6.0 Powerstroke vs. 5.9 Cummins

[kcook]

WOW!

For what it's worth, I had the chance to see all the new 2003 diesels on the DINO a few weeks ago at Dino-mite-diesel in monroe WA, a few weeks ago and what a eye opener. the Ford put out 230/380 at the rear wheels, the Dodge HO 245/480 at the rear wheels. those are the facts!:--) :--) :--)

 

[CATCRACKER]

here goes i hope no one gets their feelings hurt. (WHEN I SAY "YOU" I AM NOT ATTCKING ANYONE PERSONALLY) the cummins is a better motor no one will debate me on that... ..... see it is a fact. if we were competeting against a mercedes diesel,detroit diesel or cat diesel it might be another story. then all of these motors might be on level playing ground. go and buy the powerchoke just b/c it is fast in the stock form but just know that you did not get the best motor for the money. i test drove an 03 ctd standard output auto it is like a slug however it will be a slug alot longer than the powerstroke will be a rocket. and after a few mods it is going to smoke you in your powerstroke 6. 0. and it will not cost me very much $. now while you are trying to catch up to me in is this unproven 6. 0 and go backrupt trying to do so i will be getting 22mpg smiling all the way. sorry to be so abrupt but you are on a dodge website and the things i have said can be backed up facts. the new dodge gen bodies are now catching up to the quality of these ctd motors. i will ask one more thing, do you think the germans are going to be mechanically out engineered? well it has not happend in 150 years. these dodge trucks are reiBenden astatz finden. bis bald! a little german for you. :-laf

 

[Badunit]

No feelings hurt here. Maybe the '03 is a slug but it depends on what it's compared to. There've been a few comments here like "the '03 is a slug compared to my '96" (pick a year, I made this quote up). Then, later in the post, or in the person's signature, you find out their '96 is bombed and making quite a few more horses than it did stock. With comparisons like that, of course the '03 feels like a slug.



Nonetheless, I am still a little disappointed by the Ram's performance Pickuptruck.com test. I wouldn't call it a slug compared to the other two but it definitely wasn't the fastest.

 

[CATCRACKER]

all i can say that the (so w/ auto) felt alot slower than my 99 with just an ez this was using the s. o. p meter. the ho may be d/f.

 

[Prairie Dog]

The last PSD I drove couldn't get out of its own way (2002 model year), I know mine will outrun them - I've seen it first hand!

 

[Jeremiah]

Originally posted by CATCRACKER

here goes i hope no one gets their feelings hurt. (WHEN I SAY "YOU" I AM NOT ATTCKING ANYONE PERSONALLY) the cummins is a better motor no one will debate me on that... ..... see it is a fact. if we were competeting against a mercedes diesel,detroit diesel or cat diesel it might be another story. then all of these motors might be on level playing ground. go and buy the powerchoke just b/c it is fast in the stock form but just know that you did not get the best motor for the money. i test drove an 03 ctd standard output auto it is like a slug however it will be a slug alot longer than the powerstroke will be a rocket. and after a few mods it is going to smoke you in your powerstroke 6. 0. and it will not cost me very much $. now while you are trying to catch up to me in is this unproven 6. 0 and go backrupt trying to do so i will be getting 22mpg smiling all the way. sorry to be so abrupt but you are on a dodge website and the things i have said can be backed up facts. the new dodge gen bodies are now catching up to the quality of these ctd motors. i will ask one more thing, do you think the germans are going to be mechanically out engineered? well it has not happend in 150 years. these dodge trucks are reiBenden astatz finden. bis bald! a little german for you. :-laf

Catcracker, you better look at that message you are replying to again. The writer was saying the Cummins outperformed the Ford at the rear wheels. In addition, you might consider calling the Cummins and PowerStrokes engines and not motors. Motors are run by electricity .

 

[737driver]

Just got done taking a 6. 0 PSD for an extensive test drive. I canceled my order for a new F350 6. 0 when I got back!!! I have owned 3 powerstrokes, the current one with a full banks kit none of them have the low end grunt of the Cummins.



I have placed my order for a Ram 3500 HO dually Laramie 4WD QC. The only square I have not checked yet is for the transmission. The new automatic is now available for the HO. Any thoughts on the new transmission?



Soon to be ex PSD owner looking forward to not having to add FW15 to the engine coolant!

 

[D808]

WELCOME ABOARD!!!!!!!



Give the 6-speed manual transmission a try. With the 3. 73 to 1 gearing, all the shifts seem perfect!



Federal Man

 

[Jeremiah]

Originally posted by 737driver

Just got done taking a 6. 0 PSD for an extensive test drive. I canceled my order for a new F350 6. 0 when I got back!!! I have owned 3 powerstrokes, the current one with a full banks kit none of them have the low end grunt of the Cummins.



