05 cummins beats an 05 powerstroke?

[JUeckert]

In case you guys didnt know, the 6-speed, 6. 0 liter Strokers have that miss problem, and the automatics dont. The local Ford dealership up here said that at that certain powerband (1500-2200 RPM's), the oil used to fire the electric/hydraulic injectors is foaming! And therefore the injections are messed up. The automatics dont seem to do it because the transmission's seem to shift before this happens. Just food for thought.



P. S. - Several stories of Cummins lasting 500-700,000 plus miles. Never heard of a Stroker over 200k.

never seen a powerstroke with over 200k on it. i do hope you are talking about the 6. 0 . i have seen a ton of 7. 3 strokes with 300+ on them, some in two ton trucks . not saying the dealer didnt pass the info to you,but it really dosent make sense,if the engine is turning 15 to 2200 rpms,why would it matter if it were in front of a manual or a auto? on that note i have hear of some oils in the 6. 0 having problems with foaming,and shearing when the mileage on the oil change is extended. . just one of the reasons why i bought a new cummins. back to the subject,the only time my truck will stay with my brothers 6. 0 is off the line,empty or loaded,onece he is rolling bout all i can do is follow. .

 

[hasselbach]

In case you guys didnt know, the 6-speed, 6. 0 liter Strokers have that miss problem, and the automatics dont. The local Ford dealership up here said that at that certain powerband (1500-2200 RPM's), the oil used to fire the electric/hydraulic injectors is foaming! And therefore the injections are messed up. The automatics dont seem to do it because the transmission's seem to shift before this happens. Just food for thought.



P. S. - Several stories of Cummins lasting 500-700,000 plus miles. Never heard of a Stroker over 200k.

huh? Oil used to fire the electric-hydraulic injectors?



did you get that from a car SALESMAN perhaps?

 

[JCleary]

We have a stock F250 ext. cab short box 2wd with the 6. 0 and 3. 73's. That thing will smoke me, even with the quad on 140. I guess I'd be in front if I had an auto...



But, as others have said, that Ford is FAST!

 

[DPKetchum]

I read the FORD sites alomost daily also. The 6. 0 dosen't have a MISS problem in the 6 speeds. It has NO LOW END POWER. Its just real noticeable in the manual shift. The AUTO trans in the Ford splits 1st and 2nd gear to help get it rolling. The few I EGGED on blew my doors off! Lots of middle and HIGH rpm power for a diesel. Almost like a gas burner. They also say 1 out of every 10 03 6. 0s were bought back. They were a NIGHTMARE for all involved.

 

[2Gen3Gen]

CTD faster than a Powerstroke?? I thing NOT. I had a 97 F350 Crew Cab Duelly that would leave any Cummins in the dust and my truck was 100% stock, except for the drop deck 5th wheel with 13k on it as I was traveling up some of the hills on I-40 between Oklahoma and Calif. I could do 80+ up every hill with NO problem and passed EVERY Dodge. Now, on another note, I was also getting about 9 mpg! or less. i had a 100 gallon fuel cell along with the 2 - 20 gallon factory tanks.

Now, the new improved 03 and newer smaller Powerstroke, I cant say how it stacks up to the CTD. All I can say is that my 04. 5 has been my baby and is NOT a tow truck. Not that it can't, but I dont have the need to pull anything except a small bumper pull travel trailer. So far to date, i have loged a whopp'n 400 miles towing a trailer and I didnt even feel it behind me. I have my CTD for the value, comfort, good looks (soon to change with the 06) and resale value. My 04. 5 has had the best of care and all service as per D/C, except the oil changes. I have that done without fail every 3000 miles. Oil is cheap insurance! I am ready to sell my 04. 5 due to my wife and her tuition at school. This is her last semester and it is about $10k. OUCH. I would rather part with my beloved truck than go into debt to pay for medical school. Once she graduates and opens her practice, then Ill be getting another. I also have a NEW Corvette picked out for next year!

Anyone interested in my truck, it is in the TDR Classifieds. I might add that Im getting flexable on the price as tuition is due in September!

 

[hasselbach]

They also say 1 out of every 10 03 6. 0s were bought back. They were a NIGHTMARE for all involved.

I seriously doubt 1 in 10 has been bought back by Ford, that would be a huge recall with lots of press. Can you imagine if actually 1 in 10 would have been bought back? Just about everyone that owned a 03 would be banging on Ford's door for the buyback.

 

[thejeepdude]

CTD faster than a Powerstroke?? I thing NOT. I had a 97 F350 Crew Cab Duelly that would leave any Cummins in the dust and my truck was 100% stock, except for the drop deck 5th wheel with 13k on it as I was traveling up some of the hills on I-40 between Oklahoma and Calif. I could do 80+ up every hill with NO problem and passed EVERY Dodge.

