2016 ccsb empty weight

[AH64ID]

I just don't get it!. When yhe truck is optioned with 69rfe, the tow capacity "increases" the weight of 180 lbs by having yhe lighter trans than the Aisin.. Now, explain this... By adding a heavier bed, axle, 2 more tires, the tow rating increases??? Just added additional weight to the same truck.. Now, if ram says the tow capacity on my truck is 16660 lbs., they know the hitch weight can be 25 percent of trailer weight... If you go over rawr, or gvwr , then the 16660 is a LIE! It's like saying all at once, yes you can tow that, but No you can't tow that...

It has been explained several times. It's not a lie, it's marketing. Max tow rating is GCWR minus curb weight and the passenger/hitch/options allowance. Ram lets you operate at up to 25,300 GCW. If you have 1K in payload you reduce available GCW by 1K which then effect trailer capacity.

The DRW vs SRW rating was explicitly explained in the gear thread. I am very confused at what is not to understand, in has been explained in several ways just short of big crayola style. Duallys have different SAE standards, they are shown in the gearing thread.

The 68RFE has the same GCWR and a lighter curb weight, thus a higher available max towing rating. It's the same thing with the DRW version of my truck, I can tow more because the GCWR is the same but I have lower curb weight.

Lots of numbers. You really need to be morn concerned with axle/tire/wheel ratings and less about marketing numbers. Real world towing almost always involves payload.

 

[gsbrockman]

It has been explained several times.

I am very confused at what is not to understand, in has been explained in several ways just short of big crayola style.

:-laf

 

[dfb]

So, the reason two exact trucks have different tow capacity is because they say so!!! Ohhhh I get it in big crayons stile like one guy wears a size 8 shoe and the other guy has a 14 shoe... Bigger shoes can win a tug of war....it has been explained so well now.. As it has many times before. I love the expression when someone says, it has been explained before.. As if I were there and heard it! Obviously if someone asks they did not here it, or read it.. As I have said before..

 

[dfb]

It has been explained several times. It's not a lie, it's marketing. Max tow rating is GCWR minus curb weight and the passenger/hitch/options allowance. Ram lets you operate at up to 25,300 GCW. If you have 1K in payload you reduce available GCW by 1K which then effect trailer capacity.

 

[photowrite]

I think it would be impossible to get a ticket for mfgr GVWR based on that law. There would have to be an additional statue that makes mfgr GVWR a legally binding number, and I haven't found one and have done a bit of searching. Registration weight is legally binding thou.

If GVWR is that big of a concern then modify your door sticker ratings. It's perfectly legal under Federal Title 49 CFR 567.7. I have one since I exceed mfgr RAWR with my 19.5's. I also raised my GVWR while I was making the new one. I wouldn't have done it for GVWR alone.

Far from impossible to get a ticket...'conviction' in a court may be another matter.

If increasing the GAWR/GVWR is easy and reasonable, both cost and hassle (I'm assuming there are state differences here?), I'm interested.

However, it is not a big concern for me, as I'm already running well below the ridiculously low rear GAWR, I'm only occasionally in violation of the GVWR, which I agree is mainly a marketing/warranty number, and as a non-commercial driver my level of concern over enforcement is minimal.

 

[RVTRKN]

Here's a couple of pics that gets around, and to make a point about the proper and improper use of GCW using legal GAWR.

 

[dfb]

Apparently you've never had an encounter with a North Carolina State Trooper that called his DOT co-worker to deliver a set of portable scales. :-laf

Nope! NEVER EVER IN 24 years towing!

 

[gsbrockman]

Nope! NEVER EVER IN 24 years towing!

Greatttttttt !!!!

And your rewards :

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:-laf

 

[dfb]

Lets not forget..

But In Calironia , they did dip my tank!!

 

[dfb]

Nevada DMV registration info... Auto , Light Truck, Motorhome information...
Use this type for most private passenger cars, pickups, SUV's Under 6000 pounds declared gross vehicle weight, including commercial vehicles which operate within Nevada Only. Use this type also sFor all Private motor homes and RVs regardless of weight.

This is how I registered my truck... I declared the GVW of 5999... there is another box just for pickups .... they declare weight for business purposes...If I were to used my truck in business, then the GVW must be declared.. this is according to a hi way patrolman.. He had an RV and Pickup too... If there is any ambiguity in the law, the decision goes to the defendant...

