1st Gen Thread Without A Subject....

[SRay]

The other dynos never let my truck make full boost, (30psi instead of the usual 36-38psi I see on the road or while hauling heavy loads) so my Torque rarely ever get above 700ft/lbs. The Hp is the same at 283hp as the calculations for hp is the same.

 

[Nyoest]

The dyno type explains it then. I wondered why your tq#'s were so good. Your truck gives me hope for mine when I finally hit the dyno.

I wanted to run it on a dyno stock so I had a baseline and build from there. So far that hasn't happened and my pump might as well have Velcro on it as much as I've been in it.

 

[SRay]

Nyoest:That's a great dyno, it's actually the proper one for diesels. It's a AW model 700 dyno rated for 1,000hp and 2,500tq. It's also made for transport trucks as it has 4 rollers for both axles. It's a continuous load type. The operator sets a ramp up speed and then holds the increase button. The truck slowly gets loaded until it can't make anymore power. If the operator let's go of the increase button, the dyno holds the power right there for as long as the operator wants. Then presses the decrease button after the truck made all the power it can.



These Dyno's are very hard on every truck. The power is real, and some trucks had failures on our dyno day.



When calibrated correctly, the AW dyno is 98% consistent gauranteed meaning if you went on in the spring, and go on it again in the summer, the numbers are near identical if you don't change anything. It changes according to temperature.



Shawn

 

[HHhuntitall]

Oh it'll be easy. Just call him a tree huggin hippee. Gotta stir it up a bit. Or tell him his neighbor has a bigger front bumper.



Nyoest: ROFLMAO!!!:-laf:-laf:-laf



HHhuntitall: Your neighbour has a bigger bumper. :-laf

I know. I built it for him. He's compensating for how crappy his Furd runs!! :-laf

The dyno type explains it then. I wondered why your tq#'s were so good. Your truck gives me hope for mine when I finally hit the dyno.



I wanted to run it on a dyno stock so I had a baseline and build from there. So far that hasn't happened and my pump might as well have Velcro on it as much as I've been in it.

Ah, dang. You guys are lucky to have such a nice setup. The nearest one I know of is @ 50 miles, and those guys have a DynoJet built into the floor. I won a Wilson Thrasher manifold a few back for my '03, thanks to my smart, uhhhhh, comments, yeah. Anyway, I got to run my '03 on the dyno down there, $100 for 3 passes. It did 373/719 no programming, 410/904, with the TST Powermax on 2, then I ran out of fuel on #4 setting the third pass. I've got stock fuel lines, so it's a big limiter. I've got a new pump and spin on filter assembly from an 855, but not the time. Hopefully after the first of the year.



Anyway, after that, I never could get the guys to call me back, and in December I blew my engine. The stupid block cracked through the side of the cylinder on #6..... I never got it dynoed again..... those guys kinda ticked me off. When I actually got ahold of 'em, they were "too busy" to help me, even a month down the road!! I offered Mr. Wilson either to give him back the manifold or pay for it, but he's such a nice guy, he just gave it to me. Now all my base numbers are way off, since I added a cam and bored it . 020. Injector nozzles are a fairly simple mod and appear to be the best "bang" for the buck on the '03..... I'd take the manifold off and run base numbers again, if I could find someone who wasn't such an obama to deal with... .



I'd love to be able to dyno my '97 and see what it's doing. It will really build the boost!!! It likes to "twist the nipples" on my NV5600 and make it CRY!!! Kinda noisy in the cab!!!



When are you guys doing your next dyno day? Might make for a good vacation, this summer... ... My SIL lives in Columbus, OH... ... I could drop the wife and kids off for the weekend... ...

 

[SRay]

HHhuntitall: I love the dyno, but more that half of the participants got a bad taste in their mouths and might not return there.

-they think the dyno is too hard on the trucks

-the operator abused the trucks

-not the right dyno for "pickup trucks", it's for transport trucks.

-operator won't let us drive our trucks



So we will be going back to Diesel Doctors in the spring for dyno day on their inertia dyno.



In the next week or so I'll be going back to Taylor diesel and see if I can turn this around again. I hope people will change their minds and want to give another shot.

 

[HHhuntitall]

HHhuntitall: I love the dyno, but more that half of the participants got a bad taste in their mouths and might not return there.

