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Mr. Riley, I'll give you and the others my . 02. I purchased and installed my puck on 15 Feb 01. So far I've put 702 miles on my puck.
First 175 miles was towing my Jeep (Jeep & trailer=6800lbs) from Cheyenne to south of Laramie via I-80 and Wy 230. For those of you familiar it's a good tow. Cheyenne is 6200' the Summit is 89 something. We were towing into a fairly good headwind. (Most of you would think tornado, yes it's windy here)For the first time since owning this truck I was able to set the cruise @ 65 and just steer all the way to the Summit. No down shifting, no slowing and regaining just 65 MPH. Coming back this way (East) out of Laramie the approach to the summit is short and steep. Best ever on this climb same load was 4th gear and 52 MPH and 1250 EGT, No more no less that's all the truck had PERIOD. 5th gear (OD) is out of the question. With the puck I am now able to get on I-80 in Laramie set the cruise at 65. A first
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and drive up the Summit with out downshifting. There is one corner in the steepest part of the hill where it slowed to 62-63 for a couple hundred yards but picked right back up to 65 and maintained speed to the top @ 1200* EGT.
I know this doesn't tell you horsepower freaks anything, but it tells me my trucks not a dog any more.
The next 300 miles were a family trip to Estes Park, CO via some freinds in Greeley. We went up to their cabin and back. This trip included cruise at 65 to and from Greeley and mixed high way, city, Big Thompson Canyon (twisty)and about 35 miles of 4WD on a Forrest Service road with snow / mud to their cabin. MPG = 16. 7 as figured on paper. No trip computer gizmo in my truck.
The remaining 227 miles included a trip to DIA (airport in Denver) Cruise set @ 80mph down I-25 to about Ft. Collins where I ran into heavy traffic for the remainder of the trip. From there it was driving it the old fashioned way, foot on the throttle in and out of traffic and I was late. Not exactly the best condition for optimum fuel efficiency. On the return much of the same. No cruise until I got to Ft. Collins, then 80 MPH the rest of the way. For the fist time ever I got mileage respectable of a diesel truck. 18. 3 MPG. On previous excursions I would get mid 15's on a similar trip.
Again no DYNO #'s for you, not that I give a rip. As far as I'm concerned it works. Take it or leave it. I'm sure it (the puck)will never be the flavor of the month here, or endorsed by the almighty ones. If it doesn't come from UT or NV it can't be good according to most here.
I bought this product based on price (I've been shopping for over a year), my own research (lots of phone calls), and mainly for the programability. I intend to add a set of injectors, and yes they will most likely come from NV, and was/am intrigued by the idea of being able to "reprogram" the puck to deliver less fuel at low boost to keep the smoke down. Can you EZ or VA guys do that?? yourself??? Not hardly.
I fought with myself long and hard before BOMBing my truck, well over a year. Am I sorry, buyers remorse, warranty worry. HELL NO!! Now I have a truck I can use.
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TOWER: '99 3500 4X4, White, 3. 54 LSD, 5spd, CMPR&TRL package. Glass shell or 9 1/2' Shadow Cruiser slide in. Geno's combo gauge. DynoMAX, K&N RE 0880, Jacob's E-Brake. PUTCO Max Boss boards and Flaps.
TOWEE: '82 CJ-8,Lime Light, Injected 440, 727 T flite, IH Dana 300, Dana 44 frt, Dans 60 rr 4. 88's & Detroits, 38. 5 X 14. 50 TSL/SX's, 15 X 10 Eagle 589's. Full soft top and full length cage.
BIGGER IS BETTER!! MO POWER
First 175 miles was towing my Jeep (Jeep & trailer=6800lbs) from Cheyenne to south of Laramie via I-80 and Wy 230. For those of you familiar it's a good tow. Cheyenne is 6200' the Summit is 89 something. We were towing into a fairly good headwind. (Most of you would think tornado, yes it's windy here)For the first time since owning this truck I was able to set the cruise @ 65 and just steer all the way to the Summit. No down shifting, no slowing and regaining just 65 MPH. Coming back this way (East) out of Laramie the approach to the summit is short and steep. Best ever on this climb same load was 4th gear and 52 MPH and 1250 EGT, No more no less that's all the truck had PERIOD. 5th gear (OD) is out of the question. With the puck I am now able to get on I-80 in Laramie set the cruise at 65. A first
#adand drive up the Summit with out downshifting. There is one corner in the steepest part of the hill where it slowed to 62-63 for a couple hundred yards but picked right back up to 65 and maintained speed to the top @ 1200* EGT.