I have placed my order for a Ram 3500 HO dually Laramie 4WD QC. The only square I have not checked yet is for the transmission. The new automatic is now available for the HO. Any thoughts on the new transmission?



Soon to be ex PSD owner looking forward to not having to add FW15 to the engine coolant!

I drove both the auto and the 6-spd, just so I could say I was honest. If you have a wife, consider the auto so there will be peace in the family. If you have a wife and she likes to shift (and assuming you do too!) by all means get the 6-speed. The auto costs more, makes more noise at low speeds and doesn't give you the control that direct gearing does. Yeah, the dealer will tell you that the auto makes all your decisions for you, and perhaps it does. But I like making my own decisions, even when they are wrong (like down-shifting to the wrong lower gear and seeing the RPMs zoom up past the redline (gasp!). Get a manual and live happily ever after!

 

[jimnance]

My '99 with the Edge EZ without question feels much stronger and is quicker than my stock '03. However, my '99 is an auto and the '03 is a stick.



For a drag race my '99 is quicker, but pulling the big fiver the '03 shows it stuff. Up the big grade nearby my '99 was maxed at 43 MPH, the '03 maxed at 55 MPH.



Depends on what you are doing, but I really like my '03 for towing. Goes like heck on the flats, and does well in the hills.



With that said, I'm perhaps a couple of MPH faster than my buddy with a DuraMax at comparable weights. However, my other buddy with a 7. 3 PSD, 6 sp transmission and chip can pull the hill at 65. He can't stay there because of EGT's getting too high.



I'm happy When I chip the '03 I'll smoke 'em both.

 

[CATCRACKER]

jeremiah not saying this in a mean way but what are you talking about :confused straight from the dicitonary old boy, motor NOUN: 1. Something, such as a machine or an engine, that produces or imparts motion.

2. A device that converts any form of energy into mechanical energy, especially an internal-combustion engine:-laf or an arrangement of coils and magnets that converts electric current into mechanical power.

3. A motor vehicle, especially an automobile:



as the boy would say on the hemi dodge commercial... SWEEET



engine, motor call it what you may because an engine is a motor and vise versa do not get upset the 03 ctd,SO,auto is a slug so is the powerstroke. but i hope to be buying (03 ctd) one anyway but the eth/dee version. dont worry it will not be a slug as soon as my boys at ez hook me up. see 4 years of engineering did not good for nothing. bye the way i dont proof read these posts and i don't spell check them.

 

[Prairie Dog]

Originally posted by CATCRACKER

bye the way i dont proof read these posts and i don't spell check them. [/B]

You must be in management!

 

[WadePatton]

Okay fellas now for me to chime in.



I personally avoid buying "new technology", whether it's a 48RE or a 6. 0 or a Common Rail Cummins.



EVERY company rushes new technology to the market in order to start recouping R&D costs. The customer always winds up doing the long-term testing. The company -try as it might- cannot develop new stuff 100% before it goes to market.



The SALES dept. job is to convince you that it is PERFECT at the time of production.



Always consider this when looking at the "NEWEST, FASTEST, STRONGEST, BESTEST" GIZZMO for sale.

 

[Jeremiah]

Originally posted by CATCRACKER

jeremiah not saying this in a mean way but what are you talking about :confused straight from the dicitonary old boy, motor NOUN: 1. Something, such as a machine or an engine, that produces or imparts motion.

2. A device that converts any form of energy into mechanical energy, especially an internal-combustion engine:-laf or an arrangement of coils and magnets that converts electric current into mechanical power.

3. A motor vehicle, especially an automobile:



as the boy would say on the hemi dodge commercial... SWEEET



engine, motor call it what you may because an engine is a motor and vise versa do not get upset the 03 ctd,SO,auto is a slug so is the powerstroke. but i hope to be buying (03 ctd) one anyway but the eth/dee version. dont worry it will not be a slug as soon as my boys at ez hook me up. see 4 years of engineering did not good for nothing. bye the way i dont proof read these posts and i don't spell check them.

Naw, I didn't intend it to be a mean comment either. I was just having a little fun by looking at what you said from an engineer's perspective. As in, fill in the blanks: An internal combusion __________. An electric _________.



