2016 3500 Aisin poor throttle response

[SnoKing]

Oh great, I just ordered my 2017 with the Aisin after all the other threads about how great the transmission is. I noticed on my 03 that with a smarty junior that the throttle response was much improved. Is this issue above something that can be corrected by programming or cant you do this aftermarket with the newer trucks

Get it and drive it before you get to concerned. Snoking

 

[TCDiesel]

I no longer pay for New ordered vehicle until I take them home for some time, (1 or 2 days) I also put $0 down, I realize that many jump around on buying, I don't.... Been Buying form the same dealer for 20 years. I also partially own a % of the Franchise for some time back 10 years ago.

So brillmtb ask kindly if you can have the New order in your possession for a day or 2 before you finalize the deal to quash any concerns.

 

[Joezilla]

Does this delay occur on 2017 models also? I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a 2017 Laramie 3500 in the next month. It is not on the dealer's lot yet, but is in transit.

Joe

 

[brillmtb]

I ordered mine 3 weeks ago and nothing to date, not even in transit, production, etc. I think the lag is TQ management control and hope that compared to my 03 it still takes off with a trailer better. We will see. I would hope that dodge would match the engine and transmission better. My 2014 acura mdx takes off without lag and hits the street at incredible speeds, almost like a sports car. Why would our rams not have engine/transmission matched capabilities.

 

[Joezilla]

I ordered mine 3 weeks ago and nothing to date, not even in transit, production, etc. I think the lag is TQ management control and hope that compared to my 03 it still takes off with a trailer better. We will see. I would hope that dodge would match the engine and transmission better. My 2014 acura mdx takes off without lag and hits the street at incredible speeds, almost like a sports car. Why would our rams not have engine/transmission matched capabilities.

My current truck is a 2014 Laramie dually with a 3.73 rear with Aisin. It exhibits zero lag, but I must admit I am not a speed demon nor do I want to be the first off the line. The truck I am looking at is a 2017 Laramie dually with the 4.10 rear with Aisin. I am going to the 4.10 due to towing a 2016 44' Mobile Suites Atlanta. I feel the RV is right near the capabilities of my current truck.

Joe

 

[TCollier]

Does this delay occur on 2017 models also? I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a 2017 Laramie 3500 in the next month. It is not on the dealer's lot yet, but is in transit.

Joe

I have a '15 which is within the the MY people are complaining about. I don't have any issue to the degree where it's any problem. If I am coming to a stop, let off then slap down on the pedal, I can get about a one second lag. I have to do it on purpose. I can also take off from a stop or get out into to traffic from a rolling stop like a striped assed ape. I would buy another one "without any hesitation", pun intended, if I was in the market. The only difference between a '14 & '15 to the '17 DRW will be a few more horses & torques along with 16 bolt ring gear instead of 12 for the 3.73 & 4.10. You will most likely love your new truck.

 

[TCollier]

I ordered mine 3 weeks ago and nothing to date, not even in transit, production, etc. I think the lag is TQ management control and hope that compared to my 03 it still takes off with a trailer better. We will see. I would hope that dodge would match the engine and transmission better. My 2014 acura mdx takes off without lag and hits the street at incredible speeds, almost like a sports car. Why would our rams not have engine/transmission matched capabilities.

You'll probably start seeing some action around week 4, then it'll start happening fast. It'll get a build code, then VIN, then be built in a day. Then it'll be in the phantom zone for about 2 weeks while it's being shifted on and off rail cars and in an out of rail yards all over the country. That's the hardest wait.

 

[2016HO]

Yes it does on some when mine was in trying to figure it out a 17 had come in also with same problem the owner refused shipment. drive it first before buying maybe yours will be fine they told me it is happening across the board not just on Aisin equipped trucks.

 

[Bug Out]

I agree. My 2016 with the aisin has that "LAG" if I floor it or punch it...Give it 1/4 to 3/8 peddle and she goes like a raped ape..Once the throttle kicks in, of course the more the merrier...After reading hundreds of posts on here, its all related to torque management and more so smog.If these 900 ft tqs gave all the fuel you wanted with no lag, you'd smoke the whole place up in a heart beat, i think,.

