2011HO Lots of Codes

[AKorner]

Hello everyone,

Everything was fine until around 27,000mi but now I'm having a couple problems with the truck. Its going into the dealer (40mi round trip) next week for the sixth time in four months. I was going through the invoices and figured i'd post them word for word on here. Maybe its some loose wires? Water in some connectors somewhere? If you take the time to get through it all I'd appreciate any input? Stuff I can try?



The truck is driven every day I would say at least 40-80 mi mostly highway and mountain passes in the Los Angeles area. 10000lb trailer once or twice a week though not very long... 20mi maybe. Rarely sees rain or snow.



Has to stay CA emissions legal.





4/7/2012 16,221mi:

Oil Change



6/11/2012 20,548mi:

Oil Change

Rotate Tires

L-38 Recall (Replace washer fluid reservoir)

Rapid Response Transmittal 12-018



9/25/12 26,166mi:

Oil Change

Diesel fuel injection flush & fuel filter



10/19/12 27,546mi:

Problem: DPF Full error

Solution: Inspected & verified condition DTC #P1451. Verified Condition found DTC #1451 (DPF Performed in PCM) Perform TSB #18-04-511 Fill out diagnostic worksheet. Perform MIL light on pretest procedure. No warranty history on this code. No fuel contamination. Performed visual inspection DPF. inspection failed. Replace Diesel particulate filter & reset. Roadtested OK verified repair.

Parts: 68035060-AA Converter 14070004



10/25/12 28,138mi:

Problem: Check Engine Light

Solution: Inspected and diagnosed code #P2262. Verified condition. Found code DTC #P2262 in ECM. Fill out diag. worksheet per TSB #18-045-11 that led to malfunction light on pre diag test that led to diagnostic for #P2262 that led to the cleaning procedure in misc functions in star scan after running the clean procedure in musc functions in Star Scan. After running the clean procedure the turbo passed message at the end was “cleaning successful” Roadtested 8 miles code not returning.

Parts: 68044565-AA Cleaner T 1081080



11/10/12 29,553mi:

Oil Change



11/28/12 30,266mi:

Problem: Check Engine Light and Sluggish acceleration

Solution: Verified Condition found fault code #P2000. Found TSB #18-012-12 for this code. Flashed ECM & verified repair. Quick learned Transmission & added flash label



12/13/12 30,805mi:

Problem: Check Engine Light

Solution: Verified condition found code #P014C in ECM. Filled out diagnostic check sheet per TSB #18-045-11. Performed diagnostic per flow chart for code. No other DTC’s present. Cleared code then performed zero fueling even. (Decel condition for 10 seconds with foot off accelerator) Performed five times DTC returned. Inspected fuel system no issues. Inspected air intake system no issues. No exhaust leaks. No EGR leaks. Removed O2 sensor and cleaned with shop air. Performed zero fueling event five times DTC returned. Switched O2 sensor positions. Performed zero fueling event five times. Fault changed to P013A. Put O2 sensors back to original position & replaced 1/1 O2 sensor. Performed zero fueling event again. No DTC’s. Verified repair due to code-fuel sustem validation not required.

Parts: 5149263-AA Sensor OX 8037155



1/4/13 31,866mi:

Transmission service (new Mag-Hytec pan)

Differential service (new Mag-Hytec diff cover)



2/01/13 33,340mi:

Problem: Check Engine Light

Solution: Inspected and diagnosed DTC #P2000 knox level too high. Run manual re-gen. levels back to normal. Roadtested.



2/8/13 33,777mi:

Oil Change



2/8/13 33,806mi:

Check Engine Light (on the way home of course..... #@$%!)



Solution: Hasn't gone in yet.

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[RonD]

All I can say is after all those Dealer trips I would be finding a new Dealer, best of luck

 

[HBarlow]

A cynic might suggest that your problems actually began just after the 26k mile "fuel system flush. " I have no idea what was actually done or why but it was completely unneeded and may have started your truck down the path of repeat problems. I don't know if an injector issue was created but I would have never allowed them to flush the injection system.

 

[EGroeneveld]

Diesel fuel injection flush & fuel filter



Agree with HBarlow, what the heck was the fuel injection flush done for at so few miles? Generally these ''flush'' things are pure profit for the dealership, are 100% not needed and pure crap. Also find out if it was a real diesel mechanic or a oil change jockey doing the work.



I'd be talking to the dealership service/parts manager and be ****** off, it is okay to be mad. I'd give them one more chance and then find another dealer if it happens again. I'm at 40K on my 2011 and have not had one single check engine light or DPF full light/sign...

