05 voided my warranty 27,000 miles

[eloy]

I got a 05 that had alot of blow by took it to dealer and they voided my warranty because I had a straight pipe, after market air filter, velcro on my fuse box, and could tell I had a programer. But did not know what is wrong with it. My buddy knew a guy at anther dealer so called them to see if warranty was voided they ran vin and said it showed it still had a warranty so took it to them but in meantime they got something saying it was voided so they did not get a chance to find out what is wrong anybody know what it might be. You can hear a miss through the exuast and has alot of blow by :{ :{

 

[aggieLR]

Probably a bad injector. And if you used a programer/chip and anything aftermarket, you should have been prepared for loosing your warranty.

 

[y-knot]

At least your not crying about it. Althought you did attempt to hide the fact that you were running a electronic controller. Dodge (and not just Dodge, Chevrolet and Ford too have caught on to this popular trend on boosting power) has wised up and is on top of these issue, they do not play around any more. Once the determination is made that you have voided your warranty for one reason or another, they get the word out fast to all the dealers. No more dealer shopping to see if you can slide by, this now follows you and your truck by Vin Number, bottom line is they are tired of being burned by hot rodders that want power but expect them to fix things when something happens.

Also, not sure if you have noticed, but there is an alarming trend happening. The newer trucks are having far to many troubles. First it was the axles and running gear after they switched over from Dana. That issue is still a hot one, but what is worse is the engine problems that are springing up. Read through the post of the newer trucks and there is a rash of engine related failures. Many, many requiring a new engine assembly. I am seeing many piston failures and injector problems , and they all seem to start with rough idle,running conditions.

Getting back to the thread, I do not think it wise to be playing around with to many aftermarket toys, considering the problems Cummins is experiencing. Yes Cummins is a good engine builder , just not the great one they use to be. I believe most problems stem from the 5. 9L block having run it's coarse. After 30+ years of service and what with the last 5 years of the power wars between the big three(3), I think the 5. 9L has been push past it's window or margin of reliability. Years ago the engine was over built, it put out 160-180HP and would run all day for 300-500 thousand miles. Now it has been pushed to 350HP, and is not anywhere near as reliable. It has simple run it's coarse in time.

Why do you think they are coming out with the 6. 7L???? And why do you thin it is only rated at 300HP?????

Think about it????? This is the start of a new area, like the 5. 9L was 30+ years ago. The 6. 7L was built with todays HP and Torque ratings in mind. The block, crank, rods, pistons and everything else that make it work, were designed around the ideal of an engine 300 and up HP. The new 6. 7L will once again restore the "beef" to the Cummins engine. That same "Beef" that was eaten away over the years as people wanted more and more HP.

I have heard so many people say, "The new engine(6. 7L) isn't important, it is physically bigger and makes less HP". Well I say you are dead wrong. You are looking at the issue through tainted spectacles. The new engine will help restore the durability issues that have been lost, and play the foundation for the next generation of diesel power.

Yes the new engines will have to meet stricter emissions standards, but all engines, gas or diesel, have to meet ever changing EPA standards. If we want more diesels in our future, like the Euopean's have, then this is one step we have to make. I think diesels are on the verge of a major break-out in the USA, they are cleaner, quieter, and more powerful then ever. Almost every major auto maker is working on some type of diesel power plant to offer up to the US market. Today, where I live gas is over $3 a gallon, with all the action set to take place over seas, who knows what it will be next month, I would not be suprised to see $4 soon. VW has a TDI that get 50+ MPG, and looks good doing it. Honda is already selling it's civic in Europe with a diesel. Ford will come out with there new6. 4L twin turbo charged diesel in 2007 for the Super duty Pickups. It's a great time for diesels, just maybe not a great time to start bombing on them.

 

[DPKetchum]

Bet a burnt piston or dropped valve seat.

 

[eloy]

Probably a bad injector. And if you used a programer/chip and anything aftermarket, you should have been prepared for loosing your warranty.

they did not think it was bad injector

you can't blame a guy for trying to get better mileage. I thought a small town dealer would take good care of a person that has bought 4 vehicles from them in the last 10 years

 

[GButia]

The 6. 7 will restore the beef... . hmmmm..... ask chevy and volkswagon about egr's and the issues they are causing,add a particulate trap... . they don't equal reliability at all. There are plenty of 3rd gens making plenty of power and lasting the course. And as always..... you are gonna hear about the failures here... a rash... I think not.

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

I think its pretty dirty that most dealers, especially Ford dealers will offer to sell and even install a chip for you then void your warranty if something happens. I know several dealers that sell chips. I say get all you can out of the sorry B*****ds. Their sure gonna get all they can out of you. They definately are not gonna do you any favors, regardless of if you have done any upgrades. A friend of mine bought a 2005 new last year for $45,000 and with 6000 miles on it, he got some bad fuel. it had water in it and killed a few injectors. They told him," Sorry about your luck, but that problems between you and the gas station. " And voided his warranty, extended warranty I might add. So I definately have no respect for a company that does business like that. They deserve to be screwed as much as possible. Not that I take mine to the dealer anyway. I don't want them working on mine, period. But when a guy spends $45,000 and buys an extended warranty on top of that, he should be taken care of. thats just sorry as hell. But thats just one of the stories. I could go on and on. But I'm done venting now.

