2007 ISB info from Cummins

[rteig]

http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/applications/isb_medium.jsp



Check this out!

 

[ENafziger]

Interesting... the link indicates that the speed of the 2007 engines will be governed to 2600 rpm. I work at the National Transportation Research Center, and rumors on DPF costs on Class 8 trucks for 2007 are in the $6k - $10k range. While cummins says the DPF will go 200k - 400k before needing replaced, the cost of a new filter @200k may be more than the cost of an engine rebuild. Moreover, with the additional computer controls for regeneration strategies, careful back pressure monitoring, and VGT control schemes, it seems as if modifying these trucks will not be an option... or a much more complicated and expensive option at least. I'm liking my '06 better every day!

 

[damar]

There is a different RPM rating depending on the application. If you go to the above Cummins site and click on applications, you will find that school bus applications have one RPM rating, motor home applicatiions have a different RPM rating and the Dodge Ram have a different RPM rating.

 

[klenger]

4. 5 gallons of oil? At 20 mpg, you could drive 90 miles just on the oil in the crankcase.



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[FATCAT]

Interesting... the link indicates that the speed of the 2007 engines will be governed to 2600 rpm. I work at the National Transportation Research Center, and rumors on DPF costs on Class 8 trucks for 2007 are in the $6k - $10k range. While cummins says the DPF will go 200k - 400k before needing replaced, the cost of a new filter @200k may be more than the cost of an engine rebuild. Moreover, with the additional computer controls for regeneration strategies, careful back pressure monitoring, and VGT control schemes, it seems as if modifying these trucks will not be an option... or a much more complicated and expensive option at least. I'm liking my '06 better every day!

I have to say that the first major hurtle that ANY performance manufacture would have to do is break the computer code for monitoring the DPF and the regeneration procedures. Once these can be identified, then can be shut down and the DPF and fuel lines to the exhaust can be cut out and removed. That might be the extent of "performance mods" for the first few years of this new engine ... . anything else like fueling mods and what not will be for naught if the engine can not breath properly.

If the exhaust system can not be removed without the engine computer going nuts, then I will predict that the market for the Cummins HD Dodge trucks will come to a screeching hault very shortly.

Who here at the TDR would be willing to spend 10+ thousand dollars over a gas model for the same truck and then have to spend some $6,000+ for a new DPF and exhaust system after 150 - 200,000 miles? Not me I can tell ya.

The 2005-2006 models will be worth their weight in gold in the coming years ... you you guys who own one of them now BETTER TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM for the forseeable future.

 

[Amish Elegance]

http://www.tdr1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28006&highlight=ISBe





The performance world didn't end with the common rail like some said it would. It wont with the 6. 7 either. All that computer foo-do-jiggery aint so complicated after all. We've got the attention of the aftermarket. Early buyers may have to wait a couple months for the aftermarket to catch up, but when it does...



They've got O2 simulators for the gassers with long tube headers. Whos to say they wont come out with DPF sensor simulators. "Race Only," yeah right. Heck, with some weather proof plug caps and a computer flash from a downloader, you'll probably be able to straight pipe that thing! And you thought the 5. 9 sounded like a big rig?! Oo. They should come factory with air horns!



And if that aint enough... I had a dream last night where I got my hands on a 07 MC with the Asian transmission. Three words... Sideways in Third. Woke up in a cold sweat, sat up all outta' breath... Something was different... this smell... what was it... I know I showered before bed... Then I noticed... .























My hands were covered in diesel! :-laf



Its a sign.

 

[Mhannink]

I have to say that the first major hurtle that ANY performance manufacture would have to do is break the computer code for monitoring the DPF and the regeneration procedures. Once these can be identified, then can be shut down and the DPF and fuel lines to the exhaust can be cut out and removed. That might be the extent of "performance mods" for the first few years of this new engine ... . anything else like fueling mods and what not will be for naught if the engine can not breath properly.

If the exhaust system can not be removed without the engine computer going nuts, then I will predict that the market for the Cummins HD Dodge trucks will come to a screeching hault very shortly.

Who here at the TDR would be willing to spend 10+ thousand dollars over a gas model for the same truck and then have to spend some $6,000+ for a new DPF and exhaust system after 150 - 200,000 miles? Not me I can tell ya.

The 2005-2006 models will be worth their weight in gold in the coming years ... you you guys who own one of them now BETTER TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM for the forseeable future.

i don't think that the dpf is whats gonna bring the sales of diesels and paticuarly dodge diesels mainly because all 3 companys have to these things on. plus im guessing the gassers have new regulations too that might be more expensive. so the price difference will be about the same. also there are so many people that want diesels and everyone is raving for the new 07 especilly ford and dodge people(the ones that dont know anyways). the only thing i see killing them is the price of fuel. as for the mods they will come computers can be hacked and changed it just takes time how long how knows. but the one thing i know is that the more i hear about these new engines the more i love my 95.

 

[Matt400]

http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/applications/isb_medium.jsp



Check this out!

That link wouldn't work for me.



edit Site must have been down. . working now.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Interesting... the link indicates that the speed of the 2007 engines will be governed to 2600 rpm.

That is very typical of most Cummins B-series applications, almost all are governed to 2600-2800 RPM. It was the case for the 12-valves, then the 24-valves, and now the HPCR motors. In the Dodge application the torque is reduced and RPM increased compared to the stronger B-series in other applications.

 

[VTomasso]

about that DPF

Hey guys...



Did anyone catch the part in the "features" section of the Cummins link that says the particulate filter service life is 200-400k before CLEANING ?



Cleaning vs. Replacing... big difference.



Just thought I'd point that out

 

[TX Gooseneck]

Yay for Government regulations!



My truck is two years old has 235k on it and checking on my bank account, I'm pretty sure that a 6-10k hit would send my wife into an absolute fit.



Might have to speed things up and get an 06.

 

[Cattletrkr]

As far as modding goes, I'm assuming there's still a tone ring or crankshaft sensor on that thing somewhere. It's not much, but it's a start.