 

[Road Dog]

In BC weight enforcement is handled by CVSE (Commercial Vehicle Safety and Enforcement). (By definition ALL pickups are commercial.) They'll set up portable scales on long weekends and festival weekends to check all vehicles. If you're riding level and the truck looks maintained then you'll get waved through a checkpoint. If you exceed your GVW, GAWR or tire rating then your truck will be taken off the road and towed. They were looking for guys with 1/2T trucks and big campers dragging their bumper on the ground. The same applies to trailers. They have their own GVW, GAWR and tire rating.

To change the factory numbers you have to take the truck to a truck builder who will sign off on modifications done and a new GVW.

There's also a "licensed weight" which is the truck, trailer and payload. It's simply permission to haul and has nothing to do with your vehicle numbers.

In November the police check for snow tires since they're mandatory on most highways. M+S tires are ok.

 

[dfb]

well I don't have any copy's of the laws
BUT what ever your truck is registered at
when you go OVER it , you leave yourself exposed if nothing else to liability in any accident or??(god forbid)
a your insurance will NOT cover anything if your over what your GVW is rated for
, based on what your vehicle registration says
I will GUESS< that there are FINES that can be imposed as well, if your ever checked and OVER the markings on your registration

NEXT when you RAISE your GVW, it then raises your GVW when towing
and BY law, when they do the math, they add up the trailer GVW and then truck

and if your over a certain(don't know exact number) you enter into a new world of needing different credentials on your lic to LEGALLY tow , even IF your under the weight
they base it on what the numbers are, even if you DON"T have that much LB"S on the trailer/truck

SO< just raising your GVW on your truck, isn't always a simple fix, and can get you into deeper water again
again don't have exact numbers just know there are LAW's and set limits

TON"S of folks break these all the time too, so I am NOT blind to this fact
then again millions use illegal drugs, and , well MOST of us I gather SPEED on a regular basis
doesn't mean its RIGHT

But I knew a guy MANY yrs back that was in a big car pile up on a HI way, NOT his fault at all, but was over his GVW and got screwed, NO insurance and ended up in a bunch of law suits he LOST
so that was all I was kind of saying
KNOW your numbers and take your risks as you feel willing to accept
IF anyone REALLY wants to find the laws
contact your local DOT dept, I am sure they can point you to them in hard copy is needed
I don't store law books anymore

Not trying to be disrespectful,, but this is HOGWASH, I have never seen a pickup truck ticketed for being over the manufacturers gvwr. I have never heard of a lawsuit for being over the gvwr. Insurance companies don't care what the vehicle weighs... I know, I called and asked them. Here in Nevada, a pickup truck is thought of like a car for registration purposes. The only time a pickup declares gvw is for commercial use.. I.e., the person slivers rvs or cars. Here in Nevada, we have trucks , which a pickup is not. We are talking, dump trucks, water trucks etc.. A gvw is not considered for pickups for personal use. Here in Nevada, if a person declares weight, they are only giving the state extra money.. My trucks gvw is 12300... I declared 5900.. I have asked the huway patrol and also a local sheriff.. The said the same thing. A pickup is considered a car,,, motorhome and Rv... They are all seen the same as cars...

 

[Deleted member 995608]

I take my long bed in tomorrow for a weight cert. I'm removing the tailgate and the spare tire to lighten the load for reg purposes. From what I've read, it should weigh around 7600lbs.

 

[dfb]

Nevada does not do this..

 

[dfb]

well I don't have any copy's of the laws
BUT what ever your truck is registered at
when you go OVER it , you leave yourself exposed if nothing else to liability in any accident or??(god forbid)
a your insurance will NOT cover anything if your over what your GVW is rated for
, based on what your vehicle registration says
I will GUESS< that there are FINES that can be imposed as well, if your ever checked and OVER the markings on your registration

NEXT when you RAISE your GVW, it then raises your GVW when towing
and BY law, when they do the math, they add up the trailer GVW and then truck

and if your over a certain(don't know exact number) you enter into a new world of needing different credentials on your lic to LEGALLY tow , even IF your under the weight
they base it on what the numbers are, even if you DON"T have that much LB"S on the trailer/truck

SO< just raising your GVW on your truck, isn't always a simple fix, and can get you into deeper water again
again don't have exact numbers just know there are LAW's and set limits

TON"S of folks break these all the time too, so I am NOT blind to this fact
then again millions use illegal drugs, and , well MOST of us I gather SPEED on a regular basis
doesn't mean its RIGHT

