Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) 10 speed trans. ??

[WDixon27]

that was a 4-53 2 stroke 4-53T 2 stroke detroit diesel and 2 sticks shifting - YouTube fun starts at 2:35

There is a video of a mid 80's chevy truck with a 12 valve cummins on youtube that sounds awesome splitting gears.

 

[Nyoest]

It's actually "Truck Driver/Mechanic turned Parts Man"... and not really all that good at any of it sometimes... ...



Not always such a good background to have... . :-laf



I deserve a crack after missing that little detail in his signature... .



Mike.

Mike its all in fun. As sad/weird as it is this is our recreation. We don't always get it perfect but hey we make up for it in volume. I would rather have a parts guy with experience, period.



And where tf would you put a brownie shifter, under the back seat? I can see it now, hook your left elbow in the wheel and grab the main stick with your left hand, move little suzie in the car seat in the back, shift the brownie with the right and then stab the main box. Yeah, gooooddd times.



I got a rebuilt 4500 from bluementhals last fall for about $2k with a year warranty. Right or wrong it bolted right up and with a 3kgsk I'm happier than a fat kid in cake when towing. Mi dos cintavos.

 

[rMetzger]

I like my G56... Just sayin', like that other guy.

 

[ejmesser]

Do a search for valley off road cummins chevy 10 speed conversion.

 

[WDixon27]

looks like a pain in the arse when not hauling Cummins 10 speed conversion - YouTube Cummins 10 speed conversion Drive-by - YouTube

Do a search for valley off road cummins chevy 10 speed conversion.

 

[NIsaacs]

Looks like fun to me, nothing painful about it That was just for show and tell. I am sure under normal empty driving they only use about 5 or 6 gears. They both did a good job shifting.



Nick

 

[WDixon27]

could be a anti-theft device too :-laf

Looks like fun to me, nothing painful about it That was just for show and tell. I am sure under normal empty driving they only use about 5 or 6 gears. They both did a good job shifting.



Nick

 

[bnelson]

I'm back together. Thanks for all the comments. New 5th gears, on the main shaft and counter shaft. To be realistic I don't have enough wheelbase to make much more transmission fit. I don't suppose almost 400 hp would have anything to do with gearbox troubles? (LOL) I would have to fabricate an adapter to fit the transfer case to the transmission; probably easier to to with a divorced system, which eats up space. Just dreamin' for a bit now - - a Spicer married 4x4 double overdrive. Slow enough on the bottom to pull a plow and on the top end cruise about a hundred. I could leave the keys in it anywhere because not one guy in 2,000 would know how to drive with two sticks! When pulling sleds with the kids I would always have an optimum gear choice no matter what the track conditions. I would not need air to operate the transmission on that one, either. The compressor for the air seats would not be suitable for constant air for a Road-ranger. Some time back one of the kids gave me a T-shirt that said upon it, "Lead-foot Grandpa!" :-laf

 

[NIsaacs]

Thank you for the update, so many posters ignore our hard work here with opinions and suggestions



So start gathering pieces and parts for a transmission conversion, I wanna see a ten speed in there someday... . or a 5&3 like my Ford.....



Nick

 

[mwilson]

Thank you for the update, so many posters ignore our hard work here with opinions and suggestions



Nick

Sometimes you do wonder if our input makes any difference.



Thank you as well for the update bnelson, glad it's back together.



Mike.

 

[BIGNASTY]

As I recall the little 610 and 613 Fullers were used with Gasoline or small V-8 Diesels such as the 3208 Cat. These engines all turned 3500 rpm at least.



When you put one behind a slower turning 6 banger it makes the shifts empty quite mean, and it will almost bind even while trying to skip gears.

It is driveable, just not as smooth as the bigger 10-speeds would be.



Also any that I drove had the little air button for the clutch brake so you had a half a chance of getting it into gear... . I don't know if that was someone's better idea or if it means you can't put a normal clutch brake in there. I would want to know that right up front before I installed one or you would have to shut the motor off to get them into gear. They were awful without a working clutch brake.



Mike.

Have to agree skipping gears would be a problem at least FOR ME. Empty I start out in a higher gear but skipping gears rolling and going thru the pattern always brought the RPMs down to low when you jump over a hole. And as said the smoothness would not be there. I always liked to make it sound and look like I was driving an automatic not clutch chattttttttering away and cab jumping looking like a school driver

 

[NIsaacs]

You guys are missing the point, I am talking fun factor here I can't see where it would be any different then shifting a 4 or 5 spd. with the big gaps.



