Check out wanderson's post on 1-28-03 at https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65507. There may be hope for an off the shelf fluid yet.
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5600 lube (What do you run?)
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Thats right, I forgot Gary, you picked another Amsoil lube that wasn't recommended either.
One thread you are picking your own lubes against everybodys recommendations, the next, you are going by what the factory calls for to a T, dot the i.
I can't keep up, man!
I wouldn't sell it if people were getting bad results.
One thread you are picking your own lubes against everybodys recommendations, the next, you are going by what the factory calls for to a T, dot the i.
I can't keep up, man!
I wouldn't sell it if people were getting bad results.
Bottom line on Amsoil 5W-30 HDD in the NV-5600:
There are quite a number of people using this oil with a great deal of success in this transmission. That makes it a proven, smooth shifting alternative to the difficult to obtain OEM lube. Feel free to use the lube of your choice, but to claim that this oil will not work in this application is simply incorrect.
There are quite a number of people using this oil with a great deal of success in this transmission. That makes it a proven, smooth shifting alternative to the difficult to obtain OEM lube. Feel free to use the lube of your choice, but to claim that this oil will not work in this application is simply incorrect.
amsoilman
Staff Alumni
Lets see here. The question was: "5600 lube, what do you run?"
I run the Amsoil 5W-30 in my 03' with a NV-5600 transmission. Put it in with less than 1,000 miles on it. I now have 6,000 miles, and the transmission shifts very nicely, and has done every since I installed it. Now I realize this is not very many miles, but I have seen an NV-5600 transmission that has used this stuff for over a hundred thousands miles, and it is still going strong.
And as GaryQ said, Amsoil Inc. does not put on the label that this oil meets the DC specs. But then if they did put on all the specs this oil did meet, there would be no room on the label for their name.
This stuff does meet the DC specs no matter if the spec is not on the label. I don't think they would recommend it for the NV-5600 if it would be detrimental for the aplication. Afterall, they have a 30 year old Company to protect.
Wayne
amsoilman
I run the Amsoil 5W-30 in my 03' with a NV-5600 transmission. Put it in with less than 1,000 miles on it. I now have 6,000 miles, and the transmission shifts very nicely, and has done every since I installed it. Now I realize this is not very many miles, but I have seen an NV-5600 transmission that has used this stuff for over a hundred thousands miles, and it is still going strong.
And as GaryQ said, Amsoil Inc. does not put on the label that this oil meets the DC specs. But then if they did put on all the specs this oil did meet, there would be no room on the label for their name.
This stuff does meet the DC specs no matter if the spec is not on the label. I don't think they would recommend it for the NV-5600 if it would be detrimental for the aplication. Afterall, they have a 30 year old Company to protect.
Wayne
amsoilman
Dont forget this, any oil other than OEM will void the warranty.
On the plus side for the MTX, my Dakota (NV-3500) used it for 192,000 miles and shifted perfectly the day I sold it. I changed it yearly and bought the oil from the dealer.
The MTX does not seem to work as well in the 5600. I am very pleased with the Royal Purple Synchromax hot and cold and I have noticed a drop in operating temperature.
Disclaimer: I dont profit if you buy the oil I suggest, beware of those who do, they *may* not be unbiased but good salesmen.
Note: I am not accusing anyone here of doing that. My neighbor sells Amway (pyramid sales) and according to him EVERYTHING Amway sells is 500% better than anything else, of course he has only Amway supplied data to back up that claim. Is Amway that much better? Probably not. Is my neighbor a bad person? No, he just has a vested interest in promoting his product.
On the plus side for the MTX, my Dakota (NV-3500) used it for 192,000 miles and shifted perfectly the day I sold it. I changed it yearly and bought the oil from the dealer.
The MTX does not seem to work as well in the 5600. I am very pleased with the Royal Purple Synchromax hot and cold and I have noticed a drop in operating temperature.
Disclaimer: I dont profit if you buy the oil I suggest, beware of those who do, they *may* not be unbiased but good salesmen.