 

[DPKetchum]

The manufactures I worked for NEVER warrantied WATER in fuel damage ever. Whats the differance cause its a diesel. Had gas companys on ones with receipts of last purchase jump up to the plate several times. A few auto insurance companys also after a mad husband or wife put the hose to a gas tank.

 

[zstroken]

I personally don't think that the 5. 9 is at the overdesign point. Do we seem to forget the marine version?? How many of the engine replacements are caused by bad injector leaking fuel into the engine and contaminating the oil? The HPCR block has been beefed up. The 6. 7 is a hey look over here, while we slide in all of the new emissions stuff. Now should the warranty be voided because of the box??? I don't think they should void the warranty, the should exclude certain items from warranty. You install a box and your tailgate handle breaks?? I think that should still be covered. Install a box and burn up your transmission? I think you should be on your own. If a dealer installs a box on a vehicle and tell you that it will not void the warranty, get it in writing!!

 

[Hammer]

I got a 05 that had alot of blow by took it to dealer and they voided my warranty because I had a straight pipe, after market air filter, velcro on my fuse box, and could tell I had a programer

Ma Mopar has for years said ANY improvement in air flow does void a warranty,no matter if its exhaust or air intakes mods. Thats why here its a "I am my own warranty station" environment.



I am at a complete loss why an owner complains when he knowingly does the modifications and then doesn't like when the warranty gets terminated... ... . Andy

 

[SKneeland]

Ma Mopar has for years said ANY improvement in air flow does void a warranty,no matter if its exhaust or air intakes mods. Thats why here its a "I am my own warranty station" environment.



I am at a complete loss why an owner complains when he knowingly does the modifications and then doesn't like when the warranty gets terminated... ... . Andy

I AM going to buy a new truck, and i AM going to bomb the **** out of it.

I dont have the option to purchase the truck at a discount without warranty coverage, therefore any & every little bit of warranty i can squeeze out of DC helps...

 

[HBarlow]

I agree with Y-knot's piece above. It seems pretty obvious to me that Cummins didn't spend millions of dollars to develop, test, and market a new larger displacement version of the small inline 6 turbodiesel because their engineers were bored and wanted something to do or because they wanted to spend money. After almost 20 years of offering the trusty ISB in our Dodge Rams and longer in medium duty trucks while increasing the rated horsepower by a factor of 100% (160-325)and rated torque by 50% (440-610) it seems likely to me that the faithful old ISB powerplant has reached it's reasonable maximum rated power levels if reliability and long life are to be maintained. In plain words, there ain't no more. Hasn't the Cummins website reduced the claimed life to overhaul figures over the last several years?



Like Y-knot I have also noted with concern the number of recent posts by fellow TDR members reporting catastrophic engine failure. It is not scientific evidence by any means but anecodotal evidence reported in this forum surely seems to indicate the increased possibility that use of power enhancing components is somehow related to early and catastrophic engine failures. Yes, I have read some reports of failures that appear to be factory original unmolested engines that have failed, probably due to the increased complexity and operating pressures of the HPCR injection system. Every old hotrodder knows that more power costs more money and increases the possibility of broken parts.



I was willing to take the risk when I bought a set of Bosch "275 hp" motorhome injectors for my previous '01 HO. I was optimistic that no harm would result but very aware that if the engine failed it was going to be replaced at my expense. Every time I pulled a steep grade and watched the pyrometer climb, sometimes briefly against the peg, I thought about the cost of a new engine coming out of my budget. That truck still runs strong and consumes very little oil after 322k miles, much of it towing heavy. But I don't feel that same confidence with the new HPCR engine. I think the risk is far greater. I'm not going to even think of modifying the engine.



I am also surprised when grown men complain, sometimes angrily and harshly, when Daimler-Chrysler refuses to repair or replace failed engines when there is ample evidence of modification of critical components. What happened to accepting personal responsibility? We Americans are fiercely independent --- we will fight for our right to do as we please. Sometimes we forget that with that independence goes equal personal responsibility. I don't mean this to offend anyone but I don't want DC to pay for failed engines that result from modification. Warranty costs could run into tens of millions of dollars and increase the cost of my next truck.



Each to his own. This is only an expression of my personal opinion.



Harvey

 

[RCenters]

Local diesel repair shop that does warrenty work for a big dodge dealer has been calling the shop asking about trucks in pulling at these local fairs , he was told that there paying the employes to go to these events wright vin #s down and if they compete they will void the warrenty , heard of one already but dunno for sure

 

[cerberusiam]

After 30+ years of service and what with the last 5 years of the power wars between the big three(3), I think the 5. 9L has been push past it's window or margin of reliability. Years ago the engine was over built, it put out 160-180HP and would run all day for 300-500 thousand miles. Now it has been pushed to 350HP, and is not anywhere near as reliable. It has simple run it's coarse in time.

