06' NGM Diesel open house

[Bandit1]

b4 any bets are dished out or even accepted there must be some guidelines to the entry, exactly what has been claimed in previous posts, single, #2 only.

 

[lmills]

You all make it sound like you take it personal. I have tried to make it clear, there is no personal attack here. I am just stating a fact. Don't believe me???? Look around for yourself. The proof is all over the TDR. Check and see what most 555 engines are making. So far I only know of a small handful of 305/555 engines that are even breaking 600 let alone 700. Think what you want... .....



Now for the $700 trophy, I know it was mentioned at the Brawl. I can't say for sure if you got word of it, but I do know for a fact it was mentioned. Don M alone put up $500 towards it. What have you got to lose???? You all say it makes 700 HP, so take it to Kauffmans and put it to rest. You have nothing to lose but pride and a days wages. If it does what you pretty much guarantee it will, then you will put what ever is in the pot in Wade's pocket for a day of playing.



So far the dyno runs are paid for if he breaks 650 HP, which you say it will. And if he breaks 700 HP the prize money is up to $300. So it would definitely be in his benefit to take it up there for a day. I am sure $300 is more that enough compensation for a days wages lost.





Oh yeh----Autos are almost always faster than sticks. Not to mention you never got to race Wade with the 555 HP combo you had.

 

[Jetpilot]

i know his truck is as fast as we say it is, we dont need to really start a war over it eather.

Lets see..... 12. 60 @ 110 doesn't even come close the the HP you guys are spouting off about. The problem is all we keep hearing is how kick butt Wade's truck is, but then when its time to put up all that is shown is excuses.

 

[lmills]

the prize so far :-laf

 

[Bandit1]

how did his truck get dtuned from 800 to 700 now he is trying to break 650. maybe i am missing something, i am a "poor government worker" that just swings wrenches and drinks beer/JACK for the **** of it.

 

[lmills]

wow thats a lot to cover. you mean to tell me that don is paying 500 towards wades 700hp truck run? and the dyno's are paid for if it makes 650 or better? this is getting good. btw lloyd i have had a smarty for sometime and we have done a side by side comparison with our dyno combo. but if all this holds true about the money, im sure wade will miss out on a day of work to make it happen

Robert, you may have had a smarty for a while but there is NO WAY that stock clutch held enough for you to get an accurate side by side test with you and Wade racing. You yourself said your clutch was trashed on the dyno, let alone racing it on the road? Who you trying to fool???



Just tell him to take it to Kauffmans and run it. The runs are taken care of if he breaks 650. If he breaks 700 he puts some cash in his pocket. The ones that offer up the money should be on site to see the numbers



As for Don M paying 500, I am not sure if the offer is still good. I know it was mentioned at the event, but that is because Don wanted to see our trucks in a side by side comparison... ... It never happened. Now it is up to Don if he wants to throw the offer out again

 

[Jetpilot]

I believe that Don's offer was for Wade to trash Fred Huber..... So that would mean he needs to get close to 800. Besides like you mention the offer was for that day not any day he decides to waltz in and try it out.

 

[Jetpilot]

well me and wade agree that his truck is definatly 700+ but it is closer to 800---we think so anyway.

God I love "Seat-O-The-Pants dynos" :-laf

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

even my truck made 555hp and 1000+ with a stock turbo, cp3, and clutch, relive valve ect. ect

That's right, Robert. And mine only made 558, with my mods. You guys are trying to make it sound like it's a lot easier than it really is, all in the name of selling parts. Now it's time to prove they work.

well me and wade agree that his truck is definatly 700+ but it is closer to 800---we think so anyway.

Me and Lloyd agreed my truck was about 1000hp, and his was 1200. At least we thought so. We both fell a little short.

 

[lmills]

I can see it now. :-laf Fawl Brawl the saga continues with... ... ... . "The Showdown. " :-laf































or is it... ... ... ... .....





























"NO SHOW" the series LMAO :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[Hammer]

we didn't even go, my truck is still on the lift as we speak valair sent a clutch with out flywheel bolts, so im stuck down here untill monday, when i can get the right ones

Hmmm. .

I guess I'll have to ask HOW such a "great" self-proclaimed company like Valair managed to mistakenly send out the incorrect flywheel bolts?. I mean,in previous threads they were the best at anything,eveyones elses products were substandard and they even went on to claim one manufacturer used out of country labor for assembly,which he does not. Boy I am sure glad my EEP double came with all the neccessary correct parts for install or I wouldn't have been able to thrash it for the last 70,000 miles. I guess you get what you pay for and I did that being used by a company for research crap. I still today save that Centerforce junk here to remind me of how stupid I was to believe a company who never made diesel clutches before that they knew what they were doing.



Now on with the show here and I'll add this and slip off to refresh my popcorn and salsa bowls... .

