215/75/17.5 H Tires - Not a Tire War

[NIsaacs]

Friends,
Discount tire gave me a deal on the Goodyear G114s. Even though I only run 65MPH, I still like the margin. I've gotten good wear and service out of the 114s that came with the RV. On my Travel Supreme, I lost a Michelin the same way I lost the G114.

Anyhoo, thanks for all the help and thanks for pointing out the speed rating.

Cheers, Ron

So you are going back with oem size? What is your oem size? 235/85x16 or 235/80x16?

Did you mean Goodyear G-614's?

I would still like to know where you found the tier 1-2-3 term about tires. I have not ever heard of that.

 

[Wiredawg]

So you are going back with oem size? What is your oem size? 235/85x16 or 235/80x16?

Did you mean Goodyear G-614's?

I would still like to know where you found the tier 1-2-3 term about tires. I have not ever heard of that.

- No, I didn't mean Goodyear G-614s; OEM size AND tire manufacturer installed OEM on my RV: Goodyear G114 ST 215/75R/17.5 H;

- There are other websites that reference tire manufacturer tiers: https://www.moderntiredealer.com/article/312245/what-is-a-tier-two-tire-tier-three

After you read it, you should find it makes sense.

Cheers, Ron

 

[NIsaacs]

- No, I didn't mean Goodyear G-614s; OEM size AND tire manufacturer installed OEM on my RV: Goodyear G114 ST 215/75R/17.5 H;

- There are other websites that reference tire manufacturer tiers: https://www.moderntiredealer.com/article/312245/what-is-a-tier-two-tire-tier-three

After you read it, you should find it makes sense.

Cheers, Ron

Okay, for some reason I thought the hunt for 17.5's was to upgrade what you had. Maybe this link gave me that assumption.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com...e-in-my-new-truck.267350/page-28#post-2607056

Thanks for the link, I have never seen that about tires. After reading about it, it appears to be mostly "opinion and price" related rather than a good track record of what works and what fails.

 

[Wiredawg]

Okay, for some reason I thought the hunt for 17.5's was to upgrade what you had. Maybe this link gave me that assumption.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com...e-in-my-new-truck.267350/page-28#post-2607056

Thanks for the link, I have never seen that about tires. After reading about it, it appears to be mostly "opinion and price" related rather than a good track record of what works and what fails.

I think the top and the bottom tiers are easy... If its a brand you never heard of, likely a tier 3; if its a brand you recognize, its tier 1. I think the middle was the hardest to recognize, but when you see the names associated with the middle, it may start to make sense. for example, I have tier 3 tires I bought from Discount tire on my dump trailer, which the max run has been around 100 miles. Discount has replaced a couple of them under warranty.

I have Goodyear ST 15s on my car hauler as I the Chinese tires that came on it had two throw rubber. I was near a Walmart to bought 4 GYs. Funny thing (not so much really) is Walmart would not change tires on a trailer. I was hauling my 4WD compact tractor, so unloaded it and raised one side at a time to allow Walmart to mount new ones.

Anyway, glad to help.

Cheers, Ron

 

[GCroyle]

Ron,

Honestly don't remember if the NEW GY ST tires have been mentioned here for lighter trailers. The old ones, Marathon were questionable at best but the new GY ST Endurance has an optimistic reputation on Airforums, Airstream forum. There are two tire engineers that contribute comments and the tire seems to be doing well.

Gary

 

[Cummins12V98]

The GY "ENDURANCE" has been on the market for 2 years and 8 months with a STELLAR record!!!

 

[DavidC]

The oldest Endurance I have has about 2k on it, the other 3 are about 1700. They are about to get another 17-1800 on them. The oldest is about 15 Months and the others about 6.

 

[NIsaacs]

The GY "ENDURANCE" has been on the market for 2 years and 8 months with a STELLAR record!!!

They are probably fine for part time RV use, low miles and age out first. But with only 8/32's tread depth they wouldn't work for me and my dumps. I would have a hard time buying and installing a tire that was half worn out

This is off the Tire Rack site:

"Ratings Charts & reviews Goodyear Endurance
CONSUMER SURVEYS
Tire Category: Trailer Service
This tire hasn't received enough consumer feedback to be rated."

One review of three total.

• "Miles Driven on Tires:
  9,000
  Location:
  HUTTO, TX
• Driving Condition:
  Mostly Highway
  Driving Style:
  Average

3 out of 3 people found the following review helpful:
Initial Review:
July 27, 2019
Really surprised by the short tread life! I've driven about 9000 miles since I bought Goodyear Endurance tires for my camper last summer. Of the original 8/32" tread, I'm down to 3/32"! Tires have very even wear, and inflation has been monitored by TPMS. Someone told me that 12,000 miles was about the most I should expect on trailer tires! If that's all the miles I get, why buy a premium-priced tire? I don't expect to buy these tires again."

 

[Wiredawg]

Friends,

I'm not sure these GY are Endurance because every where I read about them, there is no mention of a name. And to the best of my knowledge these are exactly the same tire that came on my RV. What made the decision to keep with them is how well these have worn over 4 years and at least 30K miles. My wife says we have way more than that, and shes likely right. They have 16/32 tread from the get go.

Our RV unit is heavy at 21KLbs and with 16KLBs sitting on the axles with them. I have to say storing our rig inside the man cave goes a long way in preserving them. They have been through some really terrible roads across America and that's pretty remarkable.

For me, this tire selection exercise has been informative for me, especially the tier group thing. I chose that article to post because it's fair in its representation and disclaimers.

