2019 RAM & 2020 Duramax IKE roadtrip

[Cummins12V98]

Goosenecks often run 20-25 % tongue weight.

He said 35k trailer weight that would be pushing 43k-45k combined

That's fine but in their test SAE numbers they are around 15%. Personally have not heard of those higher numbers.

YES The SAE GCVWR number is WAYYYY up there. 35k can only be obtained with a single cab DRW 4.10/AISIN.

 

[Cummins12V98]

As far as mileage how bout this!

2011 RAM DRW HO 3.42's towing 29k combined @ 75mph with a 40mph head wind West bound from Elk city, OK. Second pic says 5mpg average.

 

[Newsa]

https://www.etrailer.com/question-215645.html

Bumper pull should be 10-15% of total weight.

Gooseneck and 5th wheel should be 20%+.

See link above.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Sorry that is NOT a real world spec. Bumper pulls 10% is very standard. Two axle 5er's can be 20-25%, many people have no clue they are over 20%. Triple axle 5er's are around 15%.

So this guys blanket statement is NOT real world.

 

[jgillott]

Sorry that is NOT a real world spec. Bumper pulls 10% is very standard. Two axle 5er's can be 20-25%, many people have no clue they are over 20%. Triple axle 5er's are around 15%.

So this guys blanket statement is NOT real world.

Not intending to take this conversation off topic, but I would venture to guess that the vast majority of owners pulling a travel trailer or 5th wheel down the road have never been across a scale or have any idea of what their #'s are.

We were at a campground in early June and the guy next to us was complaining about how bad his new TT handled on the road. I asked him what his tongue weight was and he quoted me the dry weight from the brochure. I tried to explain how to visit the CAT scale and how to interpret the #'s and all he could say was "well, the dealer set it up"......

 

[Wiredawg]

That's fine but in their test SAE numbers they are around 15%. Personally have not heard of those higher numbers.

YES The SAE GCVWR number is WAYYYY up there. "35k can only be obtained with a single cab DRW 4.10/AISIN.

Ron,
Are you implying "legally" when you mention " 35K can only be obtained with a single cab drw 4.10/Aisin"?

Just want to be clear on the point you are making.

Cheers, Ron

 

[SnoKing]

"legally"? Or within manufacture's ratings sounds better. No pickup is going to exceed the Federal Bridge Weight laws. States that license tonnage like Washington state will license tonnage beyond manufacture's GVWR.

So what is legally? Hotshot haulers laugh at RV weight police.

 

[Wiredawg]

"legally"? Or within manufacture's ratings sounds better. No pickup is going to exceed the Federal Bridge Weight laws. States that license tonnage like Washington state will license tonnage beyond manufacture's GVWR.

So what is legally? Hotshot haulers laugh at RV weight police.

How about "SAFELY" since that is the term Ram repeatedly uses in the owners manual reference exceeding weight "RECOMMENDATIONS".

So, where I'm going with the question here is Ron has posted he doesn't exceed tire, axle weight ratings but does exceed the GVWR on his truck, so just asking him more or less, if he's changing his position on how much can be pull based upon GCWR with his statement the EDIT single cab dually with 4.10s is the only Ram that can pull a 35K lb trailer?

EDIT: And, to be clear, my FORMER position on GVWRs and GCWRs were I was fine exceeding them IF i didn't exceed axle or tire ratings, which I think Ron subscribes to. Now, and for the first time in 6 Ram trucks, I subscribe to NOT exceeding ANY rating.

EDIT: So you can see, I'm not saying anyone is wrong, just want to stay clear on where we're coming from. Just understanding positions here.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Newsa]

How about "SAFELY" since that is the term Ram repeatedly uses in the owners manual reference exceeding weight "RECOMMENDATIONS".

So, where I'm going with the question here is Ron has posted he doesn't exceed tire, axle weight ratings but does exceed the GVWR on his truck, so just asking him more or less, if he's changing his position on how much can be pull based upon GCWR with his statement the SRW dually with 4.10s is the only Ram that can pull a 35K lb trailer?

EDIT: And, to be clear, my FORMER position on GVWRs and GCWRs were I was fine exceeding them IF i didn't exceed axle or tire ratings, which I think Ron subscribes to. Now, and for the first time in 6 Ram trucks, I subscribe to NOT exceeding ANY rating.

EDIT: So you can see, I'm not saying anyone is wrong, just want to stay clear on where we're coming from. Just understanding positions here.

Cheers, Ron

I think he meant single cab (standard cab)as in not crew cab and not mega cab. It would be hard to find a SRW dually.

