Will the 2017 Ram match the 2017 Ford PowerStroke Power ratings?

[KCJackson1]

When does Ram usually announce such things?

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The most notable change for the 2018 Ram HDs will be the revised Cummins B6.7 (no longer ISB6.7) that meets the 2017 emissions specs for CO2. The rest of the truck will be pretty much the same, with some new trim packages. No word yet on power output.

The fully redesigned Ram 1500 will be introduced at the Detroit auto show in January as a 2019 model and will begin production at Sterling Heights shortly after. The existing 2018 1500 will continue production at Warren until Sterling Heights is fully up to speed and dealers all have a full supply of the new truck. FCA is willing and able to keep the current 1500 in production as late as December 2018 (the last month a 2018-model can be manufactured), although they could also produce later than that as a "Ram Classic" for fleet use.

There is still no definite timetable for the redesigned Ram HD, although the reveal sometime in calendar 2019 is likely, with production as a 2020 model. Also no concrete word on whether the HDs will move fully or partially to Warren (which can build more trucks than Saltillo, just as Sterling Heights can build more than Warren). If Warren does get the nod for some or all of US models, the new trucks will start there, then Saltillo will retool once Warren is rolling. In that scenario, Saltillo would continue to produce Rams for Canada, Mexico, and central America along with any needed US overflow production.

 

[RVTRKN]

Back in 06 when I was researching the purchase of my 07 C&C, there was an increase in HP/TQ from 5.9 to the 6.7, but no one could tell me if the early MY 07 C&C HP/TQ (at 305) increase would equal in HP as a regular 6.7 once the 07.5 trucks started on the production line. Absolutely no one, including factory reps could answer this question. Not until I went to the Professional Bull Riders final's in Vegas of 2006, did I get the correct answers from the Dodge reps at the Dodge display in Vegas. Not only did they know the C&C numbers, but the regular trucks with and without manual transmissionS. I'm not saying they will know, but it's a good chance they could know. Never mind, I just saw that Ford is now the sponsor, when did they switch?

 

[dfb]

Any truck that the chassis and cab must be separated I guarantee will never be on my list. I don't care about the power, torque....never happen..

 

[GQuigley]

I bought my 2001-1/2 because of the Cummins. I wanted a diesel and Cummins put out the best one plus the inline 6 was totally professional, When towing down step hills with exhaust brake on I turn on my emergency blinkers on to make people aware that I'm going much slower and won't speed up.

 

[CUMMINZ]

I'm looking forward to seeing what Ram has up its sleeve for 2018....

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I just visited a friend north of Madison, WISCONSIN. When we pulled into his driveway HE had a brand new RAM 3500 DRW with air suspension and 3.73s. I rode in it several times. It had a ride I did not expect and the truck body fit seemed loose. I certainly hope the ride gets better when loaded. The new Rams need and 8 speed transmission.

 

[SnoKing]

I just visited a friend north of Madison, WISCONSIN. When we pulled into his driveway HE had a brand new RAM 3500 DRW with air suspension and 3.73s. I rode in it several times. It had a ride I did not expect and the truck body fit seemed loose. I certainly hope the ride gets better when loaded. The new Rams need and 8 speed transmission.

Please explain why you think they need an eight speed. The DEF Cummins have a wide torque curve and pull good at 1750 RPM or lower. I seldom get into the higher 2000's when climbing mountains, but those higher RPM are available if need. Those that tow heavy like
Cunmmins12V98 are real happy with 4:10's and Aisin and those like me towing 16K and 24,500 combined are very happy with 3:42's and the Aisin.

Where would you put the extra 2 gears? If your friend has the 68RFE I could understand why you might think it needed some lower gears? However the Aisin's lower 1st and 2nd handle that, and even with 3:42 gears, there is no hole between gears that needs filling.

Cruising at 80 MPH at 1750 RPM is really nice with 3:42's, I have no trouble getting 24,500 pounds rolling, even at 6500-7000 foot elevation in Nevada on Hy Way 93.

BTW, until you know the rear tire pressure, you do not know why you think it had a ride issue. Maybe in had 80 lbs in the rear, or he was running around bobtail with 65 in the 4 rears. 35 in the rear will smooth out a new DRW truck with empty.

SNOKING

 

[Cummins12V98]

Tell your friend to lower the rears to 30-35psi and then report back! Mine had 80 and it was a BAD ride right out of the dealers lot.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Tell your friend to lower the rears to 30-35psi and then report back! Mine had 80 and it was a BAD ride right out of the dealers lot.

