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Grizzly said:
We are planning on going through Glacier NP. We will go in at Kalispell, through Martin City and come out at St Mary. There are 6 camp ground along the way through the park and several outside in both directions. Can anyone recommend one and attractions to see in the park. What wildlife have you seen and where in the park?



We were there last in 2001 and set up in the West Glacier KOA, a good park.



We left the trailer there one day and made a circle tour from the west entrance to the east, down to US-2 and back to the KOA. Nice scenery, saw some mountain goats at the summit of the Going to the Sun highway, very close to the observation point there.



The Going to the Sun highway is restricted to short vehicles due to very sharp turns and narrow lanes. Here is a blurb showing them:



"The Going-to-the-Sun Road is a spectacular 52 mile highway through Glacier National Park and crosses the Continental Divide at Logan Pass. Then traverses the towering Garden Wall. The maximum vehicle dimensions are 21 feet long (including bumpers) and 8 feet wide (including mirrors). Over-length vehicles may be parked at entrance points. Rental cars are available at nearby towns and there is also a shuttle service. For details, call Rocky Mountain Transportation 406-862-2539. The Going-to-the-Sun Road normally opens in early June. "



The park web site says the average snow depth now is 3 1/2 feet and they've started plowing to open the road.



Have a safe trip. DBF
 
Gonzo2, those are great links. I looked at all of them. I imagian anything near Lake Louise you need reservation ahead of time. Likewise with Vancouver?



I have never camped at Lake Louise but I do know that Banff National park just started a reservation system this year. It used to all be first come first served and it was not too bad getting a decent spot except on long weekends. They do have an overflow camping (parking) area though. With a truck camper you have lots of options.

There is a real good information service/booth by the Highway at Canmore which is near the entrance to the park. B. C. and Alberta both have excellent printed camping guides.



Last time i was in the area with a RV I stayed here: Restwell



Vancouver is a lot easier to get a spot on short notice especially with a camper. You may not get the primo sites, but we should be able to find you something good. :)

Vancouver Area Campgrounds
 
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Griz,



If you're up to it, do the hike behind the visitor center at Logan Pass. It was about half snow in '04 when I was there which made it much harder. We saw mountain goats up close. Some nice scenery, too. We stayed in a nice campground in the town of Waterton Park, if you're going there.



It's going to be pretty tight to get your camper up to Logan Pass on Going to The Sun Road.



Maybe I can find some more info later.
 
DBF said:
The Going to the Sun highway is restricted to short vehicles due to very sharp turns and narrow lanes. Here is a blurb showing them:



"The Going-to-the-Sun Road is a spectacular 52 mile highway through Glacier National Park and crosses the Continental Divide at Logan Pass. Then traverses the towering Garden Wall. The maximum vehicle dimensions are 21 feet long (including bumpers) DBF



DBF Thanks, good blurb on the "Going-to-the-Sun-Road". I sure wish we could drive all the way through the park, however I belive I am over the 21' limit. Long before I had my first Dodge, I had a Ford F250 with a 10 1/2' Travel Queen cab-over camper and we were allowed to go all the way through the park.

gonzo2, I can't find Restwell. Where is it near too? The overflow areas aren't very attractive, that's what we did on the last trip. Without reservations, you take what you can get. Vancouver Area Campgrounds looks great and very informative. I shouldn't have any problem finding a place to say there.

EEdmondson, I'm up to any hike, I do that a lot, however if there are bears in the area my wife won't hike with me. Waterton Park sounds good. I'm sure I'm well over 21'. I'll measure my truck with camper tomorrow.
 
I see by the link that Restwell is now Spring Creek, this is right inside the town of Canmore which is an excellent launching point for Banff/Lake Louise. If you stay in Canmore make sure you check out Spray Lake road for the view of the Bow Valley.



I'll second the vote for Waterton Park, aside from the National park campground inside there are three or four private ones right near the gate. There are also some good horseback trail rides available close by and the park itself is quite a gem.



Waterton to Banff is an easy drive in less than a day, even with sightseeing.
 
gonzo2 I'll second the vote for Waterton Park said:
Waterton Park it is. I have heard nothing but good about Waterton Park.