Well, I guess if you ignore every use EXCEPT the light duty truck trucks, that conclusion could be reached, but its far from the total use these engines have been in. While the early engines in the trucks were only 160-180 the marine and industrial versions were far above that with excellent service records. In fact there were versions of the B5. 9 that were rated similar to the current ISB versions.



Catastrophic failures in the older ones happened too, and were usually related to the failure of critical components. Not unlike the current failures we are seeing. Simply because an engine fails because an injector sticks open or a valve seat drops does not mean it has reached its potential. The reality is the fuel system components are not up to dealing with the fuel that we are forced to use. IF the fuel industry had progressed as fast as the rest of the technology its a fair bet the out come would be different.



Today it is simply to EASY for any one with a credit card to install a device that can ultimately cause an engine failure. It wasn't that long ago it took a fairly competent person to up the power and still provide a usable vehicle. The failures were less because the knowledge of the limits was inherent with the job. Those days are gone.



There is a very good reason ALL the manufacturers are backing out of warranties when tampering is suspected. As cliche as it is "I am my own warranty station" is so much truer today than when it was coined.



Eloy, I feel for you but thats the way it is. You will need to pay to get it fixed but wihat what you have learned, the good news is once it is fixed you still have a very good engine that will last a long time.

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

Possibly a blown head gasket? I know that will cause a miss out of the exhaust, and probably some blow-by.

 

[steved]

I am also surprised when grown men complain, sometimes angrily and harshly, when Daimler-Chrysler refuses to repair or replace failed engines when there is ample evidence of modification of critical components. What happened to accepting personal responsibility? We Americans are fiercely independent --- we will fight for our right to do as we please. Sometimes we forget that with that independence goes equal personal responsibility. I don't mean this to offend anyone but I don't want DC to pay for failed engines that result from modification. Warranty costs could run into tens of millions of dollars and increase the cost of my next truck.



Each to his own. This is only an expression of my personal opinion.



Harvey

Then what about those of us that get hosed on warranty THAT HAVE NO MODS?? I have had what should have been warranty items NOT covered under warranty... just because the dealers in my area felt like not warrantying it.



For those of you the defend DC, wait until you have something that should be under warranty denied when there is no reason for the warranty to be denied, THEN see what you have to say about that... I personally enjoy every single time that someone gives it to DC... since they are WAY to eager to void or not warranty repairs, serves them right.



I have bought my last new dodge truck...



steved

 

[Russellmag]

My local dealer won't even warranty my AC because of my mods? In fact they told me never to come back to them and they didn't even want my buisness???

 

[DPKetchum]

Some times you'd have to wear the OTHER hat to understand.

 

[steved]

Some times you'd have to wear the OTHER hat to understand.

The other hat: ... deny warranty as much as you can since that costs us money on the bottom line...



Sorry, but DC only denies warranty so they make a larger profit on junk they sell.



steved

 

[HBarlow]

I've had a couple of minor warranty items replaced by dealers on the previous Dodge and one on this one under warranty. No questions, no complaints. Carlton Bale, Jacobs engineer, read a post on this site several years ago when I posted about a problem I was having with my '01. Carlton contacted me and told me what the problem was and how to get it covered under warranty then he contacted STAR and the selling dealer to provide information in support of my claim from the other side.



My current truck is clearly a commercial truck to any service writer. It is obviously set up for heavy and constant commercial RV towing. Daimler-Chrysler might be in a strong position to deny warranty claims based on commercial use.



I experienced a low battery voltage alarm early one morning along I-44 near Springfield, MO recently and wheeled into a foreign Dodge dealer. My commercial signs were on the doors, the truck was dirty from several weeks on the road, all sorts of equipment including Jake Brake, GPS, gauges, CB, 5th wheel, gooseneck, and conventional hitches, a big fuel tank, V-notched rear tool/storage box, and additional auxiliary backup and hitch lights were mounted on the bed and rear of the truck as well as an extra seven pin female receptacle in the bed. If you've ever seen a transporter's truck you know what they look like. The busy dealership squeezed me into their booked service appointments, diagnosed a failed alternator, and agreed to cannibalize an alternator off a new truck in inventory and install it on my truck so I could get back on the road. They knew I was for-hire. I could not have asked for kinder, more professional service.



If you are sure you have valid warranty issues and Daimler-Chrysler is abusing you by refusing to honor your claims why don't you file a lawsuit or demand a buyback under the lemon laws of your state.



If you think Dodges are bad products and Dodge dealers and DC are cheating you would you be happier driving, or being towed in, in a new Ford?



You are certainly entitled to your opinions but have you asked yourself, "am I being objective and fair?"



Harvey