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Chrysler's latest concept: Take on Hummer









By Jim Mateja

Tribune auto reporter

Published November 23, 2003



DETROIT -- The words to live by at Chrysler are simple and to the point:



"Don't get mad, get even. "



That, it seems, is what Chrysler Group intends to do, as evidenced by the Jeep Rescue, one of a trio of concepts the automaker unveiled to the media here last week that bears a striking resemblance to the Hummer H2.



About a year ago, Chrysler sued General Motors, charging that the Hummer H2 bore the same seven-slotted grille as every member of the Jeep lineup.



While Chrysler cried foul, the court said, tsk, tsk, and the H2 kept its grille.



Trevor Creed, senior vice president of design, seemed especially energetic when taking the wraps off Rescue, which he said represents "where we might go in the near future with an extreme off-road vehicle. "



Going after the Hummer by any chance?



"Oh, yeah," be beamed in reply.



Rescue is built on a 123-inch wheelbase, or just a little longer than the 122. 8 inches on the H2. Rescue is 80 inches wide, or 1. 2 inches narrower than the H2, if a vehicle 80 inches wide can be called narrow.



No mention of engine, though at the same preview, Chrysler showed off a variety of 2005 model products that included a new heavy-duty Dodge Ram pickup sporting a 6. 1-liter diesel V-8 boasting 325 horsepower and 600 foot-pounds of torque. With Rescue built off the Dodge Ram platform, the 6. 1-liter would be possible, if not logical.



In addition to size and styling reminiscent of H2, Rescue features removable doors and folding windshield, cues borrowed from the Jeep Wrangler, plus navigation system, adjustable ride height suspension, remote-control winches and 37-inch radial tires.



Rescue seats four. There's also a large cargo hold behind the second-row seat, and if you look close, you can see that the roof and side panels covering the cargo hold could be removed to convert the huge SUV into a huge SUV/pickup with cargo bed like Hummer has done for '05 with a pickup version of the H2 called the H2 SUT.



Rescue will be joined on the auto-show circuit beginning in January in Detroit by the Dodge Sling Shot and Jeep TREO.



While Chrysler Group insists that any or all of its annual concepts are potential candidates for assembly, awaiting only reaction from auto-show visitors, you can dismiss TREO as a production contender.



TREO seats three in novel fashion, two upfront, one in the rear. It is powered by a hydrogen fuel-cell teamed with four electric motors.



Its purpose was simply to serve as an early look at the type of vehicle that might be powered by a fuel cell someday.



By the time hydrogen fuel cells arrive, you can expect Chrysler to have developed a host of possible vehicles to carry them.



A vehicle with more than an outside shot at production is the Dodge Sling Shot, a small, two-seat coupe that features styling similar to a Dodge Viper upfront and an '05 Dodge Magnum hatchback in back.



Sling Shot also is built off the same platform as the small smart now sold in Europe. Smart is a DaimlerChrysler subsidiary that's part of the Mercedes-Benz automotive group and is sold only in Europe.



It is slated to arrive in the U. S. in the 2006 model year, with the first offering set to be a mini sport-ute.



Sling Shot, which converts into an open-top roadster when you retract the canvas roof, hints platform-sharing derivatives could be in the works.



"While the Dodge Viper was an extreme vehicle that is bold, powerful and full of life for the adventurous, Sling Shot is the polar opposite," Creed said, noting that unlike the Viper's 500-h. p. V-10 engine, Sling Shot carries a 90-h. p. 3-cylinder gas engine that delivers 45 m. p. g.



High mileage and low-cost transportation, again the opposite of Viper.



In addition to the concepts, Chrysler provided media with a peek at a host of production models it will introduce nearly monthly starting next year.



Chief Executive Officer Wolfgang Bernhard noted that with the new models, Chrysler will redo roughly 60 percent of its lineup for the '05 model year, a move that "will shut them up," he said, referring to critics chiding Chrysler for an old model lineup.



Among the new entries, all of which are designated '05 models, will be the previously announced Chrysler 300C and Dodge Magnum sedans, rear-wheel-drive replacements for the front-wheel-drive LH sedans; the Chrysler PT Cruiser convertible with power cloth top; and a larger Dodge Durango SUV.



Models not previously announced that also are designated as '05s include the Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, a 15-inch longer rendition of the Wrangler built on a 10-inch longer wheelbase. The bigger dimensions are aimed at providing better ride and handling as well as room for four occupants and their stuff; the Jeep Liberty Renegade and Limited that not only will feature different front-end styling from one another but also will offer a 2. 8-liter diesel engine for the first time; and a redesigned Jeep Grand Cherokee powered by a 5. 7-liter Hemi V-8.



Also new for '05 will be the redesigned Dodge Dakota midsize pickup with a Quad Cab for the first time; the heavy-duty Dodge Ram with 6. 1-liter diesel; plus a new Chrysler Crossfire convertible and new SRT6 high-performance versions of the coupe and convertible with supercharged 330-h. p. versions of the current 3. 2-liter, 215-h. p. 6-cylinder.



Bernard was asked why a Dodge Charger wasn't among the concepts unveiled at the media preview, especially because Pontiac has brought back the GTO that competed against the Charger in muscle-car days.



"Stay tuned," he said.



In addition to the concepts, Chrysler brought out two mystery packages, vehicles kept under wraps throughout the entire preview.