But I knew a guy MANY yrs back that was in a big car pile up on a HI way, NOT his fault at all, but was over his GVW and got screwed, NO insurance and ended up in a bunch of law suits he LOST
so that was all I was kind of saying
KNOW your numbers and take your risks as you feel willing to accept
IF anyone REALLY wants to find the laws
contact your local DOT dept, I am sure they can point you to them in hard copy is needed
I don't store law books anymore

Not trying to be disrespectful,, but this is HOGWASH, I have never seen a pickup truck ticketed for being over the manufacturers gvwr. I have never heard of a lawsuit for being over the gvwr. Insurance companies don't care what the vehicle weighs... I know, I called and asked them. Here in Nevada, a pickup truck is thought of like a car for registration purposes. The only time a pickup declares gvw is for commercial use.. I.e., the person slivers rvs or cars. Here in Nevada, we have trucks , which a pickup is not. We are talking, dump trucks, water trucks etc.. A gvw is not considered for pickups for personal use. Here in Nevada, if a person declares weight, they are only giving the state extra money.. My trucks gvw is 12300... I declared 5900.. I have asked the huway patrol and also a local sheriff.. The said the same thing. A pickup is considered a car,,, motorhome and Rv... They are all seen the same as cars...

 

[gsbrockman]

Nevada does not do this..

JHawes lives in Three Rivers, Ca though..........

 

[dfb]

You did say "landscapers" so they are using their pickup for business... Private use is like a car,,at least in Nevada...

 

[mrbb]

The forms were to raise the GVWR, not just the registered weight? What state?

Sounds easy, for you, the process is likely/possibly different in other states?

It's easy for me to raise my "declared" and registered weight in Nevada, but the GVWR sticker is another matter, which I've not studied.

sory for delay here, some how missed it

I am IN PA
and it was super easy to change things, my local AAA title shop did it all, all I had to do was get truck weights on a certified scale, have a local Inspection station verify vin and sign a paper stating all matched up
Paperwork then got sent to my state's DOT dept
and from there I get a registration with all the info on

took about 4 weeks to get it all done, , they move slow I guess
ONLY think my DOT did WRONG< was when my title came back to me they had my truck listed as a GASOLINE motor??
SO< it just got sent back 2 weeks ago
and got it RIGHT this past week now
so all's well here!
MY truck was weighted with a bed liner full tank of fuel, and a CAP on it and ME In it LOL

 

[dfb]

Right on John!! They don't give a rats tail on private pickemup trucks.. Now trucks, not pickups are a different story!!

 

[mrbb]

Not trying to be disrespectful,, but this is HOGWASH, I have never seen a pickup truck ticketed for being over the manufacturers gvwr. I have never heard of a lawsuit for being over the gvwr. Insurance companies don't care what the vehicle weighs... I know, I called and asked them. Here in Nevada, a pickup truck is thought of like a car for registration purposes. The only time a pickup declares gvw is for commercial use.. I.e., the person slivers rvs or cars. Here in Nevada, we have trucks , which a pickup is not. We are talking, dump trucks, water trucks etc.. A gvw is not considered for pickups for personal use. Here in Nevada, if a person declares weight, they are only giving the state extra money.. My trucks gvw is 12300... I declared 5900.. I have asked the huway patrol and also a local sheriff.. The said the same thing. A pickup is considered a car,,, motorhome and Rv... They are all seen the same as cars...

your state then has different rules than MINE
here TRUCKS, PICK UP TRUCKS< have different plates than cars do
and YES we also have rules about IF a vehicle is used for business or PRIVATE USAGE

if you think there is NO penalty for being in an accident when you are OVER your vehicles GVWR
then WHY is there even any numbers listed??

MY buddy whet thru a LOT for legal fee's and lawyers and a LONG drawn out deal
I will NOT pass on his name or info
but he would strongly disagree with you that this isn't true!

I will ALSO tell you this, A COP and Sheriff, are NOT UP to DATE on ALL laws
like it or NOT they are NOT
that is why there are judges and lawyers??
and the requirement to them is WAY different than what training a law enforcement officer goes thru
and I have MANY friends that are in law enforcement so I do NOT Mean this in any way to be disrespectful
its JUST a fact
I also under went what we have here in PA< that is called ACT 120 Police officer training
SO< MAYBE Ask a lawyer if you want a real answer to this issue's