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Hello. Long time lurker, first time poster.
For many months my truck has very intermittently had a "miss" or "lope" when idling. There is a loss of power when it does this. The first time it happened I was "getting on it" to pass someone on the highway. Truck lost power and started the missing thing. I took it easy and after a while it seemed to straiten up. Since then it will do it upon starting the vehicle. Sometimes it will clear up, sometimes I just drive another vehicle and try it later.
There is no unusual smoke out the exhaust when this happens. When the truck is running normally it runs great, no unusual smoke, power loss or degraded fuel economy.
Until yesterday. Was out in the boonies with wife and daughter. Started truck to go home. It did the "miss" thing very slightly so I headed out. Got about 100' and it started making a loud clicking noise. Not really a knock, more like something clunking around in the engine or under the front of the truck. I pulled to the side of the road and it was smoking heavy black smoke then a lighter colored white/grey smoke. I turned the ignition off and the engine "dieseled" for maybe 5 to 10 seconds. Waited a couple minutes and restarted the truck. It ran very rough and had pretty heavy lighter covered smoke. Parked in a safer area, shut vehicle off and checked oil, etc. Looked for leaks. Oh, I did notice the exhaust smelled like a chemical smell, similar to rancid gasoline. I do use Power Service in the white bottle and had added some to about a half tank of fuel prior to this trip. Anyway, started truck back up and seemed to run normally with the exception of a little black smoke here and there idling so we started driving again. Also noted the clicking noise was only present the one time. While driving home I noticed slight black smoke with slight acceleration which cleared up after driving a few miles then truck ran normal, great, for the rest of the hour drive home. The check engine light never came on. It never has.
I bought the truck new. Has just shy of 150k miles. Don't pull much with it. Maybe a trailered vehicle or tractor a few times a year. I did check for codes with a code reader and found none. I don't want to go to the dealer, another story... I am familiar with gas engines and do all of my own work on my Jeeps and others vehicles but I am a newbie to diesel repair. Sorry for the winded post. Any guidance on where to start is MUCH appreciated!
 
Sounds like you and Rockranch are having similar problems with the exception of the color of the smoke. Take a look at his thread "Knocking and gray/white smoke" which is currently on here. Are you able to monitor your boost pressure?
- Ed
 
Thanks for the quick response, Ed. I'll look at the thread you mentioned. I don't have any gauges to monitor anything other than what's in the dash.
 
There seems to be an epidemic of this going on. Cerb and p-Bar should be posting pretty quick. Follow their advise.
- Ed
 
The only thing Rockranch and I seem to have in common is the color of smoke. My truck always starts right up just like it always has, even when it idles rough. It does the rough idling thing intermittently. It might do it twice in a row one day and be fine for a month then do it again. Does not matter if the truck has sat all night or if I shut it off for say 20-30 minutes and restart it. It may start cold just fine then after driving and a stop/restart it acts up. Or it may act up cold and not do it the rest of the day. If it is going to act up, I can tell immediately by the rough idle. I do not have to be driving or revving the engine to get it to run rough when it does. It has only started fine and acted up after driving once, the very first time. I'm probably not explaining this well. I am completely stock. The truck has never been modified. The only difference from off the lot was I had whatever programming update the factory had for the white smoke issue. That was 9 yrs ago and I don't relate it to this problem, which began last summer. Anyone else? I can't be the only one having an issue like this. Oh, as far as the knock, clunk or whatever noise, that only happened once yesterday. Never before. Thanks!
 
I wanted to add too, and this is from my limited knowledge... The thing that stands out to me is that it ran for a little while after the key was turned off. If it were a gasoline engine you'd say it "dieseled". I know all this engine needs is fuel, compression and air to run. The engine was running before I shut it off (obviously) and a diesel engine doesn't regulate the air it takes in so in my limited opinion I'd say it had to have been getting fuel when it shouldn't have, hence the running after the key was off and the greyish smoke. That's as far as I can take it without just throwing parts at it, which I'd like to avoid. I suppose it's possible there is some electrical / electronic problem that could cause it but I can't see all the pumps supplying fuel to the injectors and then opening the injectors simultaneously. Maybe all of these systems have a common control mechanism. I don't know. If they do, I don't believe I wouldn't have had other issues. And there would probably be a CEL, which i havent had. So that leaves me thinking a mechanical problem with an injector or more than one. I don't know if the common rail system stays under pressure or for how long it does, if it does.
 