I know this doesn't tell you horsepower freaks anything, but it tells me my trucks not a dog any more.
The next 300 miles were a family trip to Estes Park, CO via some freinds in Greeley. We went up to their cabin and back. This trip included cruise at 65 to and from Greeley and mixed high way, city, Big Thompson Canyon (twisty)and about 35 miles of 4WD on a Forrest Service road with snow / mud to their cabin. MPG = 16. 7 as figured on paper. No trip computer gizmo in my truck.
The remaining 227 miles included a trip to DIA (airport in Denver) Cruise set @ 80mph down I-25 to about Ft. Collins where I ran into heavy traffic for the remainder of the trip. From there it was driving it the old fashioned way, foot on the throttle in and out of traffic and I was late. Not exactly the best condition for optimum fuel efficiency. On the return much of the same. No cruise until I got to Ft. Collins, then 80 MPH the rest of the way. For the fist time ever I got mileage respectable of a diesel truck. 18. 3 MPG. On previous excursions I would get mid 15's on a similar trip.
Again no DYNO #'s for you, not that I give a rip. As far as I'm concerned it works. Take it or leave it. I'm sure it (the puck)will never be the flavor of the month here, or endorsed by the almighty ones. If it doesn't come from UT or NV it can't be good according to most here.
I bought this product based on price (I've been shopping for over a year), my own research (lots of phone calls), and mainly for the programability. I intend to add a set of injectors, and yes they will most likely come from NV, and was/am intrigued by the idea of being able to "reprogram" the puck to deliver less fuel at low boost to keep the smoke down. Can you EZ or VA guys do that?? yourself??? Not hardly.
I fought with myself long and hard before BOMBing my truck, well over a year. Am I sorry, buyers remorse, warranty worry. HELL NO!! Now I have a truck I can use.
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TOWER: '99 3500 4X4, White, 3. 54 LSD, 5spd, CMPR&TRL package. Glass shell or 9 1/2' Shadow Cruiser slide in. Geno's combo gauge. DynoMAX, K&N RE 0880, Jacob's E-Brake. PUTCO Max Boss boards and Flaps.
TOWEE: '82 CJ-8,Lime Light, Injected 440, 727 T flite, IH Dana 300, Dana 44 frt, Dans 60 rr 4. 88's & Detroits, 38. 5 X 14. 50 TSL/SX's, 15 X 10 Eagle 589's. Full soft top and full length cage.
BIGGER IS BETTER!! MO POWER
Mr. Riley, how do we go about getting the software for reprogramming the puck. The injectors are a ways off yet but I am curious. Thanks.
The software is being finished up soon. Your unit should have had a small number on the warrantee card that tells us what unit you have. I don't have the details yet, but I understand this is important. I thought ahead and on every invoice I made on these, I typed in this number so, even if the customer lost it, I could look it up for him. I'll try to get an answer on Mon on availability of the software.
Guys, I would love to hear from the guys that had problems. Did you have the HO motor? This would definately explain some problems. Some dealers may not be aware of this. Just a thought.
Bob
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yes i can change the way the ez comes on. it has 3 settings. i think the most responsive comes on at 3psi and setting 2 is 10psi and 3 is either 15 or 20 psi. i don't remember the exact psi figures but you get the idea. i don't even have to have it reprogramed. i can just change the pin settings.
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2001 eth, ez box, dd2's
[This message has been edited by CUMINNTSTRKN (edited 03-02-2001). ]
Bob said it would not work properly on the HO motor. Yet you feel you need to bash it anyway. Hmmmm... And you also had the prototype... May be a few questions were in order to the vendor / manufacturer before it was decided it was CRAP EH?
While doing some research on lift pumps, ran across this...
[This message has been edited by Scrmbld4X4 (edited 03-03-2001). ]
Then why does DD have Bret reprogram it for their (DD) application when used with their injectors???
Guys, I'm not trying to be a PIA here, or stur up hate & discontent.
Been on this board for a while, even though the post total doesn't show it. It just erks me to always have to put up with the flavor of the month attitude that is always present here. Or the one track mind set that if it doesn't come from UT or NV its CRAP (for the most part), when a new product comes on board. Express your own opinions, but don't tear up a product because it's outside of your box.
