Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) 12v Horsepower

[nfox]

Who has the highest horsepower 12v CTD?:--)

 

[Bob Wagner]

From what I have seen

1. Piers Harry. OH MY GOD



2. Jason Burton DAMN CLOSE 2ND





12 valves kick ass

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Jason made 476. 7 at MM02. Piers didn't dyno there, but word has it he made about 510 elsewhere.

 

[Koa Man]

Joe is just being very modest. He is has the highest hp 12V running straight #2 and no drugs.

 

[Sled Puller]

Dave Mitchell, of Enterprise Engine, or perhaps Scheid Diesel, now.

 

[nfox]

HP#'s

Could you guys post some horsepower #'s? What is D. Mitchell or Schied putting down to the ground for horsepower?:--)

 

[SlyBones]

It would be nice to see the chart with a brief one line description of what it took. If you all post them I will edit this post so we have one chart with all the figures



#2 only, #2 + nitrous, #2+nitrous+propane+twins,



for far we have





Joe D, 633, #2 only

Piers, 510, #2 only

Jason Burton, 476, #2 only

 

[shendren]

my truck goes down the highway @ 73mph/2000rpm... ... .



that's enough hp for me!!

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Hmmm, 146 mph at 4000, 219 mph at 6000 rpm

 

[TxDieselKid]

219@6,000....JOE IS THE MAN!!!

Originally posted by nfox

What is D. Mitchell or Schied putting down to the ground for horsepower?:--)

You will never know. Dave don't dyno, and I doubt the Scheids truck will either. Someone said that the engine from the Scheids truck was on an engine dyno and made about 950 before the turbo blew, and it had plenty left still.



However, one West coast powerhouse that makes 550+ on #2 alone got spanked in sled pulling by these Mitchell trucks which run nothing but #2. Many will tell you that there is more involved then HP in Sled Pulling, but there is more involved in Dynoing then hitting the throttle.



Andrew

 

[Strick-9]

After seeing Loretta's truck, Sled Pullers's truck, and more importantly Scheid's truck in person. I don't think a dynojet would properly report their HP figures.



At least not without modifying the technique a bit. These trucks take some time to load up and get all the turbos spinning. That just isn't going to happen in a 4-5 second event like a dynojet.



Now, maybe if they could rev to 3000 and start slipping the clutch from a standstill like they do at the track, maybe then it'd work.



But a normal 1800 rpm and punch it, isn't going to work for them.



Until I went to Muncie and actually competed with these people, I really thought they were just scared to dyno because they weren't making any real power. I couldn't understand why anyone wouldn't dyno. But now I have a better understanding of why they don't do it. It's a completely different motor setup that doesn't work well in 4 second intervals.



-Chris

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Why use all those turbos if they spool up slower than my HX55? And, they could load the engine on either a Dynojet or a Mustang. Jim Fuller has twins. They spooled up on the Dynojet.

What more is there to a Dynojet than hitting the pedal? That's all we did at May Madness.

 

[msmtd]

Chad, this post was edited out. it contributed nothing to the subject of the topic. further more, your posting since you joined here, has been nothing but antagonistic and hateful little pot shots at others. This type of posting will not be tolerated in this or any other forum. We are trying to keep an environment that is conducive to productive and helpful information being shared.





Thank you,

Todd Thorp

12valve Moderator

 

[R.ebel]

HP

I recently turned 437HP and 953ft-lbs with a unmodified #12 plate slid forward and no drugs. Not bad for an old hunting truck



I think in the daily driver catagory Joe Donnelly wins hands down

 

[Johnboy3]

I've seen videos of Joe's truck dynoing and I have seen Mitchell's and Sheid's trucks in person. Joe's truck while being impressive making 600+ hp is small taters compared to the other two.



Joe, it's very unfortunate that you don't understand the difference between the performance of twins compared to a big single turbo. You might lay down some serious hp then.

 

[Snow man]

If that scheid truck could stay together,I feel that,and Dave Mitchell are the most powerful,just a guess. On the strret,however,as a daily driver,and tow capable truck,Joe D's has got to be the strongest CTD,there is. To me that is the most impressive truck,a daily driver that can do the work,and still hold tegether.

 

[illflem]

Originally posted by msmtd

I don't believe anyone here should pass judgement about me or my opinion until you have first hand knowledge of my personality... . I know some of you have heard about me and I think you should make your own decisions not go by hearsay!

I hadn't made up my mind till now#ad

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Here are some results from Thunder in Muncie, reported by another member:

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8000 OPEN



1. Sled Puller 304. 9

2. David Gresh 303. 4

3. Ed West 298. 9

4. Lorreta Mitchell 295. 5

5. Wade Wright 294. 4

6. Frank(Powersnorter)293. 11

7. Jim Fuller 291. 6

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So who is top dog in horsepower? If sled pulling were an accurate measure, then Mohney would have more power than the Mitchells, even with his little 180 hp injection pump. Who has more experience, better tires, better suspension? If the Mitchells, why did she get beaten so "badly?" Hmmm, Fuller had about 600 hp on #2 only; when did you EVER see a PowerStroke with that much? I can only conclude that winning at sled pulling is only vaguely and partially related to horsepower. Also, see how different drivers win different weekends. Not enough consistency to reflect horsepower.



These data suggest that luck and other intangibles play a big role in sled pulling. Horsepower is quite secondary.



The only verified dyno runs we know about on the Mitchell's race truck(not street by any stretch of the imagination) were on TST's dyno at 403 hp. Even if they make more now, they aren't talking here and aren't getting dyno numbers at the same time and place as other known high hp Rams in TDR functions.



Everyone had the chance to beat my 633. 8 (two runs, back to back, same number) on #2 only, all through the injection pump, only one turbo, at MM02. For free, no dyno charge. No one did on #2 only. A few trucks beat that number on drugs. These are just facts, what happened.



This thread is about a specific question, dyno verified horsepower. Those who are belligerent, but don't have the verified numbers, are just guessing from the smoke. I'm not someone who enjoys dragging large chunks of iron around in the dirt for fun, and breaking parts most weekends. I don't care about being competitive there. I use my truck for daily driving, towing, hunting, and 4 wheeling. If anyone wants to be competitive in the horsepower/dyno competition, then compete on the dyno with the rest of us.



Everyone who wanted them got free dyno runs at MM02 and could line up on the same yardstick. Those who didn't, well they can try next year. Meanwhile, they can't claim an accurate place on that same yardstick from results on a different dyno, different elevation, different weather conditions, etc. Anyone can post numbers, but only those who came to MM02 have a valid comparison to all the others who were there. Some dyno participants came from as far away as Canada, Maryland, etc.

 

[Johnboy3]

Your point about pulling is well taken. There are a ton of variables. I wasn't saying that pulling was the end all.



Joe, why don't you come out our way and strut your stuff here. I'd be willing to bet that a few folks from this side of the island would be willing to step up and dyno with you. If your willing, I'll set up a dyno day at a shop out here. Same day, same yardstick. You game?

 

[Johnboy3]

BTW, the thread was asking who had the 12v with the most power. Not wether or not it was streetable, a race truck, or otherwise.