Cheers, Ron

 

[GAmes]

My new 5er came with 15 inch Goodyear Endurance tires. I bought it in OR, pulled it to TX and ordered 16 inch rims with a 6 lug pattern. The trailer now has Michelin Defender LTX/MS tires, the same as the pickup. With the two spares (truck & trailer) I have 12 tires of the same size. I don't have to worry about speed rating, but I drive 57-60 mph when towing. I hate sending any more money to the oil companies than I have to.

 

[NIsaacs]

Friends,
I'm not sure these GY are Endurance
Cheers, Ron

Yes, the G114 are not the same as the Endurance. I don't think they are even made in the 17.5 size. I am sure the G114 are good tires.

 

[Wiredawg]

My new 5er came with 15 inch Goodyear Endurance tires. I bought it in OR, pulled it to TX and ordered 16 inch rims with a 6 lug pattern. The trailer now has Michelin Defender LTX/MS tires, the same as the pickup. With the two spares (truck & trailer) I have 12 tires of the same size. I don't have to worry about speed rating, but I drive 57-60 mph when towing. I hate sending any more money to the oil companies than I have to.

I miss the days when I had my 02 Ram 3500 and 00 Travel Supreme, both using 16" truck tires. I ran tires two to three years on the truck, moved them to the RV, and put new ones on the truck.

I know the Marathons had a bad rep, but in all the years I ran them, only ever lost one. To me, they were very specific to not run over 65MPH, correct tire pressure needed to be right, which is the critical element on ALL tires.

Happy trails, Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

This guy is an tire EXPERT.

My experience analyzing tire returns for a major tire manufacturer says that it is the summer months that matter and that tire failures peak in the 3rd summer, but you get a good indication after the second summer. That means the Goodyear Endurance has experienced 3 summers with no reported non-road hazard failures.

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CapriRacer

Visit my web site: www.BarrysTireTech.com

 

[Cummins12V98]

Friends,

I'm not sure these GY are Endurance because every where I read about them, there is no mention of a name. And to the best of my knowledge these are exactly the same tire that came on my RV. What made the decision to keep with them is how well these have worn over 4 years and at least 30K miles. My wife says we have way more than that, and shes likely right. They have 16/32 tread from the get go.

Our RV unit is heavy at 21KLbs and with 16KLBs sitting on the axles with them. I have to say storing our rig inside the man cave goes a long way in preserving them. They have been through some really terrible roads across America and that's pretty remarkable.

For me, this tire selection exercise has been informative for me, especially the tier group thing. I chose that article to post because it's fair in its representation and disclaimers.

Cheers, Ron

Your tires are NOT the ENDURANCE, here is a list of what they sell and weigh ratings.

 

[Cummins12V98]

My new 5er came with 15 inch Goodyear Endurance tires. I bought it in OR, pulled it to TX and ordered 16 inch rims with a 6 lug pattern. The trailer now has Michelin Defender LTX/MS tires, the same as the pickup. With the two spares (truck & trailer) I have 12 tires of the same size. I don't have to worry about speed rating, but I drive 57-60 mph when towing. I hate sending any more money to the oil companies than I have to.

IMHO you did not do your research. They have a 87mph speed rating and a STELLAR record.

 

[Wiredawg]

Friends,

Reaching out again for opinions:

I've read where the spare is good for 7 to 10 years. My spare is now on the ground, new and 5 years old, having been stored underneath the whole time.

- Would you run it on the ground normal duty cycle? or

- Put it back underneath for a spare?

I plan on every season rotating All tires and next change out 5 years out, replacing all 5.

Anyway, thanks for extending your opinions out to the realm of what to do with the spare.

I know, on my 2017 5500 with 18K miles, I want to rotate my spare with the inside duals so I can do the same strategy of rotating the spare.

Cheers. Ron

 

[GCroyle]

This guy is an tire EXPERT.

My experience analyzing tire returns for a major tire manufacturer says that it is the summer months that matter and that tire failures peak in the 3rd summer, but you get a good indication after the second summer. That means the Goodyear Endurance has experienced 3 summers with no reported non-road hazard failures.

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CapriRacer

Visit my web site: www.BarrysTireTech.com

Yes, CapriRacer and Tireman9 on Airforums are the two tire experts I was referring to in my post and my comment only applied to the GY ST Endurance.

 

[TFucili]

Friends,

Reaching out again for opinions:

I've read where the spare is good for 7 to 10 years. My spare is now on the ground, new and 5 years old, having been stored underneath the whole time.

- Would you run it on the ground normal duty cycle? or

- Put it back underneath for a spare?

I plan on every season rotating All tires and next change out 5 years out, replacing all 5.

Anyway, thanks for extending your opinions out to the realm of what to do with the spare.

I know, on my 2017 5500 with 18K miles, I want to rotate my spare with the inside duals so I can do the same strategy of rotating the spare.

Cheers. Ron

While UV, etc may accelerate the process, tire aging begins when it comes out of the mold. Personally, I would replace it, too. I just don't gamble with tires.

 

[GAmes]

IMHO you did not do your research. They have a 87mph speed rating and a STELLAR record.

I said "I" do not have to worry about speed ratings. The only way my truck could do 87 mph is downhill with a stiff tailwind. Furthermore, only an idiot would drive that fast pulling a trailer anyway.

 

[HPSimpson]

I have GY Endurance ST205 75R14 on boat trailer for last two years pressure set at 60 psi driven each week 395 miles to launch a Rigid Inflatable boat haven't had any trouble.