Heber, not picking on you but you make it easy. An adult way of expressing your opinion would be to say you tried it and for your application the EZ was a better choice because it did this, that, or the other thing. Not It's CRAP
Been on this board for a while, even though the post total doesn't show it. It just erks me to always have to put up with the flavor of the month attitude that is always present here. Or the one track mind set that if it doesn't come from UT or NV its CRAP (for the most part), when a new product comes on board. Express your own opinions, but don't tear up a product because it's outside of your box.
Heber, not picking on you but you make it easy. An adult way of expressing your opinion would be to say you tried it and for your application the EZ was a better choice because it did this, that, or the other thing. Not It's CRAP
Bob Riley... I have an HO.
Scrmbld4x4. . You can express your opinions, that's your right... But don't preach to me, or tell me what I should have said, or try to be more adult about it!!! You can just shove the "puck" where the sun doesn't shine. Until I test the "new" puck from Bob, I still think it's a piece of "CRAP".
Scrmbld4x4. . You can express your opinions, that's your right... But don't preach to me, or tell me what I should have said, or try to be more adult about it!!! You can just shove the "puck" where the sun doesn't shine. Until I test the "new" puck from Bob, I still think it's a piece of "CRAP".
There's a concievable chance the "puck" will be better than the EZ, but I highly doubt it. This is not to say that's there's still not more to come with the EZ.
I guess it's time to post my views on the Torque Dog. I recently got the Torque Dog, through Carl at wwcd2.com
It's my understanding that although the Torque Dog unit looks the same as the Diablo it's programing is different.
I borrowed Carl's VA some time ago, to evaluate on my truck. I was thrilled with with the power, while towing my 7,000# TT, but was unable to feel a big difference without a load. I did notice a LOT more black smoke under acceleration, both towing and empty. The only thing that stopped me from buying one at the time, was the cost.
Since then, I installed the 275 RV injectors.
Before I was able to afford the VA, EZ, Diablo and Bully Dog started offering new boxes, which complicated my decision on what to buy. Was I going to get the VA, which I knew worked well on my truck, or would I try one of the others?
I finally decided on the Torque Dog. My motivation was mostly the price, but I also liked the possibility of reprograming the unit to customize it for my needs.
I have not had a chance to tow, with the Torque Dog, so I can't give a load tested evaluation to compare with the VA, but I can say that I feel more power now (empty) with the Torque Dog, than I did with the VA. You have to remember though, I have the 275s now and the VA probably would have improved with the new injectors too. There is very little black smoke, with the Torque Dog, but I do notice some under heavy acceleration.
I am very happy with my decission to buy the Torque Dog. I saved money and I have a box that works just as well as the VA, if not better. I have the option to retune to box, if I wish to improve it's performance. And it is a quick plug in device, like the VA.
My first real test of the unit will be in May, when I plan to tow though the Allegheny Mountains of West Virginia and Virginia. I have decided to take highway route through the mountains, rather than using the expressways to test my truck and my sanity.
After that, I hope to dyno my truck during the Dave's Diesel Thunder in Muncie event on June 9th in Muncie, Indiana.
I expect that Diablo and Bully Dog will soon be key players in the performance box compitition, as they continue to make upgrades for their boxes.
Doc
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2000 - QC - SB - 5sp - Torque Dog - 275s - AFE Filter - Delo 400 - IceGuard Sound Proofing
[This message has been edited by Doc Tinker (edited 03-03-2001). ]
It's my understanding that although the Torque Dog unit looks the same as the Diablo it's programing is different.
I borrowed Carl's VA some time ago, to evaluate on my truck. I was thrilled with with the power, while towing my 7,000# TT, but was unable to feel a big difference without a load. I did notice a LOT more black smoke under acceleration, both towing and empty. The only thing that stopped me from buying one at the time, was the cost.
Since then, I installed the 275 RV injectors.
Before I was able to afford the VA, EZ, Diablo and Bully Dog started offering new boxes, which complicated my decision on what to buy. Was I going to get the VA, which I knew worked well on my truck, or would I try one of the others?
I finally decided on the Torque Dog. My motivation was mostly the price, but I also liked the possibility of reprograming the unit to customize it for my needs.
I have not had a chance to tow, with the Torque Dog, so I can't give a load tested evaluation to compare with the VA, but I can say that I feel more power now (empty) with the Torque Dog, than I did with the VA. You have to remember though, I have the 275s now and the VA probably would have improved with the new injectors too. There is very little black smoke, with the Torque Dog, but I do notice some under heavy acceleration.
