2013 3500 14k GVW ?

[zb39]

I need a Ram 3500 DRW with a payload of 5000 lbs minimum, give it whatever GVWR that's needed for the job. I don't consider a C&C to be a pickup truck.
GM already has a 5000++ plus rated payload on their 3500 DRWs.

I agree, putting a 3500 bed on a C and C is a hassle I don't want to mess with. Same with streching a mega cab, I don't want to do it. I wish Ram would just build it, I don't mind paying for it. I also realize there must be a good business model to build it. That might be the problem. Still, I am hoping for the Long Hauler... ...

 

[EGroeneveld]

I need a Ram 3500 DRW with a payload of 5000 lbs minimum, give it whatever GVWR that's needed for the job. I don't consider a C&C to be a pickup truck.

GM already has a 5000++ plus rated payload on their 3500 DRWs.

Me too, I'd suggest 6000++ pounds payload rating since I have an Arctic Fox 1150 All I need is the front axle rated at 6,000 and the rear rated at 11,000 and I'd be more then covered with a 16K GVW.



I too still want a pickup truck as my daily driver for work, gym, church, shopping, etc... . my commute is 6 miles each way so it will never pay for me to get a small car. Even though I work more then full time, and we have a daughter in grade school, we still got about 50 nights of camping in this year so far plus many more daily trips to riding quads. The truck gets used hard every weekend.

 

[HBarlow]

What you guys are asking for doesn't exist and is not likely to ever exist. The basic laws of physics and DOT truck definitions, marketing factors, and more are the reasons it is not likely.

In order to offer a truck capable of actually carrying a 5k or 6k payload, not a brochure truck like Furd offers, the truck will require much stronger frame, suspension, driveline, axles, brakes, and wheels and tires. Those components will be heavier meaning the unladen weight will be much greater. The theoretical new pickup you're asking for will weigh around 10k lbs. empty and with a 5k or 6k payload will have a GVWR of 15k to 16k which means it is no longer a Class III truck but a Class IV truck. Class III trucks by DOT classification cannot exceed 14k.

A Class IV truck will of necessity ride like a truck or like the current Ram 4500 and 5500s do. A Class IV truck will also create different licensing, registration fees, and in some cases insurance issues. Demand for such a truck is not sufficient for Ram to spend the money to develop a modified pickup bed to fit or it would already be on the market. Not very many prospective owners want a Ram pickup which will ride stiff and cost several thousand dollars more.

Furd doesn't and never did offer a genuine truck capable of carrying those payloads. Furd used brochure engineering to achieve those load carrying claims. The F-450 pickup of today is nothing more than an ordinary F-450 with an extra leaf or two in the springs. The previously offered F-450 p/up did have 19. 5" wheels and tires but no longer does.

You can't have a soft cushy ride and 5k or 6k load capacity. More truck is required.

 

[EGroeneveld]

What you guys are asking for doesn't exist and is not likely to ever exist. The basic laws of physics and DOT truck definitions, marketing factors, and more are the reasons it is not likely.



In order to offer a truck capable of actually carrying a 5k or 6k payload, not a brochure truck like Furd offers, the truck will require much stronger frame, suspension, driveline, axles, brakes, and wheels and tires. Those components will be heavier meaning the unladen weight will be much greater. The theoretical new pickup you're asking for will weigh around 10k lbs. empty and with a 5k or 6k payload will have a GVWR of 15k to 16k which means it is no longer a Class III truck but a Class IV truck. Class III trucks by DOT classification cannot exceed 14k.



A Class IV truck will of necessity ride like a truck or like the current Ram 4500 and 5500s do. A Class IV truck will also create different licensing, registration fees, and in some cases insurance issues. Demand for such a truck is not sufficient for Ram to spend the money to develop a modified pickup bed to fit or it would already be on the market. Not very many prospective owners want a Ram pickup which will ride stiff and cost several thousand dollars more.



Furd doesn't and never did offer a genuine truck capable of carrying those payloads. Furd used brochure engineering to achieve those load carrying claims. The F-450 pickup of today is nothing more than an ordinary F-450 with an extra leaf or two in the springs. The previously offered F-450 p/up did have 19. 5" wheels and tires but no longer does.



You can't have a soft cushy ride and 5k or 6k load capacity. More truck is required.

I know and understand, I just wish that Ram/Dodge would keep up with the other guys a little harder, a diesel crewcab, ''normal'' dually pickup, 4*4 with a 14K rating would be helpfull for many of us Truck campers, toy hauling, and RV'ers that want to stick with a pickup truck. And Ram/Dodge really needs to improve their 3500 SRW truck ratings to keep up.



Honestly my next Truck Camper setup might very well be a Ram 4500/5500 flatbed with storage boxes all around the camper. But as my 2011 only has 36,000 miles I've got at least five more years with our current setup.