Attention: TDR Forum Junkies 
Look I don't want a war on this, but some of the commits are way off base. Don't try being quite or anything, and please don't try to sell me on your own atempt to JUSTIFY lying, cheating or anything else. The M&M law does not even come into play with these case. And Chrysler isn't suddenly getting TRICKY. What they are doing is wiseing up to all the stupid tricks everyone else is trying to pull on them. Yes I know Chrysler and others like them are the MAN (Burocracy, Corporations, with large deep pockets), and some think they are suppose to be taken. But know matter how you try and justify your actions, it dozen't wash. Two wrongs never make a right, and stealing is stealing no matter who it involves. People have it all wrong, nobody owe's you anything. You bought a truck, they supplied you with a warranty (written contract that spelled out what was and was not covered, and the terms and specifications of that contract, along with time restrictions) and you both signed in agreement to it's terms. They held up there part, but you decided too change the terms in your favor, and then expect them to honor the new agreement, knowing it would cost them money. Know one would call this a reasonable offer, no one.
Chrysler would go broke if they allowed all there customers this exclusion. Final they are in a position to detect, when someone has altered the engines performance, being mechanical or electrical. I say GREAT, and I hope they expand on this to make it even harder for dishonest people to get away with fraudulent warranty claims. Yes, I know this may not be a very popular topic, usually the ones that side with the large corporation are not. But, Dodge is not the ones that broke the original agreement, were they? No, they would have be very glade to honor the full warranty under the original terms.
Diesel trucks have grown so fast in popularity, that the dealers have been forced to step-up detection methods. What was once overlooked, is now fought. Our own sport has grown to bit us, with the popularity of the Diesel Performance Aftermarket, Chrysler and all others had to make the neccessary changes it has made. Who, would not do the same thing?? Yes the Cummins is or at least was a very robust engine, and yes it was capable of easialy doubling it's power output, back when it made 160 or 180 HP. But with the power wars going on, and the electonic aftermarket taking off, the Cummins is not quite as robusrt as it once was. Many may argue this point, but it is true. You can not constantly keep upgrading the power without deminishing the engines ability to survive for 250,000 miles. Also the increasing amount of EPA devices, and Lower quality fuel takes it toll. Yes the new 6. 7L Cummins makes less HP then the current Cummins offered by Dodge, blame the strict EPA regulations on it. Cummins had to redesign the engine in order to stay competative. The old engine design had reached it's end with reguard to durability and meeting stricter EPA standards.
Don't think warranty cost effect the companies, look at Ford. In 2005 they were $500 million over budget by the first 9 months. This all thanks to the 6. 0l Powerstroke engine and it's problems.
The aftermarket companies are just as much to blame for the added EPA restrictions and engine troubles as anybody. After all, do any of us actually know how they are managing to get the added power out of the engines??? Yes I know what they say in their ads, but no one knows the specifics. We are trusting them to do the right thing, while asking them to give us 100-150 more HP.
Chrysler would go broke if they allowed all there customers this exclusion. Final they are in a position to detect, when someone has altered the engines performance, being mechanical or electrical. I say GREAT, and I hope they expand on this to make it even harder for dishonest people to get away with fraudulent warranty claims. Yes, I know this may not be a very popular topic, usually the ones that side with the large corporation are not. But, Dodge is not the ones that broke the original agreement, were they? No, they would have be very glade to honor the full warranty under the original terms.
Diesel trucks have grown so fast in popularity, that the dealers have been forced to step-up detection methods. What was once overlooked, is now fought. Our own sport has grown to bit us, with the popularity of the Diesel Performance Aftermarket, Chrysler and all others had to make the neccessary changes it has made. Who, would not do the same thing?? Yes the Cummins is or at least was a very robust engine, and yes it was capable of easialy doubling it's power output, back when it made 160 or 180 HP. But with the power wars going on, and the electonic aftermarket taking off, the Cummins is not quite as robusrt as it once was. Many may argue this point, but it is true. You can not constantly keep upgrading the power without deminishing the engines ability to survive for 250,000 miles. Also the increasing amount of EPA devices, and Lower quality fuel takes it toll. Yes the new 6. 7L Cummins makes less HP then the current Cummins offered by Dodge, blame the strict EPA regulations on it. Cummins had to redesign the engine in order to stay competative. The old engine design had reached it's end with reguard to durability and meeting stricter EPA standards.
Don't think warranty cost effect the companies, look at Ford. In 2005 they were $500 million over budget by the first 9 months. This all thanks to the 6. 0l Powerstroke engine and it's problems.
The aftermarket companies are just as much to blame for the added EPA restrictions and engine troubles as anybody. After all, do any of us actually know how they are managing to get the added power out of the engines??? Yes I know what they say in their ads, but no one knows the specifics. We are trusting them to do the right thing, while asking them to give us 100-150 more HP.
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