"We'll show them in March," said Dieter Zetsche, Chrysler Group president and chief executive.





Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune



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this is from the chicago tribune...







p. s. guys i am not sure if i can get in trouble for this... but if this is illegal tell me i will delete it right away. . thanks
 
could it be DC phasing in a mercedes diesel? do they make a 6. 1L ? there has been rumers in the past of DC phasing in a mercedes diesel.



then again,,, most reporters don't have a clue!
 
Before everybody gets panicky over the "demise" of the Cummins 359, don't forget the 2005 Dodge Ram 4000 chassis/cab starts production in April, and that 6. 1 could very well be the engine in that particular truck. If there was a new engine coming in January, it wouldn't maintain the same order code of ETH, and I doubt DC or Cummins would go through the expense of fitting a revised engine in the Ram just from January until June when regular 2004 production stops, then replace it altogether. Cummins extended their current contract with DC past 2007, so there will continue to be a big-C under the Ram 2500/3500 hood.



December 10 is the Dodge/Cummins announcement date regarding what will happen Jan 5 2004.
 
If the rescue sits on the same platform as the heavy duty ram and it will have a 6. 1l i really doubt theyd keep the 5. 9 in it... This sucks doesnt DC understand why most of us buy the truck. It has much bigger stronger components (which is why it last for 300,000 plus miles) better on gas, cheaper parts, etc. Why go like everyone else... there v-8 suck compared to our i-6. Man DC is really #@$%! up
 
NEW CUMMINS

As I posted last month I will never own a V-8 diesel,and if DC puts one in their trucks I hope some other auto maker starts putting in the ISB I-6 in their vehicles.





I guest DC did not ever check the forum over at thedieselstop.com. I known its a cummins but it still is a V-8. I hope this is just a rumor.
 
I'm not one bit concerned that a V-8 diesel is going to end up under the hood of a HD Ram before 2008 Model Year.



Cummins has stated more than once "We don't do V8s!" They speak from experience.



Sooo, either the "6. 1" is a stroked 5. 9 Cummins, or a diesel of another make (quite unlikely). That's if anything different happens at all (very unlikely, my bets are the 5. 9L will reign through 2007). As dumb as Dodge can be sometimes I am confident they aren't THAT stupid. The Cummins/Dodge relationship has been strong and a winning combination. There is NOTHING that can be gained by going to a V8, especially engineering and build costs!



The hype around the Jeep Rescue is no different than all the hype around the Power Wagon concept 4 years ago that was to be powered by the 7. 1L Cat turbodiesel. This didn't even come close to fruition.



Final word. . . Guys, relax! :)



Vaughn
 
I agree with Vaughn. I think the press has it screwed up. There's no way Cummins would put a V-8 out there for Dodge.
 
It is my observation that most of us buy the trucks we buy not for the truck but for the engine. The Ford guys are for the most part buying a truck that happens to have a half decent diesel engine. If you want to get right down to it, Excursion owners notwithstanding, the Ford guys buy a cab. I know there are exceptions to my thinking so don't accuse me of painting with a broad brush. All I'm saying is that if I had a dollar for every time that I heard someone say they'd buy a Dodge over a Ford if they could get the cab room the Ford has in a Dodge, I wouldn't have a truck payment. Well, may be $2 for every time. I bought the Cummins 5. 9l I6 diesel engine. The only way I could get that was in a Dodge Truck. If they go to a V8 diesel then I think you will see a lot of defections to Ford which already sells a ton of trucks as it is. You may even see some go to, gulp, Chevy which isn't doing as bad as I had thought with the D-max. I'm sure that there are bean counters and market research data that indicate that this alleged switch would negatively impact sales and maybe it won't. I have been a loyal Dodge owner/buyer since 1994 and just got my 4th truck from them. If Dodge gets a V8 diesel then I'll be forced to take long hard look at Ford next time around. If they want to maintain a strong standing in the HD PU market then they had better keep the HD engine and/or get the cab issue settled. I have a 2003 QC and it is very nice but it still does not have the cab room that the Ford has. But remember, I bought the engine. I didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. I guess what I'm trying to say to DC: Dance with one who brung ya.



Darren
 
I'm with Vaughn, can't see it happening. To me it sounds like someone got thier info wrong and now the press keeps repeating it. :rolleyes:

On the bright side, if we're wrong, I guess I just made the best decision of my life to buy my '03. I imagine its value would go up a fair chunk, as well. ;)

Dave
 
I'm with Vaughn...

I believe that the 2004. 5 and 2005s will still have the I6 5. 9l turned up to what ever DC wants it to be. I can't see Cummins going to a V8. All of their BIG Diesels are I6s, so let's sell the DC boys a V8??? That does not make sense.



Relax.



I am awaiting my 2005 I6 Cummins powered Ram Quad Cab. :cool: Oo.
 
sorry to burst your bubble but they arent making a full size quad cab... Everyone that has a quad cab now more than agrees the room is ok... Hopefully dodge wont start making buses in 2005 :rolleyes:
 
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Hyde said:

It is my observation that most of us buy the trucks we buy not for the truck but for the engine.

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I'll ditto that! I'd go back to Ford with the leaf spring solid front axle if they had a cummins!



Perhaps all these unanswered questions is why they are called



DODGE?':cool:



I've repented, the gen 2/3 Dodges are the best looking. But I'd buy function over looks. Dodge are you listening?
 
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