 

[Wiredawg]

I think he meant single cab (standard cab)as in not crew cab and not mega cab. It would be hard to find a SRW dually.

Stupid spell checker... I fixed it to single cab. What I took Ron to mean is a crew cab or maxi cab 4x4 truck could not pull a 35K Lb trailer. and my point is typically Ron quoted GVWRs and GCWRs don't matter as long as you don't exceed tire or axle ratings. Just asking him if he's changed his mind about GVWRs and GCWRs.

Makes more sense after I fixed typo, I hope.

Thanks for the catch.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

Ron,
Are you implying "legally" when you mention " 35K can only be obtained with a single cab drw 4.10/Aisin"?

Just want to be clear on the point you are making.

Cheers, Ron

That is SAE rating.

DRW AISIN 4.10 trucks ALL are SAE rated to tow the same COMBINED weight. To tow the heaviest trailer it takes the regular cab DRW AISIN 4.10 2wd truck. All trucks in the SAE test are loaded to 14k.

More carrying capacity means heavier trailer is possible.

 

[Wiredawg]

I was just recalling my 02 Ram 3500 QC 4x4 6spd 4.10 was rated 21K Lb GCWR and now 2019 Max Tow Ram CC 4x4 Aisin 4x4 is rated 43K Lb GCWR.

A triple axle trailer can make it possible to reduce hitch weight to allow for a heavy trailer. That's how I got away with towing an 18K Lb Travel Supreme. I even saw a special built one at a May Madness one year that had 4 axles. I can imagine the lateral stress on the tires and axles turning sharp.

It's both incredible and scary.

It's going to be interesting to follow.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Riverside Jeep]

I was just recalling my 02 Ram 3500 QC 4x4 6spd 4.10 was rated 21K Lb GCWR and now 2019 Max Tow Ram CC 4x4 Aisin 4x4 is rated 43K Lb GCWR.

A triple axle trailer can make it possible to reduce hitch weight to allow for a heavy trailer. That's how I got away with towing an 18K Lb Travel Supreme. I even saw a special built one at a May Madness one year that had 4 axles. I can imagine the lateral stress on the tires and axles turning sharp.

It's both incredible and scary.

It's going to be interesting to follow.

Cheers, Ron

A little off topic but your comment on the lateral stress on multi axle trailers got my mind churning as I have a small self dumping trailer and a travel trailer that I seem to scrub tires off quickly. Over the years hasn't someone developed a simple system to allow the tires to pivot with the turn?

 

[jgillott]

A little off topic but your comment on the lateral stress on multi axle trailers got my mind churning as I have a small self dumping trailer and a travel trailer that I seem to scrub tires off quickly. Over the years hasn't someone developed a simple system to allow the tires to pivot with the turn?

Do your trailers have something like this?

 

[Wiredawg]

A little off topic but your comment on the lateral stress on multi axle trailers got my mind churning as I have a small self dumping trailer and a travel trailer that I seem to scrub tires off quickly. Over the years hasn't someone developed a simple system to allow the tires to pivot with the turn?

When I purchased my 2000 Travel Supreme the salesman suggested moving slowly when making sharp turns to reduce stress. It's worked for me.

Cheers, Ron

 

[TCDiesel]

They do Make steerable Trailer Axles and Tags (Commercial Heavy) , I think Magic tilt will build you a light duty Steerable Axle $$$$

 

[Wiredawg]

They do Make steerable Trailer Axles and Tags (Commercial Heavy) , I think Magic tilt will build you a light duty Steerable Axle $$$$

More $$$$$ AND more weight.

Trailer tires are supposed to handle lateral scrubbing better, but I've had better luck with truck tires. I miss the days when the 5th wheel had same size tires as my truck so ever 3 to 4 years move tires from truck to RV and put new tires on the truck.

Back to topic, I need to check what tires and rating Ram is putting on the 2019 duallies. Wonder if Es still. Ram went from Fs to Gs on the C&Cs. And Ram went big on brakes...imagine stopping 43K Lbs if trailer brakes failed. Yikes.

Cheers, Ron

 

[TFucili]

I saw a TFL video where they pulled a three axle Cimarron horse trailer, and it had a lift axle.

 

[Riverside Jeep]

Do your trailers have something like this?

View attachment 114070

Yes

 

[Cummins12V98]

Tires are still E's. Still PLENTY of rear tire capacity. I am around 9,800# RAWR and the tires have over 11,000# capacity.

For LOOKS I would like a bigger wheel but plenty of capacity stock.