Just found out yesterday from my State Farm agent that I will need a special certificate from them to enter into Canada. They said that this is required since 9/11. Has anyone else ever heard of this? This may be valuable information for anyone thinking of making this trip or just going into Canada. I've been in Canada since 9/11, but in a rental car. We have also applied for Passports. My understanding is that Passports are better then birth certificates. Less hassel.
 
Grizzly said:
Just found out yesterday from my State Farm agent that I will need a special certificate from them to enter into Canada. They said that this is required since 9/11. Has anyone else ever heard of this? This may be valuable information for anyone thinking of making this trip or just going into Canada. I've been in Canada since 9/11, but in a rental car. We have also applied for Passports. My understanding is that Passports are better then birth certificates. Less hassel.



Canadian Border Services has the right to know that your truck is covered by insurance valid in Canada. I've asked my insurer for the Canadian coverage cards every time we've gone up there and never been asked. Better to have and not need than get caught short and spend hours getting it sorted out.



Passports are easier, in that the US border folks can scan them into the computer and know quickly whether or not you're wanted somewhere in the US.



DBF
 
On the insurance certificate. It is not a bad idea to have one as a friend of mine went down to haul back a new boat. The boat had temp plates on it and he did not have proof of ins. for it. They made him buy Canadian ins to haul his boat through Canada. The insurance card says you ARE covered in Canada, Customs can be difficult sometimes. The insurance card is free from your agent. When my wife and I flew down to Idaho to pick up a new dodge Dually as I already had the Vin number I got the card before we left. On this trip they did not ask for it but I was prepared. The passport will be required after the first of 2007 to go to Canada or Mexico from what I saw posted. The new wrinkle on weapons(long guns) is the cost is $25. 00 canadian for 60 days. If you are longer than that you have to get a new permit for another $25. 00. They told me they did this for the US hunters for short term stays.

My wife and I got back on the 21st of march with a 6 1/2 day run from Yuma. We had some interesting weather(-17 at Grande Prairie and snow storms from Calgary to Edmonton) and ice on the Alcan but good running. Also check your drivers license and make sure you are current. Yesterday we were doing some banking business and the girl asked for Identification so I handed her my D. L. , much to my surprise mine had expired in mid February and I drove through Canadian Customs and US customs and they never caught it. If I had been caught my wife would have been really unhappy to say the least if she had to drive all the way back to Anchorage in the Dually in the winter.
 
Grizzly

To add my . 02 to the conversation. Glacier National Park is very nice, especially the Going to the Sun Highway. The boys saddly are correct you will not be taking your truck/camper up and over. It is not so much the width but the height going through the little round tunnels, the fact it is very busy two vehicles that size can't get through at once. We had the Toyota 4 runner in those days so we were fine. We stayed in the area for about 4 days and did some short hikes etc. There always seems to be goats at the summit to entertain the folks.

Kalispell was an interesting place, as we stayed there as a base. There was a shop there that sold the silver/blue jewlery that the natives down your way make. He however had the biggest inventory of the stuff I ever seen.

Waterton Park I finally got to spend some time in two trips back. Very nice, I was there in early June and I couldn't do the hiking trails I wanted due the snow in the high alpine. But one of the hikes I did do I came up close with a large big horn sheep ram. Those boys are alot bigger up close than they appear on TV. I was close enough at one point to touch him from where I took refuge between 3 trees. He seemed more curious than aggresive. I think he was used to and probably looking for a hand out. To make a long story short there is alot of wild life in these two parks. I seen away more in Waterton as it is just not as busy as Glacier. Theres also a nice big old CN/CP hotel (King Edward I think) that sits up on the hill over looking the lake. It's deffinately worth a look. I had a little nip of scotch there one evening while sitting on the patio.



Interesting point on the insurance slips. I would imagine if you have to provide proof of coverage while in Canada it would only seem logical I would have to do the same while visiting the States. However I never been asked or never thought of it.
 
DBF said:
Few of us put the US Immigration Service and Customs in the same sentence with "logical".



