPLE some where in the web site The U. S. of A is going to use and is now using this product. WHY because if they need to and the supply goes to hell they can produce this stuff to keep the MILITARY going. Funny how there's nothing like PETROLUIM until the government thinks that some day there might be a shortage and that they will have to defend themselves by using another fuel



Diesel/jet of all grades/even gasoline



Feed stock is growing as you read but will it EVER COME OUT TO THE CONSUMER HELL NO NOT TILL IT HAS TO

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[RustyJC]

Feed stock is growing as you read but will it EVER COME OUT TO THE CONSUMER HELL NO NOT TILL IT HAS TO

I believe that's what I said. As long as petroleum-based fuels are cheaper to produce (and sell), that's what the market will demand. The low cost commodity (which diesel fuel is) will always win.



Rusty

 

[BIGNASTY]

Sorry Ive got into my political frame of mind #@$%! and I don't go there often but when I do I become a RAGING LUNATIC LIKE OTHERS THAT WILL NOT BE MENTIONED I will not be that way for the rest of the day



BIG

 

[RustyJC]

Go sit out back and look at the mountains with a big ole' glass of your favorite beverage. :-laf



Rusty

 

[BIGNASTY]

Are looking some how??? It was a home brew double Bock and very tasty. Just like everything else its better when made at home

 

[Beast2B]

... we were thinking about the VW but with all the SMOG BS it would be like getting back into the new Dodge's what's the use.

I bought a 2012 Golf TDI for my commuter in December and even though the smog equipment is similar, the oil still looks a nice golden brown after 3500 miles. Compared to the jet black oil out of the Dodge 50 miles after an oil/filter change, I'm very impressed! 45mpg on flat ground and 40 on my commute with 1200' elevation change at 70mph makes me smile!

 

[BIGNASTY]

I bought a 2012 Golf TDI for my commuter in December and even though the smog equipment is similar, the oil still looks a nice golden brown after 3500 miles. Compared to the jet black oil out of the Dodge 50 miles after an oil/filter change, I'm very impressed! 45mpg on flat ground and 40 on my commute with 1200' elevation change at 70mph makes me smile!

Im glad that you like what you have. My Daughter bought a VW also she loves it SO FAR. I just dont like all the BS that they have put on Diesels. Not that gas/CNG/Propane or anything else is better but just hate the AFTERBURNER EXAUST ON DIESELS



MY commute is not as long as yours in fact I walk to my commute and my job and then while traveling MANY MILES at work I USE ABSOULTELY NO FUEL OF ANY KIND. that is the kind of MPG that I need.

 

[KB0OU]

The worse thing about CNG is the C----Compressed, 3000 to 3600 psi. Have you purchased one of the compressors lately. Sometimes one can get the local Natural Gas supplier to buy them for you if you want to set up a fuel station for your fleet or for your car at home. but sometimes not. I wonder what they do when they wear out,,, they will... . Nothing is free, or cheap.