-they think the dyno is too hard on the trucks

-the operator abused the trucks

-not the right dyno for "pickup trucks", it's for transport trucks.

-operator won't let us drive our trucks



So we will be going back to Diesel Doctors in the spring for dyno day on their inertia dyno.



In the next week or so I'll be going back to Taylor diesel and see if I can turn this around again. I hope people will change their minds and want to give another shot.

Hmm, yeah, I'd not be very happy with the guy if he abused my truck. It wouldn't be very healthy for him, and the whole dyno day might end abrubtly..... I'm not sure I'd let someone else drive my truck I didn't know. I know what it sounds like, and if something goes wrong, I can shut it down.....



I used to have a Jeep with a 6" lift, 38's, in-line 6, 5:88 gears... . you get the idea. I took it in to get it inspected at one of those Jiffy Lube places, and ended up almost going to jail!!! The little prick had to do the safety test, and was driving it, when he pulled around back and I heard the engine revving. I looked up, and could the top of the roll bars over a van, and he wound it up and dumped the clutch to try and pop a wheelie!! I hit the back door in a run, and literally drug the Obama Supporter out of my Jeep and bounced his head off the concrete!!! The manager ran out there and got in my face, which I was already mad, so he ended up on the ground, too... ... . the cops were called, it was ugly, and I won't be going back to that place, needless to say. Just over one person being stupid!! Luckily, it didn't break anything... ...



I hope you can get the situation remedied. Good luck on that. It's sad that one person's actions can ruin the fun for everyone.

 

[SRay]

HH: that's funny that both guys ate concrete! Did you give em the big Texas boot? They should know better than to mess with a farmer or rancher. Like bschwarzli says "go das biggin shtickin for kangaroo choppin or go home" (this from my memory).



The dyno day at Taylor's was the first time they ever held an event there. So we and Taylor made some mistakes while diesel doctors has plenty of experience with events. Makes a huge difference. So I'm hoping Taylor and I can smooth out the bumps and try again.



Even if the event doesn't work there, I'm still going with my goat. That dyno is the perfect tuning tool for egts, max boost etc.

 

[Nyoest]

HHhuntitall: I love the dyno, but more that half of the participants got a bad taste in their mouths and might not return there.

-they think the dyno is too hard on the trucks

-the operator abused the trucks

-not the right dyno for "pickup trucks", it's for transport trucks.

-operator won't let us drive our trucks



So we will be going back to Diesel Doctors in the spring for dyno day on their inertia dyno.



In the next week or so I'll be going back to Taylor diesel and see if I can turn this around again. I hope people will change their minds and want to give another shot.

Ask them WTF they think a dyno does! I know it sounds like hell standing next to one runnning but it's no different than pullin some monster 5ve and trying to get to speed before the on ramp ends.

 

[HHhuntitall]

Ask them WTF they think a dyno does! I know it sounds like hell standing next to one runnning but it's no different than pullin some monster 5ve and trying to get to speed before the on ramp ends.

... and there's something to that. There's always a lot of noise outside, you don't hear inside. I think a lot of it is the anxiety that you're not in control of your baby.



But consider how much we spend on these things, and the amount of time we have in them, how proud we are of them, and then to see someone else having the fun behind the wheel... ... and you know as well as I, that every truck is different, shifts different, clutch engagement is different. If the tech is in there, and you hear gear clash, and see the truck jerk from clutch engagement, and see the rear end roll 2 inches from sudden speed change and torque, that'd upset me, too. If he's pushing on the shifter like he's in the World's Strongest Man competition, I'm not gonna like it. He might know every torque spec on the dang thing, but that doesn't mean he knows how to drive it. No offense to anyone, just I know my truck better than anyone else.....



If you're afraid someone's going to tear your truck up, you don't want to come back. That's natural. And what fun is it to not get to drive your own Money Pit on the dyno?!?!

 

[Nyoest]

HHH you hit the nail in the head. Kinda like watching your wife dance with another man. Should be harmless, right?

 

[SRay]

I agree with HHhuntitall, Nyoest, and Bschwarzli. I think the biggest issue at Taylor Dyno would be people not being able to drive their 1st and only love of their life. If Taylor does say yes and allows people to drive their trucks, hopefully that will get rid of most of the issues people see. (That's if anyone wants to return there)

 

[svsenger]

Changing the subject only slightly (?), has anyone out there put propane injection on a first gen? Results??????