Note: I am not accusing anyone here of doing that. My neighbor sells Amway (pyramid sales) and according to him EVERYTHING Amway sells is 500% better than anything else, of course he has only Amway supplied data to back up that claim. Is Amway that much better? Probably not. Is my neighbor a bad person? No, he just has a vested interest in promoting his product.
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That is incorrect.
I'm using the OEM lube
My owners manual says its a life time fill. I guess that means it never needs to be changed. At least not under warranty 
I figure I will change it anyway at around 50K miles and go with the OEM lube, unless several members have experence that they have used another lube for several hundred thousand miles with no problem. These 6 speeds cost to much to be messing with different types of lube oil so I can save a couple of $$. Bad choices in lubrication can take several thousand miles to show up.
Wayne (one of my favorite folks on this board!) sez:
"This stuff does meet the DC specs no matter if the spec is not on the label. "
Wayne, with all due respect, PROVE IT!
Otherwise, what you claim is nothing more than all the REST of us are posting - a personal OPINION!
Post exactly WHERE Amsoil in any way, shape or form states clearly and without evasion that the 5/30 MOTOR oil they suggest for use in the NV-5600 "meets or exceeds" the DC/NV MS-9224 spec, and THIS discussion is OVER! 
You can say Amsoil is great, and I'll agree - I think it's basically good stuff... You can say it has worked well for you in your specific application - no argument there either - but *I* have a problem with folks making statements and claims about Amsoil, or ANY lube, not backed with documentation, independent testing, or certification that backs up those claims!
I'm not talking about various "recommendations" as to "equivelence", or a "good substitute" - but that it is plainly and clearly stated BY AMSOIL that it FULLY meets ALL MS-9224 requirements, PERIOD! We've been down THIS road before too, and those of us who have, know there is NO SUCH claim made by Amsoil - all they say is that they "suggest" it as a acceptable substitute, or words to that effect!
I've been to the Amsoil website, seen their "recommendation" regarding use of the 5/30 motor oil and READ the full list they provide as to the specs met by that 5/30 motor oil and MS-9224 *is NOT on that list!* PERIOD! And they have all the room they want on that website so "lack of space" is hardly the reason they didn't include it...
I have no doubt there are a NUMBER of substitute NV-5600 lubes that meet MANY or MOST of the specs - and would provide the average user with all the protection he really would ever need - but SPECIFIED lubes are selected because they are refined to cover a WIDE range of requirements specif to that particular transmission - some that many owners MIGHT never need - but can any of us be absolutely certain OUR use won't need one of those requirements NOT met by what is merely a "good substitute"?
Lubes must provide proper lubricity, heat tolerance, proper friction capabilities for syncros, anti-oxidants, resistance to moisture contamination, viscosity stability, anti-shear capability - and on and on and ON!
A "good substitute" might actually EXCEED *some* of those individual capabilities - but be rather poor in a few others... Problem is, a specific user has no real way of knowing for sure exactly WHICH of those specs ISN'T properly covered - or how he specifically will be affected - THAT is why the spec is there, and important, so the buyer KNOWS, or can reasonably expect that ALL the neccessary aspects of what HE will demand from that transmission and lube WILL be met, no doubt about it!
The Amsoil 5/30 might well meet or exceed 9 out of 10 of the individual MS-9224 DC/NV specs - but what if one of the 10% *missed* just happens to be the one *I* need most in MY application at some point?
You say the Amsoil 5/30 motor oil is good to use in the NV-5600 - and in most cases, for many users, I'm sure you're absolutely right - but since the Amsoil sells for the same price as the DC stuff that I *know* is strongly recommended, FULLY MEETS spec - and ALSO has been successfully used by many tens of thousands of users, without failure or the slightest risk of any kind, WHY would I want to use a "substitute" - what's the point? What's the proven benefit?
And yeah, past experience has ALSO shown that from this point on, these discussions, like politics and religion, usually turn personal and ugly, so I'm done...