That is not practical if you tow often. He pulled up the data on his screen and front and rears were right at 85#s.

 

[SnoKing]

That is not practical if you tow often. He pulled up the data on his screen and front and rears were right at 85#s.

So the door jam states 65 in the rear for the full RGAWR, right. Should be riding like a brick truck with 80 in the rear dual tires.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Please explain why you think they need an eight speed. The DEF Cummins have a wide torque curve and pull good at 1750 RPM or lower. I seldom get into the higher 2000's when climbing mountains, but those higher RPM are available if need. Those that tow heavy like
Cunmmins12V98 are real happy with 4:10's and Aisin and those like me towing 16K and 24,500 combined are very happy with 3:42's and the Aisin.

Where would you put the extra 2 gears? If your friend has the 68RFE I could understand why you might think it needed some lower gears? However the Aisin's lower 1st and 2nd handle that, and even with 3:42 gears, there is no hole between gears that needs filling.

Cruising at 80 MPH at 1750 RPM is really nice with 3:42's, I have no trouble getting 24,500 pounds rolling, even at 6500-7000 foot elevation in Nevada on Hy Way 93.

BTW, until you know the rear tire pressure, you do not know why you think it had a ride issue. Maybe in had 80 lbs in the rear, or he was running around bobtail with 65 in the 4 rears. 35 in the rear will smooth out a new DRW truck with empty.

SNOKING

An eight speed would do for the 6.7 what the 68rfe did to the 48RE. When towing heavy in a high gear and in a hard pull and the transmission downshifts you will see a 400-500 rpm increase. If this number was dropped to 300 rpm the entire system would perform much better. My friend has an aisin... We did not put his truck to any kinda test. I have felt since having an 06 with 48RE that RAMs needed eight speeds. Great example: when I am towing heavy and am winding out in 5th gear and get to about 23-2400rpms and paddle shift the 6th gear rpms drop to a point that those rpms are slowing in getting to the speed I want. This is largly due to 3.73 gears. Soon as I get home off this trip I am going back to 4.10 or 4.30 gears. There is not enough gear difference between the aisin and 68rfe to make that much difference.

 

[CUMMINZ]

So the door jam states 65 in the rear for the full RGAWR, right. Should be riding like a brick truck with 80 in the rear dual tires.

I had this discussion with a salesman at Les Schwab. That door jam info is bogus. You rate individual tire rates by what is on the tire and the manufacturer. I suppose when you replace your tires from the factory with another brand that maybe 8 ply or 12 ply do you use the info on the door? Hello no. Best I can remember the tire has a rating for singles or duals. The info on door does not. I run 14 ply 19.5s. I don't run door info ratings on them.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Back in 06 when I was researching the purchase of my 07 C&C, there was an increase in HP/TQ from 5.9 to the 6.7, but no one could tell me if the early MY 07 C&C HP/TQ (at 305) increase would equal in HP as a regular 6.7 once the 07.5 trucks started on the production line. Absolutely no one, including factory reps could answer this question. Not until I went to the Professional Bull Riders final's in Vegas of 2006, did I get the correct answers from the Dodge reps at the Dodge display in Vegas. Not only did they know the C&C numbers, but the regular trucks with and without manual transmissionS. I'm not saying they will know, but it's a good chance they could know. Never mind, I just saw that Ford is now the sponsor, when did they switch?

The C&Cs always had detuned engines. It is like the first Mega cab duallys were only rated 10,000#s. Who knows why.

 

[SnoKing]

An eight speed would do for the 6.7 what the 68rfe did to the 48RE. When towing heavy in a high gear and in a hard pull and the transmission downshifts you will see a 400-500 rpm increase. If this number was dropped to 300 rpm the entire system would perform much better. My friend has an aisin... We did not put his truck to any kinda test. I have felt since having an 06 with 48RE that RAMs needed eight speeds. Great example: when I am towing heavy and am winding out in 5th gear and get to about 23-2400rpms and paddle shift the 6th gear rpms drop to a point that those rpms are slowing in getting to the speed I want. This is largly due to 3.73 gears. Soon as I get home off this trip I am going back to 4.10 or 4.30 gears. There is not enough gear difference between the aisin and 68rfe to make that much difference.

Until you own a current generation truck, comparing to your 2007.5 with 68RFE or someone truck you went for a ride in, you really do not know what you are talking about.

As I stated above at 24,500 pounds combined with 3.42 there is no missing gears. I had a 2001.5 with 4.10 gears and 47RE it was gear bound, so I know what it is like to need more gears. MY 2015 with Aisin is not gear bound, that is it does not lack a gear for ANY given situation.