Um, just because someone is pulling a load up a grade at less than 80mph doesn't mean their truck isn't capable of doing it. I set my cruise on 62 when towing (55mph limit in CA) and it stays that speed whether I'm going up a steep hill or not. If you pass me, I don't say "oh what a sweet powerful truck he has". :-laf

 

[DPKetchum]

I don't. The 03/04 6. 0 ate their lunch. There are posts that the same guys had TWO buybacks and working on total $ refunds and there was SEVERAL posting this at the same time. The word was that between the rollover lawsuits and the 6. 0s Ford was HURTING badly. The one in ten buyback came from a FORD site. The Ford sites have CALMED down this past year but for a LONG time it was slaming with HUGE 6. 0 issues. I would never dream of buying a 03/04 USED Ford 6. 0. Even now some of the issues continue. Read the DIESELSTOP. COM and go through their archives.

 

[Bertram65]

CTD faster than a Powerstroke?? I thing NOT. I had a 97 F350 Crew Cab Duelly that would leave any Cummins in the dust and my truck was 100% stock, except for the drop deck 5th wheel with 13k on it as I was traveling up some of the hills on I-40 between Oklahoma and Calif. I could do 80+ up every hill with NO problem and passed EVERY Dodge. Now, on another note, I was also getting about 9 mpg! or less. i had a 100 gallon fuel cell along with the 2 - 20 gallon factory tanks.

Now, the new improved 03 and newer smaller Powerstroke, I cant say how it stacks up to the CTD. All I can say is that my 04. 5 has been my baby and is NOT a tow truck. Not that it can't, but I dont have the need to pull anything except a small bumper pull travel trailer. So far to date, i have loged a whopp'n 400 miles towing a trailer and I didnt even feel it behind me. I have my CTD for the value, comfort, good looks (soon to change with the 06) and resale value. My 04. 5 has had the best of care and all service as per D/C, except the oil changes. I have that done without fail every 3000 miles. Oil is cheap insurance! I am ready to sell my 04. 5 due to my wife and her tuition at school. This is her last semester and it is about $10k. OUCH. I would rather part with my beloved truck than go into debt to pay for medical school. Once she graduates and opens her practice, then Ill be getting another. I also have a NEW Corvette picked out for next year!

Anyone interested in my truck, it is in the TDR Classifieds. I might add that Im getting flexable on the price as tuition is due in September!

Nice looking truck, $38k though? I thought with the discounts and rebates you could get a loaded '05 for about $36k.

 

[hasselbach]

I don't. The 03/04 6. 0 ate their lunch. There are posts that the same guys had TWO buybacks and working on total $ refunds and there was SEVERAL posting this at the same time. The word was that between the rollover lawsuits and the 6. 0s Ford was HURTING badly. The one in ten buyback came from a FORD site. The Ford sites have CALMED down this past year but for a LONG time it was slaming with HUGE 6. 0 issues. I would never dream of buying a 03/04 USED Ford 6. 0. Even now some of the issues continue. Read the DIESELSTOP. COM and go through their archives.

Which ford site claims 1 in 10?



I love it when someone says "They say... . 1 in blah blah blah... . " Which is how stupid rumors get started. I go to a lot of horse events since my daughter is sponsored right now, and most if not all the trucks are Fords. I have yet to talk to anyone that has had major problems with their 03's, and there are a lot of them and they tow heavy and hard. Don't ya think if 1 in 10 were bought back you would hear about it?



And who exactly claimed it as an accurate statement on the 'ford' site? I see some really dumb things posted on this site, so does that make it an absolute fact for those quoting it about dodges on the ford site?



Yes, some of the 6. 0 have head gasket issues, and some even bubble in the coolant, but so what? Ford has changed the head gasket design and apparently fixed the problems.



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[Giachino]

The new cummins automatic will edge out a stock 6. 0 and duramax automatic. .

This has been my experience... . I dont race, not overly interested, but by my house there is a two lane road that narrows to 1 lane right after the traffic light... . inevitably, people like to get in the lane that merges (which they shouldnt) and try to beat you... . so every time I'm first at the light (in the correct lane), I drag who ever is there... . becasue they **** me off... .



Granted, it's only about 600 feet before they run out of room and have to beat you or merge... .



Brand New Chevy (no plates)..... beat him by 2 car lengths



Brand New Ford (no plates)... . beat him by 1 length



Rice Rocket (honda punk car) with turbo pop offs absolutely smoked my ***



Newer Corvette... . I didnt even try.....



Maybe it's the drivers, but I doubt it, I race dirtbikes, not cars / trucks... . they must really be poor dirvers if it's my skills beating them.

 

[Giachino]

The new cummins automatic will edge out a stock 6. 0 and duramax automatic. . With programming, it's a different story. .

