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Like the title says, I'm wanting to build a bolt action probably in . 308, maybe bigger. Used for target/benchrest only (I don't hunt).



Where is a good starting point? Taking a Remington 700 and going from there or buying separately and doing it from scratch?



Where are some good places to look for details, parts, etc (Other than Brownells, Natchez & Midway).



Thanks in advance.
 
CBlack,
First of all, what is your budget?
A Savage target rifle can shoot well right out of the box, So can a Remington.
Most factory rifles have to be tuned.
On a custom build, a Remington M-700 is a good place to start, BUT!
They need to be blueprinted, and tuned. That costs extra money! Brownells is a source for the Remington Actions.
A custom action could be a better buy if you can budget the cost.
Check out this link;
http://www.6mmbr.com/actions.html
Heres one about barrel makers;
http://www.6mmbr.com/barrels.html
Cartridge selection? . 308 is a good one, so is the 6. 5 Creedmoor in a medium capacity case.
What distances do you plan to shoot? Style/Discipline ( National Match Course, F/TR class, Benchrest, plinking, metallic silhouettes, 1000yards?)
If you can be a little more specific? That would help.
HHhuntitall (TDR member) is an excellent resource.
He might see this and respond!
Have fun! Planning is what its all about!
BTW, www.6mmbr.com is a good resource all around.
Join the forum and there are gunsmiths and competitors galore that will jump on your questions and give you a shot of "information overload":-laf!
GregH
 
Remington 40XB or XP100 actions are stiffer because they are single shot. Or, get Melvin Forbes to build you a New Ultra Light Arms target rifle. Out of the box it will perform well.
 
CBlack

I bought a Rem-700 varmint with a heavy barrel. Laminated stock for stability. Took it to a gunsmith and had the muzzle crowned and the glass bed with free floating barrel. I worked with powders and slugs till I could do 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The groups ran ½ moa. If I could hold it, all 5 would break the same hole. And it's helpful to have a 16X Mark 4 scope. Don't forget to weight the slugs. I found as much as 10 gr variation in one brand. That is with stuff of the shelf. Back to the good question. How much money do you have to throw at it?
 
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Thanks for the feedback.

Budget... I was hoping for some feedback on that. I know a decent AR can be built for around $1500. I have no idea about a decent bolt action, so guidance I am looking for.

Not looking at contests at this point, just something I can go to the range and shoot anything between 100-1000m. I get my own sense of satisfaction out accurate shooting.

Greg... thanks for the link to that forum. Several years ago I used to read a lot on there but had forgotten about it!
 
IMHO, that is a subjective concept.

The cost of an off the shelf bolt rifle varies greatly.

Savage and Remington have their top of the line target rifles.

Add scope mounts, optics, reloading dies and components!

Are you very far from Red Jacket? Stop in and ask them for a price!

I would look at gunbroker.com and galleryofguns.com for prices on factory rifles!

You have to determine what fits best for YOUR needs and finances!

GregH
 
IMHO, that is a subjective concept.
The cost of an off the shelf bolt rifle varies greatly.
Savage and Remington have their top of the line target rifles.
Add scope mounts, optics, reloading dies and components!
Are you very far from Red Jacket? Stop in and ask them for a price!
I would look at gunbroker.com and galleryofguns.com for prices on factory rifles!
You have to determine what fits best for YOUR needs and finances!
GregH

Where is the symbol for slapping yourself on the head! It's not subjective. I'm wondering what price point will build a decent rifle. $2000? Some actions I've seen are $1500 by themselves. $3000? I want to know what is a good starting point then I can decide on what to spend.

I know full well that one can buy a nice rifle from a custom shop or a big manufacturer, but I like doing things on my own. ANd building a rifle from parts that I can acquire is something I'd like to do.

I guess to make it easier, let's say I want to spend $2500. Where do I start?
 
Then slap yerself CBlack!:-laf Ya dont need a symbol fer that, or my permission either. We are not in the political section here;)!

Surgeon action, single shot or repeater with bottom metal and AI magazine and trigger(Remington style) with built in 20 MOA picatinny scope rail, A Kreiger barrel, AI stock or a custom laminated wood stock,, rings and a Night force scope, BR or NXS. Chambering reamer and headspace gauge.

That should be the components list. Then ya gotta put it together.

I enjoy this forum and try to help as much as I can. There are others on TDR that love to shoot and also have gunsmith experience.

What I am suggesting is JMHO!

Have fun!

GregH
 
Thanks!



Another question... I am assuming the action will need to go through a FFL dealer?



NO WAY!! :D (unless you just HAVE TO!!!)



You want a budget build? Here's a scenario... . Buy a cheap (relatively) action at a gun show, maybe already chambered in . 308... Any caliber with a . 473 bolt face will work, such as . 243 Winchester, 6mm Remington, . 260 Remington, 7mm08..... The action will have have to be squared if it hasn't been done, yet... . Most people charge around $200 for that... ... Then you order you a QUALITY barrel, probably at least a Rem Sendero contour, or #7 Contour... . If you are going to shoot a lot, maybe even a straight 1 1/8" blank... . That's gonna cost anywhere from $200 to $450... I like Broughton barrels..... http://www.rifle-barrels.net/ Then you'll have to have it chambered in your caliber, with whatever reamer you want... . I'd suggest someone that has a good Pacific Tool and die Match grade . 308 reamer... . That's gonna cost around $400 to fit the barrel, chamber it, crown it, and anything else it might need... . A good stock is next, so the cheapest thing I could even begin to suggest is an H & S around $350..... I'd really suggest a McMillan, Kelbly's, or Manners for Benchrest or F-class, which is gonna run @ $600... . SOOOOO, let's review.....



