Hi together...
Rip informed me about that thread and as there is so much discussion about BBI injectors in here, I thought I should sign up and add my insight as well.
Thanks to our customers that are already stepping up here and sharing some information. I appreciate your support, thank you!
BBI's are BMS, NON-OEM spray patterns. Over priced and overrated.
Why do you think that BBI is BMS? We do not use any BMS products. By the way BMS injectors are nothing more than Cummins marine injectors. Simply OEM Bosch injectors for a higher powered OEM Cummins marine engine.
They all say that...but from Bosch means WHAT? and if anyone that's important!!!!! Bosch has NO compete clauses....
We were working in the Bosch common rail lead development department for commercial vehicles. That is exactly where all Bosch Cummins CR injectors were/are developed. I was working there over 11 years and my BBI partner more than 14 years.
Yes there is a no compete clause but we are in no way competing with Bosch.
Yep and thats why I can't say more about it.
I had a special order for my injectors, so i got more background then I asked for.
Its difficult.
Ozy, thanks for sharing some information here. It was more complicated when you purchased your injectors from us. That time we did BBI as a part time job and were still working full time for Bosch also and we had a contracting with Bosch to not use our day time jobs for any kind of merchandising purposes.
Not even close on balance, quantity, and operation. The Bosch remans are all over the board in all 3 important categories. I just figure with every set of Bosch remans going to warranty 2 of them because they are either so far out of balance to start with or they will develop issues in 3 months. Oh, you can run them and you probbaly won't have catastrophic failures but that does not mean they are "good" by a long shot.
Even on NEW production run injectors at least 2 out of a random selected set are going to be out of balance somewhere in the pressure range tests. Granted I have seen this on ONLY 2 new sets and 3 reman sets, but, in a small sample to have that MANY obvious issues is less than impressive.
Once you put in a set of BBI's and start comparing function and performance EVERY other injector, including Bosch production run ones, are nothing but shoddy imitations. BBI injectors are not hand selected, they hand BUILT to exacting standards 3 times as tight tolerances as Bosch new and it is VERY noticeable.
Considering Martin and associates at BBI developed and engineered the CR injectors for Bosch you will not find a more knowledgeable group nor is there a better product available including Bosch new. From setup to nozzle orifice engineering to proprietary design changes to QC there is nothing that is close. If you want the best, BBI. If you want adequate Bosch new.
Thank you for your insight Cerb. I really appreciate it.
OEM Bosch injectors are a good product but they are mass production and there is no way for them to adjust their injectors to as tight tolerances as we do. Also Bosch is hydraulically testing them only in 4 test points as they cannot invest more than a couple of seconds per injector in hydraulic testing time to being capable of producing and delivering enough injectors and keep the costs low. We are testing and adjusting them in the full operating range which means that we test more than 500 test points per injector. That makes a huge difference.
BMS Sucks........I have lost count on how many road engine Pistons and rings that have cost owners $1000s in early engine repairs. Yep it doen't happen over night it takes time and miles but those NON-OEM nozzles take their toll $$$$$$
How are you measuring those Spec's and tolerances, Any reasonable person can answer that question.....and Bosch is NO way going to allow the equipment to be purchased...
And I can claim all the rest of this year and into ALL next on Balancing and calibrations.....anyone person with insight would know Calibrations and balance rate are very forgiving, its just another selling fakeness to reach into buyers wallet to enhance the seller bank account.
Cerb your comments are NO different than Mileage claims with Tuning. tuning may add some mileage but its NOT going to change the laws of motion and forces.
You want some facts we have Customers with over 1 million+ miles with OEM Bosch still running strong with recommended Injector Changes. Same rotating mass running strong, any reasonable person that's not bias wouldn't even care about the platform some sell on. it the facts that count.
If Bosch generally finds products are better then they manufacturing that Person or company could name their Price $$$$$$$$$ and Bosch would pay it.
We are measuring with our own built test bench using equipment that is also used in the development of Bosch injectors. Our test bench is not compareable to any aftermaket test bench and also not comparable to the one that is used in the Bosch production lines. You are right if you buy a ready to go test bench from Bosch it will in no way be as flexible as ours and not capable of measuring the same as our BBI test bench. But you can purchase everything in those regards as long as you are willing to spend enough money and know what you need:
http://moehwald.de/en/home-2/
Also most test benches are using a continuous measurment system, especially the cheaper ones. That means that you only get an average injection quantity per test point. We are using a measurement device that is able to measure every single injection and also the injection rate.
I hope this is of some help. If someone has any further questions about BBI injectors, please feel free to ask and I will be happy to assist.
Thank you
Martin
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