 

[SnoKing]

I had this discussion with a salesman at Les Schwab. That door jam info is bogus. You rate individual tire rates by what is on the tire and the manufacturer. I suppose when you replace your tires from the factory with another brand that maybe 8 ply or 12 ply do you use the info on the door? Hello no. Best I can remember the tire has a rating for singles or duals. The info on door does not. I run 14 ply 19.5s. I don't run door info ratings on them.

You need a new tire man. Any tire guy that puts a 8 ply tire on a vehicle that comes with E rated tires, should go back to McDonalds and flipping burgers. The 65 inflation on the door jam is the recommended pressure of the OEM tires at max GAWR. Run OEM like your friends new RAM at 80 lbs is going to contribute to a very ruff ride.

Putting 19.5 on you truck is a different story and should not be used to confuse your friend's riding issues. However getting out a truck with 19.5 and into a truck with over inflated 17" should feel like you got into a Caddy.

 

[CUMMINZ]

You need a new tire man. Any tire guy that puts a 8 ply tire on a vehicle that comes with E rated tires, should go back to McDonalds and flipping burgers. The 65 inflation on the door jam is the recommended pressure of the OEM tires at max GAWR. Run OEM like your friends new RAM at 80 lbs is going to contribute to a very ruff ride.

Putting 19.5 on you truck is a different story and should not be used to confuse your friend's riding issues. However getting out a truck with 19.5 and into a truck with over inflated 17" should feel like you got into a Caddy.

You have misunderstood me. I never said the tire man wanted to place an 8 ply rating. I used that as an example to let you know how easy it would be to place improper air in ones tires. Les Schwab must have looked at the data on my door and aired all my new tires to 65#s when they rotated them. They should have asked me what pressure I wanted or looked at the rating on the tires. As to the 8 speed it is coming. By the way what is the max air pressure for your 10 ply tires?

 

[SnoKing]

You have misunderstood me. I never said the tire man wanted to place an 8 ply rating. I used that as an example to let you know how easy it would be to place improper air in ones tires. Les Schwab must have looked at the data on my door and aired all my new tires to 65#s when they rotated them. They should have asked me what pressure I wanted or looked at the rating on the tires. As to the 8 speed it is coming. By the way what is the max air pressure for your 10 ply tires?

Please reference where you have info on a 8 speed behind the Cummins.

The LT275/70R18E are rated at 80 pounds as other LRE tires. Max load at 80 is 3640. At stickered 75 pounds they rate rated at 3530 which covers the 7K RGAWR. Front axle is rated to 6K and stickered at 60 pounds inflation which is 3020 per tire.

BTW, I have read that most 19.5 wheels require something like a minimal 75 lbs inflation to keep the bead seated correctly. Think brick truck.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Please reference where you have info on a 8 speed behind the Cummins.

The LT275/70R18E are rated at 80 pounds as other LRE tires. Max load at 80 is 3640. At stickered 75 pounds they rate rated at 3530 which covers the 7K RGAWR. Front axle is rated to 6K and stickered at 60 pounds inflation which is 3020 per tire.

BTW, I have read that most 19.5 wheels require something like a minimal 75 lbs inflation to keep the bead seated correctly. Think brick truck.

What does your front/rear axles weigh when you are towing?

 

[SnoKing]

What does your front/rear axles weigh when you are towing?

Front=5120
Rear=6620
Truck=11740
Trailer=12780
Combined=24520

 

[dfb]

I just visited a friend north of Madison, WISCONSIN. When we pulled into his driveway HE had a brand new RAM 3500 DRW with air suspension and 3.73s. I rode in it several times. It had a ride I did not expect and the truck body fit seemed loose. I certainly hope the ride gets better when loaded. The new Rams need and 8 speed transmission.

TRUCK BODY FIT SEEMED LOOSE!? Like the body was coming off the chassis? Bolts rattling? CAB RIDING SIDEWAYS DOWN THE STREET.? Why would anyone get into any vehicle with a body not firmly attached to YHE Frame!? You are a BRAVE SOUL.....btw, the ride does get great with a load...if an 8 speed trans is better, a 16 speed would be the bomb! I suggest you stay away from extreme heavy duty trucks.... you won't like them...stay with a station wagon, you'll like it better...we all will fell safer...

 

[dfb]

Title says it all. Will the 2017s see a power ratings increase across the board?

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Question is, will the Fords lack of reliability bring more Ram buyers?