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Newsa said:
I didn't get one..... (an Aisin). They might double in price due to tarrifs if a certain billionaire becomes preident??????

If you're getting an Aisin, buy a 2016-2017. Don't wait until the redesign?????
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Aisin USA[edit]

Aisin constructed a factory in the United States of America in 1986, with production beginning in 1989. This factory, in Seymour, Indiana has since been expanded and supplies components for Honda,General Motors, Mitsubishi Motors, Nissan and Toyota. The company also operates in Marion, Illinois.
On October 5, 2005, Aisin USA opened an 878-acre (3.55 km2​) testing facility near Fowlerville, Michigan. Officially named FT Techno of America (FTTA), but known as Aisin’s Fowlerville Proving Ground, the new venture is a member of the Aisin Group, a Tier One worldwide automotive components supplier with global sales of more than US$15 billion in 2004. In Michigan, Aisin Group companies employ 554 associates, with annual payroll of US$40 million and total investments of US$102.7 million. FTTA is Aisin’s fifth group company in Michigan.
The new proving ground, Aisin’s first in North America, and third worldwide, is research and development based supporting test surfaces of various lengths and lane widths used to develop and evaluate a variety of Aisin products and applications, such as transmissions, brakes, drivetrains, and chassis and body systems and components.

Maybe you are worried about the wrong transmission.

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The G56 is NOT a brand-new transmission. Production began at least as early as 2002 in Brazil, with production expected to reach 100,000 units annually by 2005 (and those projections were before the Americans decided to deploy it across the Ram product line).

Future 2017 G56 option: Extra $2495 (down grade really!!!!) You've been Trumped!

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The Aisin is NOT an adaptive transmission, like the 68RFE and others that are controller directly by the vehicles PCM. The Aisin has it's own control module between the PCM and the physical transmission. SNOKING
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I agree that this is the consensus on this forum. Yet, I wonder how the control module between the pcm and physical transmission allows or limits torque management. Not challenging Snoking's assertions here. Just wondering how the torque management communication occurs between the transmission and 6.7? I am pretty sure torque management on the G56 is completely dependent on speedometer mph. Is mph also part of the Aisin-equipped torque managment formula?
 
Interesting reading for all Cummins enthusiasts. But especially for 2016 Aisin owners (the only 4th gen to beat out other brands).

I find it interesting on several fronts:

1) They say the VM Motori has cummins origins? Did Cummins begin the design and sell it to VM?

2) The ecodiesel has more hp and torque than the first gens? That i didn't know.

3) Several Cummins models top this list before Duramax even gets mentioned.


http://www.trucktrend.com/features/1507-nine-best-diesel-engines-for-pickup-trucks/

Edit: i just now realized they were mentioning them alohabetically.
 
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Newsa said:
I agree that this is the consensus on this forum. Yet, I wonder how the control module between the pcm and physical transmission allows or limits torque management. Not challenging Snoking's assertions here. Just wondering how the torque management communication occurs between the transmission and 6.7? I am pretty sure torque management on the G56 is completely dependent on speedometer mph. Is mph also part of the Aisin-equipped torque managment formula?
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Big question is.
When do you get any of that 800-1000 ft lb's of any advertised "new" truck power? When going up a hill, with a load, hot? Probably not, as any of the big three,high dollar hot shots trucks will protect their transmission and depower. When do you get to use any of it? Going to the grocery store? Back to a manual with a good clutch I guess.:confused:
 
JPM said:
Big question is.
When do you get any of that 800-1000 ft lb's of any advertised "new" truck power? When going up a hill, with a load, hot? Probably not, as any of the big three,high dollar hot shots trucks will protect their transmission and depower. When do you get to use any of it? Going to the grocery store? Back to a manual with a good clutch I guess.:confused:
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A source said you only get 865 ft lbs in 3rd gear (Aisin). Makes sense since we can all feel the torque management in our trucks. But many Aisin owners like to think there is no torque managemenr. Lol
 
Lock it in 4th gear on a mountain pass and see how it pulls with a fifth wheel hanging out back!

Snoking
 
I imgaine it is a strong towing experience. I just think that the torque numbers quoted for the three trannies are not descriptive of their actual usable numbers. I even doubt there is much difference in the towing capability of the 3 configurations. Ram charges $8500-ish for an upgrade to a Cummins because there is no question it is that much better than the gassers. If Ram really wanted to stand by its Aisin nimbers, they would make a promotional video, or facilitate a reviewing source to make a promtional video with an Aisin equipped Cummins on a dyno next to a 68RFE on a dyno. If it was truely better at a wide range RPM's in several gears, they could charge $3800-4500 for the Aisin. It is probably better for business to leave torque numbers unexplained and publicly unverified so that customer's imaginations can take off. If the Aisin is truely unbreakable and will outlast the Cummmins (500,000+ miles), it is worth the $2300 upgrade cost. But if it also pulls 65-100 ft lbs more than the 68RFE consistently (not a narrow band of 3rd gear), then they would probably be charging more for it.
 
Ram4Sam, I think maybe you nailed it.

News we could meet you at Bullhead City in mid Oct. You find an identical BH3575el, load it the same as ours and we could run up Union Pass together. We could start as the traffic light near the bottom of the hill when it turns green and see who is to the top first. It is 11 miles of steady 6%. Maybe we could get a 2016 with 900 ft pounds to join the test run? Bring long someone with a SRW 68RFE also. BTW traffic light is on the hill, so we can test the launch between the two autos. Snoking
 
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SNOKING said:
Ram4Sam, I think maybe you nailed it.

News we could meet you at Bullhead City in mid Oct. You find an identical BH3575el, load it the same as ours and we could run up Union Pass together. We could start as the traffic light near the bottom of the hill when it turns green and see who is to the top first. It is 11 miles of steady 6%. Maybe we could get a 2016 with 900 ft pounds to join the test run? Bring long someone with a SRW 68RFE also. BTW traffic light is on the hill, so we can test the launch between the two autos. Snoking
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Yep. When i retire and have a bit more freedom. But you might want to install a BD throttle booster with button. Because it makes my "grocery getter" crazy at 400% boost
 
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