 

[HHhuntitall]

Yep. First ruck was a little NOT stock!! It was a '93 Ext. cab D350. It had POD injectors, Scwitzer S400 turbo, custom intake/exit, and SEVERAL trannies!! Finally got a NV4500..... anyway. Did around 35psi boost. Cold mornings that would go up 3-4; in hot weather that was down. Propane pushed it up another 6-15 psi, depending on humidity. It ran good, just ran better on cold, rainy days!! This guy hot-shotted and ran cattle all over the SW, Texas, OK, mostly.



First setup was an experimental valving setup from an old gas engine, with a secondary cable on the throttle cable, ran up into the air breather box. It only worked. High humidity days, it would want to freeze up after a few minutes of operation, and it was ugly, too. Second setup was a pressure regulated orifice type, setup on the throttle cable by an electric pressure switch that triggered at full throttle. That worked pretty well, but I don't think we ever reached it's full potential before the truck "moved on. " Seems the ol' boy loved it, but ended up buying a 2nd gen dually, which we made run even better, P-pump and all... ...



I started with a really small orifice, . 025, I think it was, electric air solenoiod, and a cheap, unadjustable pressure regulator off an old gas grill. Orifice was what comes in the propane conversion kits for gas stoves, furnaces, dryers. Then we went to the . 035 orifice for natural gas, and the last time I opened it up to . 045 with a small drill bit. His biggest desire was to not have to downshift uphill... ... . so at near full throttle, he hit the pressure switch mounted to the throttle cable connector post and here comes the LPG. We didn't have a local dyno, so I never saw it run, but supposedly(this guy was fairly reputable, but he might add a little here and there..... ) he ran it on a mobile one they brought in to the local diesel shop one weekend, and it ran 385 to the rear wheels. I'm guessing that the propane was adding 85-100hp. The Bully Dog kit adds around 80, it's advertised... ... . the propane tank was a 100lb bottle out of his grandfather's old truck. Same place the first setup came from. We had it bolted on the back side of a 110gal L tank in the bed, and he had no shortage of diesel or propane!! One thing I never got to do was try an adjustable pressure regulator.....



Second truck was a '91 Intercooled W250, reg cab, auto. The guy bought a Bully Dog kit used somewhere and called me to see if I would install it. He had everything, so no problem. I don't know how it ran in time. I test drove it after, and it really ran well, but the transmission wasn't helping it much. I didn't touch the pump, which I think the guy was missing out on what the truck could do, as they have a lot more potential. I never saw the man or truck again, despite the fact he supposedly lives 10 miles from me... .....



Ron Davies, was the guys name with the mobile dyno. Supposedly, he lives not far from me, but I can't find a phone number for him, to see if anyone knows him... ... and the dyno is supposedly for sale..... Anyone know the guy?

 

[RSchwarzli]

Wow! This thread is up to a page a day! You guys have too much time on your hands! :-laf

So, what's your excuse? You can't be THAT mad at the SuperCrew!?!? And skunk works?!? Oh, you shouldn't have said that... now I'm curious!! As Snagglepuss would say, "Do tell, do tellllllllla!! Details, detailllza!!!"

Dont need an excuse. Just lack of modivation as I am at 6 years, and with work on the Flux Capacitor (oops! There you go snagglepuss) that keeps me busy.



I see shortly though work will begin. I hope.

Well let's hope he's a better injun ear than mason.

Oooooh! Burn! :-laf

BS this may have been the second best thread ever on TDR!

Why thank you! May soon be the biggest thread on the TDR! What does that have to say about us?

Hmm, yeah, I'd not be very happy with the guy if he abused my truck. It wouldn't be very healthy for him, and the whole dyno day might end abrubtly.....

OMG thats funny!

I'm not sure I'd let someone else drive my truck I didn't know. I know what it sounds like, and if something goes wrong, I can shut it down.....

Yup. Fuylly agreed. Thats why I never went on the rollers. Only 2 people drive my truck. Dad and myself. And as dad does not like driving it anymore since it turned into a "plane cockpit", problem solved!