Forgot, also the Ford Biased (my opinion) "Diesel Power" Magazine (first issue)rated the Dodge marginally faster from 0-60 than the Ford and quite a bit faster than the Chevy... . that being said, the ford beat the dodge at max towing speed uphill... ... dont know if anyone cares, just participating... .

 

[hasselbach]

This has been my experience... . I dont race, not overly interested, but by my house there is a two lane road that narrows to 1 lane right after the traffic light... . inevitably, people like to get in the lane that merges (which they shouldnt) and try to beat you... . so every time I'm first at the light (in the correct lane), I drag who ever is there... . becasue they **** me off... .



Granted, it's only about 600 feet before they run out of room and have to beat you or merge... .



Brand New Chevy (no plates)..... beat him by 2 car lengths



Brand New Ford (no plates)... . beat him by 1 length



Rice Rocket (honda punk car) with turbo pop offs absolutely smoked my ***



Newer Corvette... . I didnt even try.....



Maybe it's the drivers, but I doubt it, I race dirtbikes, not cars / trucks... . they must really be poor dirvers if it's my skills beating them.

Its probably because the Ford and Chevy driver were being a good driver , and not cutting in front of you, hardly a scientific test in my opinion. I rest my point about things being posted that make no sense or have any basis. . :-laf

 

[2Gen3Gen]

Nice looking truck, $38k though? I thought with the discounts and rebates you could get a loaded '05 for about $36k.

First off, find one, second, add the line-x, camper and a few other things. As for the employee price, that is a sales ploy. better deals can be made with the rebates if they are still out there. But, then again, yo need to locate a truck. The ugly 06's are on the way and they will be even more. :-laf

 

[Giachino]

... hardly a scientific test in my opinion. I rest my point about things being posted that make no sense or have any basis. . :-laf

Wow, I'm pretty easy going, but what a **** comment! Just trying to share an experience... . not trying to prove a hypothesis, or follow the scientific method... . read the second post I put on this topic... in theory, they were scientific in their approach to comparing the trucks 0-60 times..... is that ok to post or are you butt hurt on that one too? I look forward to reviewing you award winning scientific research presented on all your posts!

 

[hasselbach]

Wow, I'm pretty easy going, but what a **** comment! Just trying to share an experience... . not trying to prove a hypothesis, or follow the scientific method... . read the second post I put on this topic... in theory, they were scientific in their approach to comparing the trucks 0-60 times..... is that ok to post or are you butt hurt on that one too? I look forward to reviewing you award winning scientific research presented on all your posts!

Okay, I guess I ruffled your feathers.



Here's my point, some guy in a duramax or Ford drives up the right hand side of a lane that is diminishing, and you jump on your Dodge and cut him off. So your theory is you smoked em and the Dodge is faster. Right? LMAO!



I just can't see how that proves anything but the fact you drive like the typical rude Los Angeles driver on the freeway, looking for the opportunity to cut off someone that needs to move over in a merging lane.

 

[BRayls]

the tst covers them , litterally in smoke. heck turn it off and let the ez cover them,smokeless.

 

[thejeepdude]

I just can't see how that proves anything but the fact you drive like the typical rude Los Angeles driver on the freeway, looking for the opportunity to cut off someone that needs to move over in a merging lane.

Actually I think you have this bass ackwards. I'm with Giachino. He was in the straight lane. The guy he smoked was in the diminishing lane. People do that here all the time. It doesn't really bother me tho, unless the person in the diminishing lane guns it to get ahead, then proceeds to slow to EXACTLY the speed limit in front of me. But I must admit, I am guilty from time to time. I don't see a problem with it as 99% of people present no challenge. If I tried to pass on that side and Giachino jumped on it, I'd just back off and tuck nicely behind him, still well ahead of the granny that was behind him at the light and took off at 1/5 the speed. No harm no foul. . man some people are sensitive. Let's save our energy for the real idiots... people that don't know how to merge! The people that drive 45 down the onramp to a 65mph interstate and expect people to slow down so they can get on... idiots! #@$%!

 

[nickleinonen]

huh? Oil used to fire the electric-hydraulic injectors?



did you get that from a car SALESMAN perhaps?

nope, that is what they use... the 7. 3 and now the 6. 0 use HEUI injectors. the 7. 3's had an older design that was very similar to the ones used in cat 3126 engines. the new 6. 0 uses a siemens g2 heui injector.



the engine has a axial piston hydraulic pump, that uses the engine lube oil as the hydraulic medium. there is a pwm controled valve that sets the oil pressure going to the injectors. in the injector you have an electronic control cartridge that controls the oil entering the amplifier piston that is about 7x larger than the lower piston/plunger that is connected to it. hp oil presses down on the amplifier piston, then it in turn moves down the plunger which will block off the fuel spill port in the lower half and then the fuel injection process begins.



link to CAT pdf file that shows a cut away of a heui injector on pg 3





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[LesStallings]

Nick, nice job. Polite, informative, appreciated.