2016 ccsb empty weight

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JHawes lives in Three Rivers, Ca though..........

I have to deliver a weight cert, a current SMOG cert to DMV since I bought my truck in Idaho and registering in Ca.

 

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sory for delay here, some how missed it

I am IN PA
and it was super easy to change things, my local AAA title shop did it all, all I had to do was get truck weights on a certified scale, have a local Inspection station verify vin and sign a paper stating all matched up
Paperwork then got sent to my state's DOT dept
and from there I get a registration with all the info on

So what did you change the GVWR from, to?

What measurment/number was the new GVWR based on? The GAWRs combined?

James

 

[mrbb]

For me, due to I was using same lic plate from old truck which was at 8800 lbs gwv, and this truck was already past that empty, I raised it to 10k for my plate registration , matching what the trucks max is door this took me from a class 3 to a class 4 In MY state of Pa.
It then cost me I think 26 bucks a yr more, forget exact price, but its a little more each yr

 

[dfb]

If someone can post links on private use pickups showing cops weighing, or laws, this would settle it. I have looked and I have found one lawyers website . He says, if a pickup rear ends you, you may be able to get a reward. Because the pickups could weigh more making the stopping distance greater. Well, if we rear end someone, we are at fault anyway!duh! I have searched even North Carolina.. Nothing on pickups.. It's trucks! Tractor trailers, dump trucks, water trucks,, . Ever notice on hi ways where it says," all trucks stop, NO PICKUPS?" Snoking is right!. Those declaring weight are only giving the dmv more money which I'm sure they are glad to accept. The GVWR ON OUR PICKUPS are for personal use only, unless they are used in business for commercial use.Since we tow, haul, put campers on, it is what the vehicle is rated to carry. Not for law enforcement. Even little cars have gvwr on them..
I have been checking also different state laws. CALIFORNIA says no Cdl for trailers over 10.000 lbs and 5th wheels over 15,000. As long as it is for private use. Now , if no Cdl is needed, why declare weights?
Insurance will not refuse to pay, however, if an accident is the rvrs fault, we can get sued anyway.. What else is new? This goes for cars too..
Nevada used to require an R or J Endorsement..but not now..
I have towed with a dodge Dakota, 95, 97, 2002 powerstrokes, 2004 dually Cummins . I have been pulled over to check for dyed fuel once. But never to weigh. I have never seen law enforcement weighing a car, station wagon, van, or a pickup truck.

 

[mrbb]

MY suggestion would be to contact a insurance lawyer and ask them what can happen being OVER loaded and then in an Accident

and NO I do NOT see local or state police doing random checking on what a pick up truck weights, and never said they did here/

what I said, is simply, you can over load your truck, speed and break ALL sorts of LAWS
and never get in trouble, TILL you get caught, and then , YOU WILL find out what the end results will be !

if there is again NO difference on what you rate youyr truck at, why is there even difference rates??
the rates are there as a RULE a WAY to measure things
for a reason
and MOST times, as again I am saying
IF you end up in a crash and they find you are WAY past your GVWR, you can be BLAMED

kinda like if your in a fender bender and one driver is DRUNK and other is sober
guess where they tend to place the blame?? LOL

I am NO expert
but I again know a person that got into trouble(BAD CRASH) and he was past his trucks GVWR
insurance lawyers went IMO overboard
but he LOST

again,we all I am sure break the rules at times,and 99% of the time on smaller things, we all get away with them
I know few folks that actually drive 25 in a POSTED 25 zone, and in MY area with a 65 mph speed limit on hwy's
I see FEW THAT Follow them speeds
75 is the NORM and many MUCH faster
I also see MANY drive right past state troopers sitting with radar guns out at 75 and the state trooper doesn't even flinch, never mind move!
does that mean he CANNOT< stop folks for going 10 mph over the speed limit??
NO
it means there is a GRAY area in LIFE In MOST things
that State trooper can write tickets any time the mood hits him, OR MOST likely, he waits for that one vehicle to go BY FAR EXCEEDING the speed limit
and that person GETS A TICKET, for doing so
he is NO different honestly than the rest of us going 10 over, but he gets the prize LOL