"This stuff does meet the DC specs no matter if the spec is not on the label. "
Wayne, with all due respect, PROVE IT!
Otherwise, what you claim is nothing more than all the REST of us are posting - a personal OPINION!
Post exactly WHERE Amsoil in any way, shape or form states clearly and without evasion that the 5/30 MOTOR oil they suggest for use in the NV-5600 "meets or exceeds" the DC/NV MS-9224 spec, and THIS discussion is OVER!
You can say Amsoil is great, and I'll agree - I think it's basically good stuff... You can say it has worked well for you in your specific application - no argument there either - but *I* have a problem with folks making statements and claims about Amsoil, or ANY lube, not backed with documentation, independent testing, or certification that backs up those claims!
I'm not talking about various "recommendations" as to "equivelence", or a "good substitute" - but that it is plainly and clearly stated BY AMSOIL that it FULLY meets ALL MS-9224 requirements, PERIOD! We've been down THIS road before too, and those of us who have, know there is NO SUCH claim made by Amsoil - all they say is that they "suggest" it as a acceptable substitute, or words to that effect!
I've been to the Amsoil website, seen their "recommendation" regarding use of the 5/30 motor oil and READ the full list they provide as to the specs met by that 5/30 motor oil and MS-9224 *is NOT on that list!* PERIOD! And they have all the room they want on that website so "lack of space" is hardly the reason they didn't include it...
I have no doubt there are a NUMBER of substitute NV-5600 lubes that meet MANY or MOST of the specs - and would provide the average user with all the protection he really would ever need - but SPECIFIED lubes are selected because they are refined to cover a WIDE range of requirements specif to that particular transmission - some that many owners MIGHT never need - but can any of us be absolutely certain OUR use won't need one of those requirements NOT met by what is merely a "good substitute"?
Lubes must provide proper lubricity, heat tolerance, proper friction capabilities for syncros, anti-oxidants, resistance to moisture contamination, viscosity stability, anti-shear capability - and on and on and ON!
A "good substitute" might actually EXCEED *some* of those individual capabilities - but be rather poor in a few others... Problem is, a specific user has no real way of knowing for sure exactly WHICH of those specs ISN'T properly covered - or how he specifically will be affected - THAT is why the spec is there, and important, so the buyer KNOWS, or can reasonably expect that ALL the neccessary aspects of what HE will demand from that transmission and lube WILL be met, no doubt about it!
The Amsoil 5/30 might well meet or exceed 9 out of 10 of the individual MS-9224 DC/NV specs - but what if one of the 10% *missed* just happens to be the one *I* need most in MY application at some point?
You say the Amsoil 5/30 motor oil is good to use in the NV-5600 - and in most cases, for many users, I'm sure you're absolutely right - but since the Amsoil sells for the same price as the DC stuff that I *know* is strongly recommended, FULLY MEETS spec - and ALSO has been successfully used by many tens of thousands of users, without failure or the slightest risk of any kind, WHY would I want to use a "substitute" - what's the point? What's the proven benefit?
And yeah, past experience has ALSO shown that from this point on, these discussions, like politics and religion, usually turn personal and ugly, so I'm done...
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oem stuff likely trash
all I know is at 80 mph (sustained) the OEM stuff I had in my 6 sp was heating up to scary levels (220, 230, and higher. It could be my temp sending unit, or my guage, but the difference between 75 and 80 was 30 to 40 deg. When I drained it out, it was not burned, and the correct amount came out, but I am scared enough that I would definitely not put the OEM stuff back in my 6 sp.
Just because dodge blesses some substance is not enough for me to use it, I've seen enough screwed up dodge parts on my truck. So what if DC gives it's blessing, I for one do not trust DC. Dodge is the weak link in my setup
all I know is at 80 mph (sustained) the OEM stuff I had in my 6 sp was heating up to scary levels (220, 230, and higher. It could be my temp sending unit, or my guage, but the difference between 75 and 80 was 30 to 40 deg. When I drained it out, it was not burned, and the correct amount came out, but I am scared enough that I would definitely not put the OEM stuff back in my 6 sp.