 

[MJWenrich]

You are probably right but geeeez, couldn't we just get them all to have the same lag? Maybe the one second? I have the BD tuner in mine and a couple days ago, coming up a grade out of town, a Ferd suddenly slowed and pulled to the side like he was having trouble. This was on a curve with nowhere to pull over and I had double yellow lines for no passing. But at the low speed, I had plenty of room to get around him. I thought. I had let off the pedal to slow and when I floored it, the five second delay kicked in again. The tuner does not work in the upper three gears. Thought I was going to head on somebody or side swipe him. Would have been my fault for forgetting I can't get the power needed in those upper gears. Dangerous to drive these in mountain conditions if you plan to pass anyone.

It would seem some adjustment could be made to reduce the lag time some of have.

 

[2016HO]

I just had my 16 in the dealership and the engineers from Ram were there for a whole day and they ran 4 final test on it to try to solve the problem but to no avail. They had one more test to do but they wouldn't do it since I just bough a power stroke 4 days before they said they were done wasting there time, kind of weird I figured they would try to solve the problem before I sell it. Now I'm going trough the NCDS (national center for dispute settlement) and will be having a meeting at the servicing dealership with them in a few weeks to see if Ram will have to buy it back or I the ford dealer will take it in on trade, I don't even feel right selling this truck to someone that is why I won't sell it privately. I hated to have to go this route but they refuse to solve the problem I don't need to keep driving this unsafe truck with my wife and kid along. If they would just make it accelerate from a stop with no lag like my new Ford it would have been the perfect truck with the 900 lb. ft. of torque and the air suspension.

 

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Chopsuey here. I am on my 5th Cummins. My 2016 Cummins with 1 ton SRW Laramie attached is the first and only diesel pickup that I have ever had to spin the rear wheels on dry pavement. That mush weight and that much torque is amazing considering it is a diesel pickup. I grew up with a pickup on the farm and it was designed as a work truck. Plain and simple pickups are for work-hauling and towing. Yup! They were never designed as hotrods. When I pull up to a traffic signal light and wait for it to turn red with two lanes, then green the vehicle next to me puts their foot through the floorboard and off to the races. I have noticed a lag when I tried it one time (put my foot through the floorboard). Not smart. Pickups are not designed as hotrods unless modified to be so. In stock form they are just that used for hauling and towing. I have found that by driving sensibly I do not encounter this lag beyond that first and last adrenaline induced brain fart.
Goes back to individual driving style. Each to his own. I don't give two excrements for what Ford and GMC do or do not do. I do know that with the kind of torque that is produced at the rear wheels now it is easy to see how destruction of everything behind the engine can be a problem. Oh yeah! ONE more thing tolook at. Ever notice how your speed and your cruise control have been governed. Did your dealership explain that one to you prior to you laying out your money. Probably not.
Why is this being done. Simply put-so they are not having to replace twisted and broken components from all of this torque. Think about it. I see it all the time, from a dead stop at a red light to full throttle instantaneously.
Enough cognitive dissonance for now. to each his own. I DO NOT OWN A HOTROD. I like my work truck as a work truck. I have not one soul on this planet that I must impress or give an excrement about. AND YOU? Chopsuey out. Carry on.

 

[brillmtb]

Many of us have experienced the throttle lag. I have the 2017 one ton with aisin and it’s bad. Unsafe really. Been to the dealer multiple times they noticed it but no fix in sight. When my 03 took off smoother, faster and safer I doubt my 17 needs to be torque managed that aggressively to protect itself. It should be every bit as strong and durable. I don’t hot rod but I do want to get across 4 lanes briskly at times. There are times I can count to three before truck picks up. It’s a real issue. I may go to turner just to make it run properly despite warranty games they might play with Mom engine and driveline issues.