What year truck?

Still have the CAT on it?

Where did you buy fuel last? Was it the normal place?

Off hand, you got some bad fuel somewhere. I would dose it heavy with Power Service and 2SO, see what happens.
 
For some reason I lost my last 2 attempts at a reply... Yes, has original cat. Buy fuel from high volume sales station. Same place, same pump. Can I do a "religious" additive regiment to 100% rule out bad fuel problem? Thanks
 
Oh. I also don't mind someone answering me like I don't know anything. I like to know who, what ,why where, etc. Could bad fuel cause the engine to run on after shutting the truck off? If so, how? In my limited knowledge that seems a key to whatever the problem is. Or is that not uncommon and why?
 
No, additives will rule out a slug of bad fuel. It might help minimize the impact or damage but won't really prove bad fuel.

From your descriptions of symptoms it was over fueling for some reason. Excess fuel in the cylinders when the key is shut off will cause it to continue to run on or "diesel". The ECU will try to maintain idle by increasing fueling, if you have bad fuel it can throw too much in there and it will stumble along after the key is shut off. As you hinted a diesel is not like a gasser where air is shutdown and it dies as soon as fuel is shut of. However a loaded engine will continue to run a bit, same thing can happen in a diesel for a variety of reasons.

Could be a slug of bad fuel or it could be injectors hanging open intermittently until temp is the cylinder and engine is just right. Also, electronics are finicky. A bad battery or dirty connection will cause all manner of symptoms, some of which you describe. A turbo with a hanging WG will emulate over fueling off idle, just a lot of things that can happen.

Different years of trucks will react differently hence my question on what year of truck. How many miles on the truck and do you regularly use a cleaning type additive?

The CAT will make things smell totally wrong when things are good, really weird if you get over fueling or maybe gasoline mixed in the fuel. You would not be the first person that got a slug of gas from a diesel pump. The delivery system from dock to station is notorious for what can go wrong.
 
Thank you much for the explanation. It all makes sense. I guess I've been lucky with fuel for a long time if that's the issue. I'll try the Power Service and 2 stroke oil as you suggested and report back in a couple months to how it works.

One more question: what do you mean by "heavy dose"? Maybe twice what bottle of PS says and a couple or 3 of the small 2so to a full tank? Thank you. John
 
The only thing Rockranch and I seem to have in common is the color of smoke. My truck always starts right up just like it always has, even when it idles rough. It does the rough idling thing intermittently. It might do it twice in a row one day and be fine for a month then do it again. Does not matter if the truck has sat all night or if I shut it off for say 20-30 minutes and restart it. It may start cold just fine then after driving and a stop/restart it acts up. Or it may act up cold and not do it the rest of the day. If it is going to act up, I can tell immediately by the rough idle. I do not have to be driving or revving the engine to get it to run rough when it does. It has only started fine and acted up after driving once, the very first time. I'm probably not explaining this well. I am completely stock. The truck has never been modified. The only difference from off the lot was I had whatever programming update the factory had for the white smoke issue. That was 9 yrs ago and I don't relate it to this problem, which began last summer. Anyone else? I can't be the only one having an issue like this. Oh, as far as the knock, clunk or whatever noise, that only happened once yesterday. Never before. Thanks!

Croll,
Mine started much like yours sounds now. It's just that I don't drive mine a lot in the winter and I have been plugging along trying to find the problem, when I have time. It has just gotten worse.
 
Rockranch,
Thanks for your help! Best of luck to you. I guess I need some more guages to maybe help diagnose this. I'll post any revelations.
 
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