I am very happy with my decission to buy the Torque Dog. I saved money and I have a box that works just as well as the VA, if not better. I have the option to retune to box, if I wish to improve it's performance. And it is a quick plug in device, like the VA.
My first real test of the unit will be in May, when I plan to tow though the Allegheny Mountains of West Virginia and Virginia. I have decided to take highway route through the mountains, rather than using the expressways to test my truck and my sanity.
After that, I hope to dyno my truck during the Dave's Diesel Thunder in Muncie event on June 9th in Muncie, Indiana.
I expect that Diablo and Bully Dog will soon be key players in the performance box compitition, as they continue to make upgrades for their boxes.
Doc
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2000 - QC - SB - 5sp - Torque Dog - 275s - AFE Filter - Delo 400 - IceGuard Sound Proofing
[This message has been edited by Doc Tinker (edited 03-03-2001). ]
Well, we had a good time today. We installed three units today. Two were on standard 24V and one was the 24V HO. All three worked great! Several people took test drives and all really liked it.
There is no doubt the Diablo is going to be a player in this market.
Bob
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There is no doubt the Diablo is going to be a player in this market.
Bob
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Bob Wagner
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were the testers TDR members?
They were all members in some form, just not all web members. Some didn't have computers. They seemed to be a mix of forum users and magazine only subscribers.
One test drive, we had 4 or 5 of us piled in one truck. We'll see if anyone posts.
I should have thrown Gene in a truck.#ad
Bob
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One test drive, we had 4 or 5 of us piled in one truck. We'll see if anyone posts.
I should have thrown Gene in a truck.
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the dd box has a timing only setting where as the ez does not. the other 2 settings on the dd box change with boost levels just like the ez.
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2001 eth, ez box, dd2's
Dang, you guys are hard on Bob! Must have smelled "fear" from a PSD!
Sorry Bob, you guys play with the electrons, we 12 valvers will just stay on top of the hill and wait for the overfueled, over engineered electron albatroosse to blow their inferior fuel pumps and go tumbleing down.#ad
Gene
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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
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Sorry Bob, you guys play with the electrons, we 12 valvers will just stay on top of the hill and wait for the overfueled, over engineered electron albatroosse to blow their inferior fuel pumps and go tumbleing down.
#adGene
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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
www.awdist.com
Gene, it takes lots more than this stuff to bother me. FAct is I have seen this thing work now. At least 20 others did as well. I do know this, the puck does not deliver more peak hp than the Edge, but it has a flatter curve and it does not overboost the engine. The Dodge dealer said that was one thing that they looked for in the engine diagnostics. But he also said other things that were noncence, 
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They did design it to remain under Cummins specs. That said, it may not be for the racer, but more for the recreational puller or daily driver wanting his truck to "work".
Bob
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#adThey did design it to remain under Cummins specs. That said, it may not be for the racer, but more for the recreational puller or daily driver wanting his truck to "work".
Bob
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Bob, no need to send me one for testing! I already know it will
#adSince you're from Florida want to recount the number of replies by your testers over the weekend? "NONE"!!!
Want Another count? "NONE"!!!
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[This message has been edited by HeberRam (edited 03-06-2001). ]
HeberRam,
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I recall our ealier posts back in October. Like Scrmbld4x4 says, how come you told me that the PowerPuck was better than the VA (1 full second quicker 0-60 and less smoke)? I don't understand why you are now saying the PowerPuck is crap. If the PowerPuck is crap, then you must feel that the VA is a total embarassment to all engineers. I bet if you do a search, you will find that many people like the VA... not too many will back up your feelings.
Turns out that the prototype PowerPuck you tested wasn't made for the H. O. Completely different programming is necessary for the H. O. 's. So, you had the wrong PowerPuck and it still outperformed the VA... hmm.
Another reply you made to me was... "You don't have to be the best to get my vote, just be truthful". Those are good words to live by.
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#adI recall our ealier posts back in October. Like Scrmbld4x4 says, how come you told me that the PowerPuck was better than the VA (1 full second quicker 0-60 and less smoke)? I don't understand why you are now saying the PowerPuck is crap. If the PowerPuck is crap, then you must feel that the VA is a total embarassment to all engineers. I bet if you do a search, you will find that many people like the VA... not too many will back up your feelings.
Turns out that the prototype PowerPuck you tested wasn't made for the H. O. Completely different programming is necessary for the H. O. 's. So, you had the wrong PowerPuck and it still outperformed the VA... hmm.
Another reply you made to me was... "You don't have to be the best to get my vote, just be truthful". Those are good words to live by.
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