 

[AKorner]

Yeah, I cant help but notice all the crap started after that service. I knew I'd missed the fuel filter service and so they took the opportunity to suggest it. My old F250 was brought to its knees a couple times by fuel pump/filter problems with its dual tank/3 pump setup. YES i realize that was a gasoline EFI 460 and not a diesel. So they suggested it and I did it. Whether or not I did it I don't think it should have killed the truck. Even if it did theyve replaced the whole DPF now anyway and I still have problems.

 

[jgillott]

I would want to know, step by step, what was done during the fuel system flush, including what products were used, where the fuel system was opened, etc. Hard to tell what was left loose, opened, bent, broken, etc.

 

[AKorner]

Is there a port just before the high pressure fuel pump that you hook a can of "stuff" up to? Or do you think they could have done something more than that?

 

[AKorner]

Ugh. The dealer parts department just confirmed that they use an "aftermarket product" and "some sort of machine they think. " They wouldn't tell me the name of the product and transferred me to the service department. Swell. Looks like we may have a problem.

 

[HBarlow]

If you're lucky, they simply hooked up a siphon hose to your wallet but they more than likely did something stupid that they'll deny and you'll regret.

Screwing around with the HPCR injection system is not for amateurs but has no bearing on the DPF unless what they did is causing an injector to flow more fuel than design.

 

[AKorner]

HBarlow,
So your thoughts are that it is an injector problem resulting in DPF/Turbo codes? Is there a way to monitor injector flow? Would that also throw a code if an injector was over/under performing?
I should mention that the truck is running perfectly, even with the MIL illuminated, with the exception of the one turbo code it had. That time the acceleration did feel sluggish.
Thanks for responding.

 

[jgillott]

Have you ever noticed your oil level rising or had an oil analysis done?

 

[AKorner]

Yes it rises, but it doesn't seem to be out of line with anything I've read on this site. Maybe 3/4" over full if the oil light takes a while to come on (5-6000mi). I bring it in when the light comes on and have never gone over 6,000mi without doing it. Never had it analyzed.

 

[HBarlow]

HBarlow,
So your thoughts are that it is an injector problem resulting in DPF/Turbo codes? Is there a way to monitor injector flow? Would that also throw a code if an injector was over/under performing?
I should mention that the truck is running perfectly, even with the MIL illuminated, with the exception of the one turbo code it had. That time the acceleration did feel sluggish.
Thanks for responding.

No, I would not make that claim because I don't know what the clown did who supposedly performed the fuel injection cleaning operation. I suspect the injection cleaning fraud they perpetrated on you may be related to the problem you began having soon after but don't know how to prove it unless you can determine with certainty what the clown did. The duty cycle you reported for your truck should not cause any CELs or smogging issues and, to my knowledge, other owners of new Gen IV trucks are not having similar problems.

A cylinder performance test could be run on HPCR 5. 9 and Gen III 6. 7 engines and I assume it can also be performed on your truck. The engine is hooked up to the Dodge dealer's computer and run through a cycle where power output of each cylinder is tested and compared on a written print out. If performance of one cylinder is down that would be an indicator. I know of no way to actually test flow through each injector. I would expect a faulty injector to set a code but don't know what the alarm thresholds are.

TDR member Bob4x4 may know because he works on them and sag2 is a technical expert who joins in occasionally. If you can get him to offer advice and opinions either on the open forum or in a pm you'll be way ahead.

Keep in mind I am only speculating. Neither of us know what the injector flush did if anything or what related damage careless work could have created.

 

[jgillott]

Very well said Harvey.

 

[Hoefler]

I would not allow any service this not outlined as a needed service if it is not in the owners manual. Fuel system flush, I do believe, is not in there. Now if it is needed do to a problem or code set, that is a different situation.

 

[HDR]

Lemon law... . My father in law sued ford over his 6. 0 3500 and won.

 

[AKorner]

I realize I have no idea what was done with this "flush" and I'll be finding out as much as I can next week. But it seems reasonable that a unknown non-Mopar product sent through the system has a potential to foul any emissions equipment downstream that isn't prepared to handle it. They already replaced the entire DPF assembly and the upstream O2 sensor. When I left with the most recent code (P2000) it was mentioned that I probably idled it too much. All of a sudden.

 

[HBarlow]

The downstream soot control equipment is designed to work with healthy normal injectors and computer controlled turbo. If anything disturbs the designed balance and sends more soot downstream CELs, trouble codes, and sooted components can result.

 

[AKorner]

So update:
Took it in again and turned out to be another P2000 code. The dealer collected a bunch of info and forwarded it to Chrysler and said they'd wait for the result before proceeding.
Light came on again on the way home.

 

[EDankievitch]

My truck had two bad injectors, while it didn't trip a code it did send the truck into the ReGen cycle quiet often. And it would fillthe lube oil with fuel. Two new injectors and it's a diffrent truck, I'm up to just shy of 4,000 miles on this oil change the best ever... . I would have the dealer do a check on the injectors just to be sure.