 

[dfb]

If someone can post links on private use pickups showing weighing, or laws, this would settle it. I have looked and I have found one lawyers website . He says, if a pickup rear ends you, you may be able to get a reward. Because the pickups could weigh more making the stopping distance greater. Well, if we rear end someone, we are at fault anyway!duh! I have searched even North Carolina.. Nothing on pickups.. It's trucks! Tractor trailers, dump trucks, water trucks,, . Ever notice on hi ways where it says," all trucks stop, NO PICKUPS?" Smoking is right!. Those declaring weight are only giving the dmv more money which I'm sure they are glad to accept. The GVWR ON OUR PICKUPS are for personal use only. Since we tow, haul, put campers on, it is what the vehicle is rated to carry. Not for law enforcement. Even little cars have gvwr on them..

 

[dfb]

MY suggestion would be to contact a insurance lawyer and ask them what can happen being OVER loaded and then in an Accident

and NO I do NOT see local or state police doing random checking on what a pick up truck weights, and never said they did here/

what I said, is simply, you can over load your truck, speed and break ALL sorts of LAWS
and never get in trouble, TILL you get caught, and then , YOU WILL find out what the end results will be !

if there is again NO difference on what you rate youyr truck at, why is there even difference rates??
the rates are there as a RULE a WAY to measure things
for a reason
and MOST times, as again I am saying
IF you end up in a crash and they find you are WAY past your GVWR, you can be BLAMED

kinda like if your in a fender bender and one driver is DRUNK and other is sober
guess where they tend to place the blame?? LOL

I am NO expert
but I again know a person that got into trouble(BAD CRASH) and he was past his trucks GVWR
insurance lawyers went IMO overboard
but he LOST

again,we all I am sure break the rules at times,and 99% of the time on smaller things, we all get away with them
I know few folks that actually drive 25 in a POSTED 25 zone, and in MY area with a 65 mph speed limit on hwy's
I see FEW THAT Follow them speeds
75 is the NORM and many MUCH faster
I also see MANY drive right past state troopers sitting with radar guns out at 75 and the state trooper doesn't even flinch, never mind move!
does that mean he CANNOT< stop folks for going 10 mph over the speed limit??
NO
it means there is a GRAY area in LIFE In MOST things
that State trooper can write tickets any time the mood hits him, OR MOST likely, he waits for that one vehicle to go BY FAR EXCEEDING the speed limit
and that person GETS A TICKET, for doing so
he is NO different honestly than the rest of us going 10 over, but he gets the prize LOL

If you check the registration sites, you declare for COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.. Like landscaping etc.. Not for personal use. The state wants a pi de of the action on all business. As far as your friend, if he were way over the vehicle intended use and he Is at fault, then yes, this can be brought into the suit. But let's say a tiny car meant for four people weighing 150 each. But the car is carrying 4 300 lb people and two in the trunk and is at fault in an accident. Will this be brought up in a law suit?, you bet..

Like I have said,, bring up links...I have looked but found nothing.

 

[mrbb]

If you check the registration sites, you declare for COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.. Like landscaping etc.. Not for personal use. The state wants a pi de of the action on all business. As far as your friend, if he were way over the vehicle intended use and he Is at fault, then yes, this can be brought into the suit. But let's say a tiny car meant for four people weighing 150 each. But the car is carrying 4 300 lb people and two in the trunk and is at fault in an accident. Will this be brought up in a law suit?, you bet..

Like I have said,, bring up links...I have looked but found nothing.

I agree every dept wants a piece of your INCOME these days
here in PA< LEGALLY< were supposed to have ins, registration and a LIC plate on our Atv's(unless strictly used on personal property)
yet with the states reg/lic plate and ins, we cannot drive them any where in teh state??
its like WTH??
all that pay every two yrs and gets you NOTHING back
BUT get caught driving some place
and they add more fines in ONE ticket for NOT having it that it costs for many yrs renewals ??
roll the dice or NOT is a personal choice

like Is aid, we all get away with things
BUT when we get Caught, they tend to TRY and stick as much on you as they can, PENDING The problem and who you ARE and WHOP you KNOW that is LOL
as who you know is a whole other can of worms on this stuff too LOL some folks get away with more than others because of WHO they know or ARE
the American way I guess LOL

 

[dfb]

Love Pennsylvania!