Just because dodge blesses some substance is not enough for me to use it, I've seen enough screwed up dodge parts on my truck. So what if DC gives it's blessing, I for one do not trust DC. Dodge is the weak link in my setup
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Why do all oil questions end up here?
A person asks an oil question,
some answer, then a person (actually a $50 oil expert) starts making wild claims that Amsoil is the answer to any and every problem. Amsoil makes a oil for everything, "But then if they did put on all the specs this oil did meet, there would be no room on the label for their name. " type of stuff. Amsoil meets every possible spex AND IF IT DOESNT THEN THE AMSOIL IS TOO GOOD TO LOWER ITSELF TO MEET THE SPEC. Then you get all kinds of otherwise good TDR members get all upset because how dare anyone question Amsoil's claims?????? Shame on you!! Believe EVERY claim that amsoil makes even if Amsoil is the ONLY one supplying the data.
Then many are mad at each other over OPINIONS on differnt types of oil.
Any mispelled words are purely intentional.
A person asks an oil question,
some answer, then a person (actually a $50 oil expert) starts making wild claims that Amsoil is the answer to any and every problem. Amsoil makes a oil for everything, "But then if they did put on all the specs this oil did meet, there would be no room on the label for their name. " type of stuff. Amsoil meets every possible spex AND IF IT DOESNT THEN THE AMSOIL IS TOO GOOD TO LOWER ITSELF TO MEET THE SPEC. Then you get all kinds of otherwise good TDR members get all upset because how dare anyone question Amsoil's claims?????? Shame on you!! Believe EVERY claim that amsoil makes even if Amsoil is the ONLY one supplying the data.
Then many are mad at each other over OPINIONS on differnt types of oil.
Any mispelled words are purely intentional.
That was the original question.
A few guys followed with what they used, and then a few guys came out and dis agreed with what they were using, and then posted misinformation.
Why must the non Amsoil users bash it so? And then take every cheap shot they can,
The following sentance, is ENTIRELY INCORRECT.
"Amsoil makes an oil for everything, Amsoil meets every possible spex AND IF IT DOESNT THEN THE AMSOIL IS TOO GOOD TO LOWER ITSELF TO MEET THE SPEC""
No Amsoil dealer has ever posted anything of the kind on this site.
That is a direct bash, trying to cause trouble.
Another Oil Thread ... sigh
And my day was going so well otherwise. Keep posting facts, and this will be a productive, helpful thread. But, it looks like we're heading really close to yet another oil manufacturer bashing (you know, the one that goes mine is bigger than yours).
Please keep this on topic, and keep the personal quips and zingers offline.
Note, I should have posted this earlier, but I've been out of pocket today.
Thanks in advance.
Robin
TDR Admin
And my day was going so well otherwise. Keep posting facts, and this will be a productive, helpful thread. But, it looks like we're heading really close to yet another oil manufacturer bashing (you know, the one that goes mine is bigger than yours).
Please keep this on topic, and keep the personal quips and zingers offline.
Note, I should have posted this earlier, but I've been out of pocket today.
Thanks in advance.
Robin
TDR Admin
sledpuller,
I disagree with you that my statement is to you is "entirely incorrect" but out of repsect for Admins post requesting a halt to hostilities I am refraining from posting more here, PM me if you want examples of what I was referring to. Thanks.
I disagree with you that my statement is to you is "entirely incorrect" but out of repsect for Admins post requesting a halt to hostilities I am refraining from posting more here, PM me if you want examples of what I was referring to. Thanks.
Geez!
Come on... . we all know the OEM transmission oil in the 5600 is NOT the best stuff to use! If the transmission fails and it does not have the DC Specified oil..... you are eating the replacement cost PERIOD!
Use whatever oil you want, just start chanting the BOMBers mantra.
"I am my own warantee station"
and leave it alone!