Empty, say start in about 3rd, jump to 5th then 7th then use them all after that. Choices are good... . I skip gears in my Ford's auxillary transmission all the time but when I need/want them they are there.



Nick

 

[BIGNASTY]

WHEN SKIPPING GEARS IT'S ABOUT



RPM'S in the next higher hole



FUN (EACH TO THEIR OWN)



Look like an amateur driver (FOR SURE)



Extra ware and tear on driveline components (almost a for sure thing)

 

[mwilson]

You guys are missing the point, I am talking fun factor here I can't see where it would be any different then shifting a 4 or 5 spd. with the big gaps.



Empty, say start in about 3rd, jump to 5th then 7th then use them all after that. Choices are good... . I skip gears in my Ford's auxillary transmission all the time but when I need/want them they are there.



Nick

I 100% agree with you on the fun part, I just think you would need an old RTO-910 or RTO-913 Fuller to make the most of the experience.



If you really wanted to wow the crowd find an old RT-915 and put it in deep reduction low.

You could open the door, get out, pee, dig a beer out of the cooler in the back and only take about three steps to get back to the cab.



The RT-610 or even worse the RT-613 would drive you nuts in short order.



Mike.

 

[NIsaacs]

WHEN SKIPPING GEARS IT'S ABOUT



RPM'S in the next higher hole



FUN (EACH TO THEIR OWN)



Look like an amateur driver (FOR SURE)



Extra ware and tear on driveline components (almost a for sure thing)

WOW BIG!! What did I say... ... :-{}



Nick

 

[BIGNASTY]

Nothing why?

I think modifying equipment is cool its just got to be done correctly. JMO but if I would have to skip gears and other things to make a mod work then its not a mod done rite

 

[BIGNASTY]

Ever think of a 4 speed main with a 2 speed brownie ? TWIN STICK IT BABY !!!!\





Went back over post and Alan said it before 4 with a 2

 

[bnelson]

I 100% agree with you on the fun part, I just think you would need an old RTO-910 or RTO-913 Fuller to make the most of the experience.



If you really wanted to wow the crowd find an old RT-915 and put it in deep reduction low.

You could open the door, get out, pee, dig a beer out of the cooler in the back and only take about three steps to get back to the cab.



The RT-610 or even worse the RT-613 would drive you nuts in short order.



Mike.

When the Mack Maxidyne engine came out in the late '60's they had a 5-speed behind them. They ran up to 2100 but you were supposed to let them pull down to 1100 before shifting. The common story about upshifting, since the engine took so long to slow down enough to get it in the next gear was: "Run it up to the governor, then pull it into neutral, reach in your shirt pocket for your pad of papers, pull one off, then grab your sack of tobacco and load the paper, put your tobacco away, lick one side of the paper, roll it up, strike a stick match on your pants and light it, take a puff, and by then the Maxidyne will have slowed down enough to get into the next higher gear. " The engine was only rated at 237 HP but was way over 900 on torque, which was a bunch back then, especially from only 673 cubic inches.

 

[Barry]

And I remember the old Thermodyne Engines in the B61s with the Tri-Plex trannies... ... ... ... run your left arm thru the steering wheel so you could steer and shift both sticks at the same time!

 

[NIsaacs]

And I remember the old Thermodyne Engines in the B61s with the Tri-Plex trannies... ... ... ... run your left arm thru the steering wheel so you could steer and shift both sticks at the same time!

Yes and the quadra-plex trannys. Mack had the aux stick on the left and the main on the right, so from 3rd. under to 2nd. over you could use one hand, palm spread and slip both sticks at the same time, loved them old trucks but hot in the summer and cold in the winter.



One of the big loggers I hauled for had a slew of those Macks with the 300 Maxi-torque and the triple countershaft 5 spds, the drivers always upshifted with the dynatard (jake) Those little motors could give us Cummins guys fits.



They were nice on the down shift tho when you hit a 12% grade with 120,000lbs. You would slow down so fast that a main box gear shift was the norm even for us that had 4 spd brownies. Shifting the brownie was a waste of time... ... so... . skipping gears was mandatory in the log woods.....



Nick