But be aware that dictionaries define terms according to current and ancient usage. That's why internal combusion engines are defined as "motors. "

 

[CATCRACKER]

J,

nice spin job. i have not read your bio but you could be a politician. were you in the debate class in highschool? i bet you were captain. this is fun. hehehe oh bye the way i am in mgmt and sales where i deal with a lot of politicians. this is all in good fun right this is i cannot tell since i can see you facial expressions well here are mine

 

[CharlieMiller]

Just my 2 cents - I have to agree with Wade - we are the guinea pigs for all of the big 3. I never buy first year either. I say buy what is best for you whatever the brand may be. Just research it and find out all you can about it and then live with it. They all have there quirks whether it be Ford, Dodge or Chevy. We know what the Dodges are and we seem to share that info honestly with others. Some of the other site swear there is the best and they have no problems. But let get real - we all know better and so does the tooth fairy. Before I laid down my hard earned money for my Dodge CTD - I did my own research. There were some that I wouldn't even consider - Ford for one. I have had 2 previous Ford's and have had nothing but problems. They spent more time in the shop than out. In my F350 I had a transmission problem almost from the get go. Ford knew about it but didn't know what they were going to do to fix it. I finally got so fed up with them I WILL NEVER buy another Ford. As a matter of fact I wouldn't take one if it was offered to me for free other than to sell it as soon as I got it. My last truck was a Chevy gasser. I have to admit it was one fantastic truck - like a rock. It never let me down. Other than doing normal regular maint. I did nothing. I looked at the Duramax but with a 6 sp. manual. I drove the truck and I really did like the way it drove. I didn't like the interior and the way it was set up. It seemed to look very cheap also. I didn't like the way Chevy made the dually bed where the bedrails would be. This is where the plastic outside and steel bed meet. The plastc cover was cheap and stuck up a few I had seen on the dealer lots. The clips didn't seem to hold it in very well. I also wasn't sold on the Duramax because of GM's past record with diesels. I looked at the Dodge drove it as did my other half and we both knew this was the truck for us. I also did my home lurking on the TDR and other diesel websites taking things in. It has been a year now since I brought the Cummins home and I love the same as the day I brought it home. I know what the bad points are and will deal with them if and when I cross that bridge. The Cummins has been easy to work on and I know I have some things I need to add - guages for fuel,pyro and boost. Will I have any problems in the future I don't know but it has started out to be a great love affair. I say do some research and buy whats best for but know what you are getting into because as far as any of the Big 3 are concerned "ITS BUYER BEWARE"

Are we biased ? Probably or most of us wouldn't be drving a Dodge CTD. But so are the other guys

 

[Jeremiah]

Originally posted by CATCRACKER

J,

nice spin job. i have not read your bio but you could be a politician. were you in the debate class in highschool? i bet you were captain. this is fun. hehehe oh bye the way i am in mgmt and sales where i deal with a lot of politicians. this is all in good fun right this is i cannot tell since i can see you facial expressions well here are mine

Nope, no politician, although my wife is an elected official in our county. However, I am a retired journalist and use logic and correct nomenclature to make my points.

 

[Frmrdug]

'03 vs 96

Well sure, to reply to an earlier post - my enhanced 96 runs very well. But when it was stock, it had better top end than my '03 does now!



That's a mute point... I like my new Dodge, after nearly 7k miles on it. The steering, brakes,ride, auto shift pattern, and other things make this a superior truck to previous Dodges. And most of us will trade these long before we wear them out.



What is sad is that we have to go out and spend thousands to bring them up to the competitor's stock ratings. I hear continually that the new little p/s in the Ford and that new bandless or whatever transmission is awesome! And we all know the ford's cab interior is much more roomy, and so on. I just didn't want another Ford...



Wish they'd hurry up with the power boxes!



D/C has done okay, but they could have done better.

 

[DPKetchum]

Not that this may mean anything but had to add my two cents worth. I was a service advisor in a D. C. dealer for four years. We handled lots of trucks. Constuction companys etc. Really did'nt see that many trans issues in Cumming powered trucks,saw tons in Gran Cherokees etc. Some of the trans we did see in Cumming powered trucks seemed to also have a driver issue,One company told me the trans failure in their trucks including Fords with P. S were the same drivers over and over. Only saw one ruin Cummings engine and was eaither a kpd or oil pump failure in a plummer truck that was so heavy it listed to one side. Next issue is a 450/550 platform. D. C. rep hinted last two years that it was proberly coming down the pipeline. Owner of dealer was always comminting about exspanding shop to handle a BIGGER truck. Curious if the Dodge ad that says were not finished growing may refer to this subject. Last thing is v8 or inline six. Had a old diesel tech who repaired HUGE cranes and such told me years ago,STAY away from V8 design. To many rev's,too much vibration and just plain not as durable as a inline when diesel power is concerned. Said gas power V was dandy but not diesel.

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

I really wish I could get a new super duty w/a cummins.



They are good lookin', good ridin', long lasting trucks... too bad they lack the power plant of choice.

No accounting for taste :-laf Sorry Mark I know it is all personal taste but I think the Ferd Superduty is ugly in every configuration except the dually, which is OK but does not hold a candle to the Dodge. Like they say to each his own