BTW..... like I said before I use RedLine MTL... and it works!
and yes, I am my own warantee station!
you think you people had an auto transmission
Geesh
Come on... . we all know the OEM transmission oil in the 5600 is NOT the best stuff to use! If the transmission fails and it does not have the DC Specified oil..... you are eating the replacement cost PERIOD!
Use whatever oil you want, just start chanting the BOMBers mantra.
"I am my own warantee station"
and leave it alone!
BTW..... like I said before I use RedLine MTL... and it works!
and yes, I am my own warantee station!
you think you people had an auto transmission
Geesh
Here we go again. This is my first post on an oil thread because of it. :-{} I am currently using Amsoil Series 3000 5w30 HDD in my 6 speed put in at 10,000 and just short of 50,000. Seems a little notchy. Don't yell at me it is just what is happening. Gosh I worry about saying anyting in oil, weight, etc. threads any more. 
Gosh I worry about saying anyting in oil, weight, etc. threads any more.
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Right Oil???
There is no question in my mind the right oil for this application is the one you want to use.
I am currently using Redline MTL with an additive of Prolong. Unless someone is willing to give me "free" samples of other oils, or antifriction modifiers I will stick with this combination for now. . I now have 5000 trouble free miles with this combination, and it has taken away my sticking, hard engagement problems I have struggled with for 50,000 miles. I would like again to thank Peter of Southbend Clutches, for sugguesting I try this combination. I am sure there are other oils or combinations that may do the same thing. One thing, for sure is the OEM oil didn't cut it...
As far as warranty goes I have never heard of anyone being denied transmission warranty work because of other then OEM oil, or engine work because of OEM engine oil. Transmission repair, engine repair is usually the result of, poor maintaintence, lack of proper fluid levels, and abuse, not type of oil.
"Ok" go for it !!!!
Steve
There is no question in my mind the right oil for this application is the one you want to use.
I am currently using Redline MTL with an additive of Prolong. Unless someone is willing to give me "free" samples of other oils, or antifriction modifiers I will stick with this combination for now. . I now have 5000 trouble free miles with this combination, and it has taken away my sticking, hard engagement problems I have struggled with for 50,000 miles. I would like again to thank Peter of Southbend Clutches, for sugguesting I try this combination. I am sure there are other oils or combinations that may do the same thing. One thing, for sure is the OEM oil didn't cut it...
As far as warranty goes I have never heard of anyone being denied transmission warranty work because of other then OEM oil, or engine work because of OEM engine oil. Transmission repair, engine repair is usually the result of, poor maintaintence, lack of proper fluid levels, and abuse, not type of oil.
"Ok" go for it !!!!
Steve
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Texaco 1874 MTX
jtisdale,
I purchased a 5 gallon pail of the Texaco 1874 MTX for $68 from a wholesaler (Allied Petroleum - Reno,NV). I replaced the transmission fluid at 60K miles and have never had any shifting problems before or after. At 60K Miles the oil looked as good as the stuff I replaced it with. Couldn't see are reason to experiment with other types of lubricants.
Good Luck,
Frank
jtisdale,
I purchased a 5 gallon pail of the Texaco 1874 MTX for $68 from a wholesaler (Allied Petroleum - Reno,NV). I replaced the transmission fluid at 60K miles and have never had any shifting problems before or after. At 60K Miles the oil looked as good as the stuff I replaced it with. Couldn't see are reason to experiment with other types of lubricants.
Good Luck,
Frank
Chief USA
TDR MEMBER
There is a similar discussion on the SETDR. I did some extensive research and here is the link to what the manufacturers said.
http://www.setdr.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=171
I am going to stick with what New Venture and DC says is the specified llube.
http://www.setdr.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=171
I am going to stick with what New Venture and DC says is the specified llube.
That is an excellent link, thanks for posting it. I especially liked the comments by: €hieƒ
They seem like a very rational group. Of special interest was that extended warranties arent affected by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act :--)
They seem like a very rational group. Of special interest was that extended warranties arent affected by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act :--)
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