I used to have a Jeep with a 6" lift, 38's, in-line 6, 5:88 gears... . you get the idea. I took it in to get it inspected at one of those Jiffy Lube places, and ended up almost going to jail!!! The little prick had to do the safety test, and was driving it, when he pulled around back and I heard the engine revving. I looked up, and could the top of the roll bars over a van, and he wound it up and dumped the clutch to try and pop a wheelie!! I hit the back door in a run, and literally drug the Obama Supporter out of my Jeep and bounced his head off the concrete!!! The manager ran out there and got in my face, which I was already mad, so he ended up on the ground, too... ... . the cops were called, it was ugly, and I won't be going back to that place, needless to say. Just over one person being stupid!! Luckily, it didn't break anything... ...

Remind me not to mess with you!



Yeah, once went into jiffy lube as I needed a quick last minute oil change as I was informed I was going for a 1200 mile drive to pick up a car for a buddy. I asked departure time? He said as soon as I got off work. I was already 400 miles overdue on the change so I ran up the road to Jiffy. Well this guy with his pants half way down his butt works on the truck. I read him the riot act. He understands. I go to start the truck after the filter and oil goes in, I wait and wait and wait no oil PSI. I shut the truck off. He says WTF? Said no PSI. He said it will come. I said did you prefill the filter. He said why would you do that?#@$%!



He saw me a few months later and asked why I did not come back... .

 

[RSchwarzli]

... and there's something to that. There's always a lot of noise outside, you don't hear inside. I think a lot of it is the anxiety that you're not in control of your baby.

For sure!

But consider how much we spend on these things, and the amount of time we have in them, how proud we are of them, and then to see someone else having the fun behind the wheel... ... and you know as well as I, that every truck is different, shifts different, clutch engagement is different. If the tech is in there, and you hear gear clash, and see the truck jerk from clutch engagement, and see the rear end roll 2 inches from sudden speed change and torque, that'd upset me, too. If he's pushing on the shifter like he's in the World's Strongest Man competition, I'm not gonna like it. He might know every torque spec on the dang thing, but that doesn't mean he knows how to drive it. No offense to anyone, just I know my truck better than anyone else.....

FULLY Agreed. As mentioned above. Only two people drive my truck... .

If you're afraid someone's going to tear your truck up, you don't want to come back. That's natural. And what fun is it to not get to drive your own Money Pit on the dyno?!?!

You got it! In the 3 years I have set up dyno days, I have always required driving your own truck on the rollers. This is the first time I did not. That will not happen again.

 

[SRay]

Bschwarzli: Yeah I learned a lot about what people want on dyno days. I hope Taylor will change their minds on letting people drive their own trucks. If not, oh well, we'll continue at Diesel Doctors or wherever the membership base wants. Not easy being VP sometimes :-laf I'm sure Bschwarzli says the same as President.

 

[Nyoest]

Changing the subject only slightly (?), has anyone out there put propane injection on a first gen? Results??????

Hey hey hey don't you go trying to get this thread back on track!



There never was a track to begin with!



Don't have any first hand experience but all I've ever heard was good, as long as you wanted to dork with two fuels.

 

[Nyoest]

Over 2,000 veiws on this thread. Wow, lotta time wasted

 

[HHhuntitall]

Bschwarzli: Yeah I learned a lot about what people want on dyno days. I hope Taylor will change their minds on letting people drive their own trucks. If not, oh well, we'll continue at Diesel Doctors or wherever the membership base wants. Not easy being VP sometimes :-laf I'm sure Bschwarzli says the same as President.

..... yep. I've been #3 for a long time, myself. Mom, Dad, Me... . In that order, and I've learned about that..... and three important facts to remember, taught to me by a plumber, that I think are VERY applicable:



1. Sewage runs downhill.

2. Don't chew your fingernails.

3. Payday is on Friday(every 6 months for me, but still... . )



Still, I hope you can work it out. Some of us younger guys have got to be involved or it will end when the older ones get burned out and quit. I don't really know if there's a Texas chapter of TDR..... most of the diesel guys around here are not the kind I hang with on the weekends. I like to get things done, and not just empty and crush cans... .

Over 2,000 veiws on this thread. Wow, lotta time wasted

It's called "Break time. " And you're one of the ones who uses that to check posts!! My computer is at my desk, so if I get a break, guess where I go to sit down..... Besides, here lately, I've been busy sniping things off E-bay!! And TDR is just a click away.....

Hey hey hey don't you go trying to get this thread back on track!



There never was a track to begin with!