I am in for the dyno reward,700hp+ on a single charger,electronic truck and a slushbox at that,NOT. The best electronic truck ever we had was Mrs. Jetpilots "Grey Ghost" that did 632 on a single last year and yet today its one of the best if the not the best all electronic truck dyno runs in front of a crowd at a show. I have my truck slated to roll again Dec 11 and if the time is needed to let Wade educate all of us I am certain Dave will allow the substitution. If another date is needed I will set it up as I am certain the day will be full of excuses and reasons why they can not dyno.



Lloyd. .

After seeing these trucks for years run on various jets I will concur that Wade does not know what it will take to spool that truck and make 700+ to the ground. Slide rule math doesn't mean the animal is truely loose and scaring us all... ... ... ... ... ... Andy



P. S. -The drivers underwear on backwards will not be a allowed excuse for the dyno run not happeneing,nor will Robert saying he forgot his "NGM Diesel" advertising jeans from Fall Brawl either.

 

[lmills]

you guys talk all this b. s about the dyno stuff, well lets look at it this way

reb brown posted 893hp on nitrous and has ran a best of 12. 20 et... ..... whats wrong with that picture, you want to call him out too

while we have gone faster, so is the dyno wrong or are the et's wrong?

OK, I will show this to Reb and let him defend himself. I am more than certain he will have a logical reason for his times and not adding up.



Point is I have an identical truck that I did the twins on. Same size and same configuration. Chadd's truck however has 35" tires(heavy ones I might add),a brush guard on the front and fiberglass toneau cover along with a 360 pound driver. :--) When it had a single charger it dynoed 496 HP at Kauffmans. It had nothing more than a bully dog TQ dog box, HTB2 62 charger and 100 HP sticks. It ran 13. 2's on a stock CP3 at the Mason Dixon dragstrip. And I can gurantee you between the size of the driver and how the truck is outfitted it is heavier than Wades.



So you are gonna tell me it takes almost 300 HP more to drop . 6 seconds down to mid 12's? Really now, you all wonder why everyone calls your bluff

 

[lmills]

That's what you guys don't get. The Hp calculator you used was based strictly off gas engines that rev a lot higher and produce a lot less TQ. It has been proven over and over on this site alone , not to mention others that of the HP calculators on the net are not accurate for diesel engines. If you use one that was specifically designed aorund diesels, like the one Dockboy offered (smokemup), then the numbers are dramatically different.



never mind the real truth is coming... ... ..... looks like you all are trying to side step dynoing the truck once again. The offer is put out with you having nothing to lose.

 

[lmills]

OK, so I went to the 4 lo site and entered in Chadd's time and weight. It gave me a HP reading of 640 HP on a truck that dynoed 496 HP. Do the numbers for yourself. 7500 lb's at 13. 23.



So Wade is about 100 HP more than him on the calculator. That puts him where????? Around 600-625 HP.

 

[lmills]

o. k i'll buy that, i was wrong. i still think we should dyno though

how about this-------------we wont say another thing about his power untill we have a 11 second quarter or a 700hp or better dyno sheet!!!!

So, git er done. We need an 11 second common rail to quiet Dockboy down LOL :-laf

 

[Jetpilot]

o. k i'll buy that, i was wrong. i still think we should dyno though

how about this-------------we wont say another thing about his power untill we have a 11 second quarter or a 700hp or better dyno sheet!!!!

700???? What happened to 800? I would hope you could run an 11 second 1/4 with 800 RWHP, heck 700 for that matter especially with the common rail. Chris Hoofnagle ran 11. 76 with just a little over 600 RWHP!



The problem is all we hear is how much power Wades truck has or how fast it is but it is never backed up. There is always an excuse as to why it didn't run well... ... At Fall Brawl he could have run it for a dyno pull with no ill effects. At the track he only ran a 12. 60 (which isn't a bad number) but again all we heard was crying about everything that was wrong with his truck so it didn't run into the 11's. Its the internet cheering that's getting very old from you guys.

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

thats why i dont belive dyno #'s tell the whole story, you guys are so into dyno #'s like it's a cult,

Didn't you guys sponsor a dyno day back in April?

o. k i'll buy that, i was wrong. i still think we should dyno though

how about this-------------we wont say another thing about his power untill we have a 11 second quarter or a 700hp or better dyno sheet!!!!

How about this---------Take Hammer up on his offer to substitute Wade's truck for his on the 11th of Dec. You guys have been bragging about having a 700-800hp truck for so long, there's a bunch of us that would like to see it. I'll be there, cash in hand to pay, if Wade's truck is over 650. It doesn't get any better than that.

 

[ctd8999]

Count me in for $ 50. 00. What HP are we shooting for ??

 

[Bandit1]

i will be there as long as i am not in the mountains, well tell you all what i will even give up a day of hunting to come see this monster breathe fire for the first time ever on a dyno and witness the humbler as it unleashes its fury on once again on yet another unsuspecting customer.

 

[Dockboy]

So, git er done. We need an 11 second common rail to quiet Dockboy down LOL :-laf

LOL!!! Lloyd!! :-laf Oo.



Too bad I'm in teardown mode right now Because I could have been up for a pink slip run against this 800... ... . No... 700... . No... 650... Ah, whatever it is today Monster :-laf







I could use a new toy to play with