 

[mrbb]

it has its UP"S and DOWN's that for sure
some day I hope to end up in WY or MT, always enjoyed my time out that way, nicer scenery, and I think more level headed like rules!

 

[dfb]

I think it's best to stay within the law and play safe.

I remember my first tow with my 04.5 2500 after I hooked up our newly bought triple axle, 36' TH. I knew I was over loading my truck within the first 30 minutes. Sure, my truck pulling it, but that was about it. I felt that I was being steered; not me steering.

I was too cheap to buy a DRW truck so I converted my SRW 2500 to a DRW 2500. It made a NIGHT-n-DAY difference as far as handling goes, but I knew in the back of my mind that if an unfortunate accident we're to happen, I'd be held responsible.

Please give link to law....

 

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For me, due to I was using same lic plate from old truck which was at 8800 lbs gwv, and this truck was already past that empty, I raised it to 10k for my plate registration , matching what the trucks max is door this took me from a class 3 to a class 4 In MY state of Pa.
It then cost me I think 26 bucks a yr more, forget exact price, but its a little more each yr

Oh okay, but increasing your 'registered' GVWR is a very different thing from actually getting the truck's GVWR increased to a number above the door sticker/as delivered from the MFG. I thought that's what you had accomplished.

What you did is very easy for me to do here in Nevada as well.

 

[dfb]

I'm pretty familiar with noncommercial driving laws and vehicle codes in Nevada, and often there is more than one law that might apply to a particular situation... after just a few minutes of digging, I found this code, which is the first in this section. Pretty sure an LE officer could cite someone for being overweight using this law, and others. Is it likely, nope. Do I care enough to worry because I'm over GVWR for the truck but well under my GAWR with my popup camper on the back? Nope.

This is under COMMERCIAL, not private use.

 

[mrbb]

Oh okay, but increasing your 'registered' GVWR is a very different thing from actually getting the truck's GVWR increased to a number above the door sticker/as delivered from the MFG.

What you did is very easy for me to do here in Nevada as well.

yes I did NOT change the gvwr on the trucks spec's
just my plate more or less, I maxed it out to what the trucks gvwr is at
legally I could add even more to my plate, but I would then be wasting my $$ as truck wouldn't be up to anything over 10 k

so I didn't change the truck at all, just my plate, and was super simple , the few extra bucks a yr to have it to ME correct, isn't something I am sweating over
I am sure I coul;d have run it as is, with being UNDER what my truck weighs with JUST me and fuel in it(and cap)
and most likely never have an issue
but for 30 bucks or so a yr?? not a big deal to me to have it Right! but that's me I guess

we all have our things we go to the gray area over, we all have short cuts we play with right?? LOL

 

[AH64ID]

I changed my door sticker. It cost me a tiny bit of ink, a piece of paper, and a little tape....

I used my knowledge of the frame/suspension/brake/steering/axles/wheels/tires to justify my increase in ratings.

I have upgraded my front axle with larger and stronger ball joints (used on up 5,500 FAWR axles) and wheel bearings (used on E-450 DRW rear axles as well as HD D60 fronts).

I have upgraded my rear suspension with supplemental airbags and an anti-sway bar.

When heavily loaded I run 19.5's with the ability to run 9K per axle. My FAWR is not 9K but my RAWR is. I did up the FAWR but generally try to keep it around 5,200 but without a trailer and a full cab of people it's often 5,200-5,300 so it went up to avoid any issues. My state, Idaho, does NOT have any laws about axle weight ratings (unless it's a TAG axle); however, I figure if I am weighed it will alleviate any unnecessary conversations.