Don't have any first hand experience but all I've ever heard was good, as long as you wanted to dork with two fuels.

Hey, there are lots of tracks!!! Black, wide, rubber skid mark tracks all over the place!! I used to tell people..... " as soon as you come out of the third S curve, there'll be a lot of black track marks on the pavement next to a black gate! That's where you turn off the pavement to go down to the house. " There are black marks from a Jeep behind the Jiffy Lube on University, in Denton, too!! Also some black tracks all over Texas, many behind an old '96 12v Dodge..... kinda like a calling card. Rough on tires, but good for reputation... ... . which set of tracks would like to get on?

Wow! This thread is up to a page a day! You guys have too much time on your hands!



Why thank you! May soon be the biggest thread on the TDR! What does that have to say about us?

We like our trucks. Go figure, look where we are... ...

Yup. Fuylly agreed. Thats why I never went on the rollers. Only 2 people drive my truck. Dad and myself. And as dad does not like driving it anymore since it turned into a "plane cockpit", problem solved!

I've got just the opposite problem. My wife, Dad, and I are the only one's that have ever driven my '97. Dad's always playing with buttons to see what they do... ... I told him I'm gonna install an ejection seat, with hotshot... . he'll be driving down the road in front of me, honking the train horns at people in MY truck!! Then the reverse lights come on and off, the bed arms will go up and down, the spotlights come on... ... you get the idea. But he's easier on it than me, so I can't complain about it, unless he leaves the lights on and kills the batteries!!! He's worse than a pet coon!!

Remind me not to mess with you!

Oh, that's no fun!!! Just don't jack with my truck, and we'll be friends!

Yeah, once went into jiffy lube as I needed a quick last minute oil change as I was informed I was going for a 1200 mile drive to pick up a car for a buddy. I asked departure time? He said as soon as I got off work. I was already 400 miles overdue on the change so I ran up the road to Jiffy. Well this guy with his pants half way down his butt works on the truck. I read him the riot act. He understands. I go to start the truck after the filter and oil goes in, I wait and wait and wait no oil PSI. I shut the truck off. He says WTF? Said no PSI. He said it will come. I said did you prefill the filter. He said why would you do that?#@$%!



He saw me a few months later and asked why I did not come back... .

Yep. I don't know how many times I've had people come in and want me to check a new leak. I pop the hood, do my inspection, and ask them,"Did you just get your oil changed?"

"UH, yeah?"

"Get it changed at the Jiffy Lube or Speedy Lube?"

"Uhhhhhh, Yeah?"

"Ok, I'm gonna charge you $20, fix it, and fill it up with oil; I suggest you go back down there and tell them they owe it to you. "

"Uhhhh, ok? Why?"

"Because the only thing leaking is the oil filter. It's not tight. I'm gonna tighten it and add some oil. "

"Uhhhh, ok. Those *Obamas*!! Do you see this problem very often?"

"Bout once every two weeks, or every 4 years... . "

 

[SRay]

OK, how does that work with Robert and me? I'm older than he is and I'm the VP, I'll be burnt out before I ever make President of Ontario chapter. :-laf

I already don't have much hair left on top and I'm only 29.



Sewage runs downhill - sewage always go down hill, even in our house when the crapper backs up. Over the rim, onto the floor, out the door and then goes down hill anyways.



Yup, same up north, empty and crush cans is what most people do. Some parties of 15 people have about 350 cans emptied at the end.



Jiffy lube guys are pathetic, even Economy lube. There are people that have found out that Economy Lube just opens the drain plug and drain a little bit and put plug back in. Install new oil filter, top up and off the customer goes with half to two/thirds of old oil still in there. People started noticing that when they checked the oil later, it's black already.



Must be nice to have that many breaks:-laf Is there lots of coffee?:-laf My iphone is on me all the time except bed. It gets charged twice a day for the amount of use it gets and gets a shut eye as well when I'm sleeping. Even now that I have a laptop, the iphone is used a lot. Even at work.



HHhuntitall: did the jiffy lube guy get a prize for pulling off stunts with your jeep?



Oh yes, we love our trucks, even a judge in court knows that. The girlfriend or wife if they kicked our trucks, the judge usually gives them a scolding and then tell them that vehicles are always a guy's true love first, ladies second. :-laf



I love actual wrestling and bar room brawls. Fun making my friends eat dirt. :-laf