 

[2016HO]

I don't got rod my truck if I want a hot rod I just get out 1 of my 3 camaro's or 2 mustangs. I tow 20,000 lbs everyday from March through November from the west side of MI to the east side for my commercial roofing business. It's not that I need my truck to be fast it just needs to saftley cross a 2 lane highway and with the trailer it makes it all the worse. My 06 Mega cab would blow away my 16 Aisin towing with 300 Les lbs. if torque just plain stupid. Ram even told me that it was de-tuned in the first 3 gears just to make the transmission live. Not quite as heavy duty as they claim.

 

[brillmtb]

Yeah, its a joke that my 03 with 400 ft less than my 2017 ran flawless with a smarty jr at low setting for over 200K with no issues and took off smoother and faster.

I actually think they may have made the problem worse if the idea was to tq manage the take off such that you push down, it doesn't go, you push down a little further than 3 sec later it hits harder than you really needed had it taken off without the hesitation in the beginning. I am more disturbed that this is unnecessarily hard on the transmission

 

[brillmtb]

How did you get the attention of that national center. I put in several corp and dealer complaints but they just don't fix the problem. Perhaps I need to elevate somehow

 

[SnoKing]

This problem is highly related to driving style. Roll into the throttle and you will not notice it. Let up and get right back on the throttle hard and it will raise it's ugly head.

File a complaint with www.safercar.gov. The more people that do that the more likely the NHTSA will make FCA do something about. SnoKing

 

[NIsaacs]

It's not that I need my truck to be fast it just needs to saftley cross a 2 lane highway and with the trailer it makes it all the worse.

I am pretty sure, lag and all, it will still blow the doors off a 70', 80k semi or even me at 40', 25k with a 6spd manual, in the same intersection. What am I missing here?

Nick

 

[2016HO]

I am pretty sure, lag and all, it will still blow the doors off a 70', 80k semi or even me at 40', 25k with a 6spd manual, in the same intersection. What am I missing here?

Nick

What your missing here is when you have 2 different truck like I did a 14 and 16 at the time, and the 14 was fine so you get used to it then try to enter or cross a highway with the 16 not remembering how this truck acts and it falls on its face in on coming traffic. It sucks having people flash lights flicking you off thinking you didn't see them when the truck has a 3 second delay. I know some of you guys who never drove a truck with this problem think oh it's no big deal it's a BIG deal when your truck does it. Not all trucks do it but most of the Aisins do. When my truck was ther there was also 4 others ther with the same complaint. I actually had a conference call with my dealer a third party arbitrator from the NHTSB and someone at Chrysler. The arbitrator said since the trucks are designed this way and there was no accidents yet Ram didn't have to cover anything or buy back truck. I told the Chrysler rep if they don't at least give me fair trade on a new Ram to try and see if that was better I would never buy one again. His response was simply OK. Nuff said I will never buy one again. Maybe if more guys complain or switch brands at least for a while they will fix the problem. Not saying my new Powerstokes are better engines than Cummins (they probably are not) but it's Rams programming causing the issue not Cummins.

 

[SnoKing]

What your missing here is when you have 2 different truck like I did a 14 and 16 at the time, and the 14 was fine so you get used to it then try to enter or cross a highway with the 16 not remembering how this truck acts and it falls on its face in on coming traffic. It sucks having people flash lights flicking you off thinking you didn't see them when the truck has a 3 second delay. I know some of you guys who never drove a truck with this problem think oh it's no big deal it's a BIG deal when your truck does it. Not all trucks do it but most of the Aisins do. When my truck was ther there was also 4 others ther with the same complaint. I actually had a conference call with my dealer a third party arbitrator from the NHTSB and someone at Chrysler. The arbitrator said since the trucks are designed this way and there was no accidents yet Ram didn't have to cover anything or buy back truck. I told the Chrysler rep if they don't at least give me fair trade on a new Ram to try and see if that was better I would never buy one again. His response was simply OK. Nuff said I will never buy one again. Maybe if more guys complain or switch brands at least for a while they will fix the problem. Not saying my new Powerstokes are better engines than Cummins (they probably are not) but it's Rams programming causing the issue not Cummins.

Have you filed a complaint on www.safercar.gov ??????