Title 49 CFR 567.7 explains what is required to modify a vehicle. Just google it. Despite what many people believe there is no certification required to modify a GVWR/FAWR/RAWR/etc..

I love the expression when someone says, it has been explained before.. As if I were there and heard it! Obviously if someone asks they did not here it, or read it.. As I have said before..

It was explained to YOU, in response to YOUR questions. If you didn't see it or read it then there is only ONE person to blame.

 

[mrbb]

I changed my door sticker. It cost me a tiny bit of ink, a piece of paper, and a little tape....

I used my knowledge of the frame/suspension/brake/steering/axles/wheels/tires to justify my increase in ratings.

I have upgraded my front axle with larger and stronger ball joints (used on up 5,500 FAWR axles) and wheel bearings (used on E-450 DRW rear axles as well as HD D60 fronts).

I have upgraded my rear suspension with supplemental airbags and an anti-sway bar.

When heavily loaded I run 19.5's with the ability to run 9K per axle. My FAWR is not 9K but my RAWR is. I did up the FAWR but generally try to keep it around 5,200 but without a trailer and a full cab of people it's often 5,200-5,300 so it went up to avoid any issues. My state, Idaho, does NOT have any laws about axle weight ratings (unless it's a TAG axle); however, I figure if I am weighed it will alleviate any unnecessary conversations.

Title 49 CFR 567.7 explains what is required to modify a vehicle. Just google it. Despite what many people believe there is no certification required to modify a GVWR/FAWR/RAWR/etc.. "QUOTE}


HAVE TO ASK< but if you upgrade all the axles and suspension parts, and then GO heavy, ain't your brakes being taxed, as I don't think they were designed to stop a lot of extra LBS
not picking a argument, just honestly asking??
did you modify your brakes at all too??

 

[AH64ID]

HAVE TO ASK< but if you upgrade all the axles and suspension parts, and then GO heavy, ain't your brakes being taxed, as I don't think they were designed to stop a lot of extra LBS
not picking a argument, just honestly asking??
did you modify your brakes at all too??

My brakes are stock, bone stock actually.

I am not concerned in the least about the brakes. The brakes are the same as the DRW and the DRW has a RAWR of 9,350 which is more than I can carry with my 19.5's.

There are two trains of thought on OEM brake ratings. Are brakes rated for GVWR or FAWR/RAWR? There are good arguments for both, but in the end I, now, think that it's based on at least the axle weight ratings. That means I have plenty of brake for the added weight. The rear brakes are then rated for at least 9,350 lbs and the front's are bigger... so basically I am good. Even if brakes are based on GVWR I am good because they are the same as on a 12,200 GVWR DRW.. but I don't think they are rated that low.

 

[mrbb]

OK, sounds like you have put thought into this,as like I said I wasn't trying to bash at all here, was honestly asking cause I was wondering!

I do know, that on my last truck, I switched to drilled and slotted rotors and MAN a very noticeable difference in stopping distance and feel.
so, just food for thought Prior to this I had Hawk pads and rotors non drilled and slotted over OEM and didn't notice any difference! other than I got less life out of both than my OEM's did??

 

[AH64ID]

All good!

I have read mixed opinions on slotted and vented rotors, but in the end I like OEM for the ABS reasons. Different pads and rotors have different frictions which effect the ABS and I want it to work as advertised.

 

[mrbb]

I never had any issue's with any difference with the anti lock brakes, but I never had a super heavy load on or behind me when I had them on
I personally HATE anti lock brakes in winter time here, WAY too many times I can roll into a stop sign going 5-10 mph and with snow on the ground , roil, right thru an intersection due to they DON"T stop me, or worse when traveling down a steep snow covered hill off road(I hunt a lot)
and them things just click and rattle
never locking up a wheel and free rolling me into near crashes
I wish there was a override option or at least when in 4x4

as pretty hard to explain to a cop how you were going slow and NO skid marks and yet still went thru a stop sign, at least skid marks showed you tried LOL

and I have a ton of crash free yrs of driving on winter time and off road, just anti lock brake I hate in snow and ice, rather have a wheel locked up than free rolling down a steep hill LOL