Short Remington 700 Action- $400 (may even get a Wal-Mart special new if you are in a hurry... . Brownell's currently has them on sale for $400 my cost... . )



Quality barrel - Last Broughton barrel I purchased was $340 delivered. The last . 308 I built was earlier this year, and it took 3rd at NRA National's at Whittington Center, F/TR a few weeks ago..... It's a screamer... . He completely missed one target on Saturday and still took a Bronze medal home... .



Quality Gunsmith - The hardest element!! His labor is going to cost you @ $400 + bedding the stock and anything else you may not do yourself. A good friend of mine - www.precisionbarrelwork.com Another top-grade gunsmith I've met and looked at a lot of his work lately - http://tripleggunsmithing.com/index.html



Quality stock - A broad element, it has so much influence by personal user preferences and abilities... . That's hard to price, but let's say $600... . If you will have the gunsmith bed it, you may add @ $150-200 for glass bedding and fitting the action to the stock.....



That leaves us with $1940 in it before we go to pick out a scope, order reloading supplies (or ammo) and shoot it, which will be where you're at with a custom rifle, only you won't have another $4-5000 in it... ...



Now, ordering a custom benchrest action, such as Surgeon (http://www.surgeonrifles.com/), Kelbly's (http://www.kelbly.com/actions.html), BAT (http://batmachine.com/) or Stiller (http://www.viperactions.com/), to name a few, is going to run @ $1500 for the action, so add @ $1200 to your cost..... That brings you up to $3140 with a complete rifle, no optics or ammo.



Accuracy is subjective to some, and varies with every rifle anyone ever builds. They can guarantee whatever accuracy they want, but sometimes, a good barrel can be installed badly, or a good installed barrel can be no good. The benefit to spending the extra $$$ with a custom, turn-key builder, such as Surgeon, Kelbly's, or the one Mr. Donnely suggested, they will be willing to work with you a little more if it won't shoot... . There are many variables, but if they are the one's supplying the barrel, action, and work, they'll more likely guarantee accuracy. I know the owner at Surgeon will build a rifle that will shoot and will stand behind it. If it won't shoot, he'll unscrew the barrel and put a new one on it. He might want you to send it to him so he can shoot it himself, but if he finds it bad, it WILL be fixed before it comes back to you..... That's just one example.



There are certain providers I would avoid, from my experiences. Shilen and Hart. NO BUENO!! And not just one experience... . I've seen 7 Hart barrels in the last 3 years that were no good... . Shilen's are a crap shoot as to weither they are good or not..... Their facility is not that far from me, and I see a LOT of their barrels... . they are not all good. As a rule, I've had excellent results from Krieger, Broughton, Bartlien, and Lothar-Walther... . Those are only a few, but they are the ones I use the most... . The Broughton barrels have proven excellent. A . 223 I built for F/TR is currently the 600yd Civilian Record holder with NRA..... I built a 6. 5x284Norma that's pretty awesome, too, using a Broughton, as well as a . 300 Win Mag that's just now getting broken in, but proving to be an excellent barrel, even during break-in.....



:information-overload: :D I do love to shoot, as you may have figured out.....
 
... . and I didn't even go into the factory rifle offerings available... . At this point in time, I am convinced Savage builds the best rifle for the money out there... . I HATE!!!!! :mad: #@$%! HATE!!!! the Savage trigger group... . but, if you can live with it, they often build rifles that shoot well. My dad purchased a Long Range Precision Varminter in . 223 that I took several top prizes in F/TR with at 500yds. Reloading was a requirement for it, though. They also build an F-class rifle in 6. 5x284Norma... . And . 308 Winchester. Thier single shot actions are tough and dependable, yet easily serviced and rarely need much modificaitons for accuracy... . They're the squarest actions produced by the big manufacturers... and I mean by a long shot!! :eek: I sincerely wonder how the heck SWAT teams and other sniper teams can even use the Remington rifles with factory ammo..... I've seen so much CRAP they've built the last few years..... ugh!! :eek: #@$%!



And the Savage Precision series rifles can be purchased for around the cost of a custom action alone..... :eek:
 
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Savage 10 FCP-K 1/2 MOA @ 100 yds out of the box. Yes, surprised the heck out of me also. Pretty incredible rifle for 800 bones... It's my starter.
 
Latest target of the last . 308 I built... . This is a 2" group at 400yds, with medium wind (10-12mph 3:00 right). The target is a 300yd F-class target, with 1. 5" X-ring. Experimental load... looks like it may work, eh?

308at400.jpg


308at400.jpg
 
Thanks for the feedback from everyone.

I guess this just leaves it to two things:

Buying an out of the box shooter and building a custom.

Can never have too many, right? :D

HHuntitall...

Great info, thanks. Nice grouping there as well.
 
Thanks for the feedback from everyone.



I guess this just leaves it to two things:



Buying an out of the box shooter and building a custom.

Can never have too many, right? :D

:blank-stare: I think I like this guy..... :D
 
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Along similar lines...

Looked at a Marlin . 308 today. It looked identical to the Savage Model 12 Long Range I like. Difference was the price... Marlin was $380 vs the Savage's $980. Both have the Accutrigger.

Question:

What is the quality of Marlin rifles like nowadays?

I hear great things about Savage both on this board and else where. But the Marlin... ?

Thanks
 
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