Unless of course....you live in an area that prohibits such a thing.
I've been asking this same question for almost 2 1/2 years now with no real set answer. I'll leave mine running, high idle, when I have to leave someone in the truck when I go into the store. Usually no more than 15 - 20 minutes.
Mechanics I know tell me "You see semi's setting all night running". Nephew's company has a new fleet (16's - 17's) doing oil field service and they pretty much stay running all day.
Construction company working on our building for the past two years left their new RAM's running pretty much all day in the summer time.
Maybe it's time to call Cummins and play "Ask an Engineer" and see what they say... (LOL)
I dont believe there are any laws or places I know of in the US which prohibits idling your own personal vehicle for any length of time. That said, there may be residential ordinances or HOA regulations for things like excess noise depending on where you live which would prevent long idle times...but I cant comment on that.
It's actually getting more and more common in areas that have pollution issues. Many cities and possibly counties have ordinances against excessive idling.
I am not kthaxton.....but on a trip to NYC last week, I saw several signs in the Queens area and downtown NYC stating such.Interesting... Not saying you're wrong but do you have anything to link/show or indicate this is happening?
Interesting... Not saying you're wrong but do you have anything to link/show or indicate this is happening?
I am not kthaxton.....but on a trip to NYC last week, I saw several signs in the Queens area and downtown NYC stating such.
Additionally......here is a link for you....
https://www1.nyc.gov/nycbusiness/description/idling-regulations
Not sure why this is so hard to believe....I hear about in the news all the time, but if I must:
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/CompilationofStateIdlingRegulations.pdf
A quick Google brought this up, but is actually a fairly old document too, as evidenced by the date, but also, at least in the Utah section, there are many more cities that now have these rules than what is listed....but I think this makes the point.
Not sure where I saw where it was STRICTLY commercial in my link. Yeah....it states certain groups should become familiar with the rules.Thank you both for the links. And kthaxton you dont have to get pushed out of shape by me asking for proof either. I'm asking because I genuinely want to know for informational reasons, not to be a smart a$$ and I was hoping you could answer something I didnt know. Isnt that was these forums are for?
But also just to point out that within both of those links, they only pertain to commercial and public service vehicles...not the public. I cant speak for what learjet said about Wyoming since I'd have to read their vehicle code regarding.
Not sure where I saw where it was STRICTLY commercial in my link. Yeah....it states certain groups should become familiar with the rules.
The link stated----no person should allow the engine of a motor vehicle to idle for longer than three minutes while parking, standing, or stopping.
With that being said......and given some of these idling laws are perhaps several years old.....I wonder how strictly enforced they are for say a RAM 3500-4500-5500 Cab & Chassis truck that is Certified Clean Idle?@KATOOM Well said.
The entire 'idle laws' and what it applies to is a good discussion by all.
I had also wondered the same and found ignorant reporting as usual like for AZ it would appear to apply to just commercial vehicles - not every motor vehicle. I have seen anti-idle law signs around the state posted that were vague mainly at 7-11/Circle K type places.
With that being said......and given some of these idling laws are perhaps several years old.....I wonder how strictly enforced they are for say a RAM 3500-4500-5500 Cab & Chassis truck that is Certified Clean Idle?
Yeah, good luck getting Cummins to comment on anything related to this topic. Guaranteed...with the EPA thumbing down on commercial trucking and everything going on with emissions these days, there's no way Cummins will give anyone a pass on "extended idling"...
Along this mentality, years ago I remember watching the mail person drive down my old street delivering mail. There were no street mail boxes so they had to stop the mail car/truck (or whatever that thing is) at every driveway and shut the engine off before walking up to the front door. Now, given the houses are spaced apart like any regular neighborhood, that poor engine was started, stopped, and restarted what looked like at least hundreds of times just to get around that one neighborhood. It was insane and I'm imagining that starter was replaced weekly if not more often since it sounded pretty sick. But the mail carrier was probably following some government regulated protocol stating that the engine must be shut down whenever the person is not in the vehicle.
This is turning into a good discussion on idling and clean air but still nothing definitive on is it good or not for our engines..
I believe that was the original question to start with.![]()
FCA has a idle time "clock" in the ECM to report idle time. Hmmmmm
TSB's exist regarding bent pushrods due to valve guides gumming up idling in cold weather. This is the only "engine" issue listed I have seen.
With that being said......and given some of these idling laws are perhaps several years old.....I wonder how strictly enforced they are for say a RAM 3500-4500-5500 Cab & Chassis truck that is Certified Clean Idle?
I did not know this..... Disturbing.