DBF



How true it is. I agree with you that it is better to have the insurance card, even if it's not asked for, then not have it, if it is asked for. We'll have it. I told my wife and she wrote it on our calendar. She can remember better then I can.

viper700. Sounds like it can be difficult driving to Alaska in March. Just checked my drivers licence and it's good. Thank for the reminder. I'm sure I'll forget all kinds of stuff. Another thing to remember is get a prescription for any medication you may be on to crosss the border. I have never been asked for one before.

Mr. Goat. Welcome back. Good hearing from you. I always enjoy your stories. I'm very disappointed that we won't be going over "Going to the Sun Highway". We're looking forward to visiting Waterton and we will look for the King Edward hotel.
 
I've been asked for the insurance card just about every time I've driven into Canada over the last 20 years. I don't think it is a new requirement since 9/11. Thanks Grizzly for this thread, I've enjoyed it. Our family has made this trip almost a dozen times but we rarely spend much time in Canada as we are anxious to get to our destinations in the lower 48.
 
Grizzly

I uderstand your going to take in Glacier, Banff, Lake Louise, Jasper. Since I know you have pouring over the maps, you realize to go to Banff from Glacier you either stay on the Alberta side of the mtns by using a series of small but nice little highways which will bring you out east of Canmore, or connect up to Hwy #93 in BC which terminates in Jasper. I would suggest Hwy #93. Although a longer distance a far more interesting route.



Waterton Park: Hwy#6 to #3 at Pincher Creek, west over the Crows nest pass to Sparwood and Fernie and Elko. From Elko Hwy #93 to Cranbrook.

Cranbrook is the biggest place in the area and has alot of amenities. eg: They have a large RV centre there at which you can get everything and anything. Fort Steele is close by, an old RCMP fortification.

Hwy #93 heads north up the Columbia River Valley, open and arid country. Next metropolous on the route is Invermere ( I owned a home here in the early 90's). It is in close proximity to Windermere and Radium Hot Springs. This area is one of the weekend retreat spots for folks from Calgary. Lots of golf, skiing at Panorama Resort, Lake Windermere etc. Lots to do here but you have to hunt it down to get what I consider the good stuff. Very open and pretty area none the less. At Radium Hwy #93 makes a sharp right through a large rock cut (Sinclair pass) and into Yoho National Park. A dramatic transition from a arid valley to a heavily wooded park. From here you head north and intersect Hwy #1 halfway between Lake Louise and Banff.

After you had your fill of Banff which shouldn't take long, (very ,very busy place) chaotic I think would best describe it. The Elk had the town fenced to keep all the tourists in one area. Although Parks Canada tells a different story.

Regardless you will no longer be entertained by the Elk wandering through the streets eating flowers from the peoples flower boxes. They got tired of tourists sticking cameras in there faces I suppose.

There is a tremendous amount to see and do here the extent of which will depend upon your patience and perseverance. Lake Louise is in the same catagory. Brush up on your Japanese as English at times is the second language!! I stayed at the Chateau Lake Louise some years back and have a fond memory of a large group of Japanese ladies some in traditional garb standing at the lake shore at dusk in front of the Chateau all singing in Japanese. It was quite something to see and hear. So I encourage you to visit these areas just be prepared for the chaous, especially in August. You will need a reservation for and everything except eating, and going to the bathroom and for these you will just line up.

The route from lake Louise up to Jasper is called the Icefields Parkway and is one most spectacular drives you can take in the rockies. A stop at the Columbia Ice field is warrented. And maybe a ride on the big tired buses. Although the view of the Salmon Glacier at Stewart/Hyder that previously described is better.

Next up is Sunwapta Falls which warrents a little time to see the sights. Then on to Jasper. Although not as busy as Banff it is getting there and runs on a similar reservation schedule. The cable car ride is nice. The road into Maligne Lake and the boat excursion is also good. Mt. Edith Cavell is also a nice side trip. And like Banff you can shop to you drop in downtown Jasper.

I assume from Jasper you will head west on #16 to #40 to Grande Cache then on to Grande Prairie and Dawson Creek. That route I have not been up but I imagine will be fine and a welcome respite from the the chaous of Banff and Jasper. The route is in Rand and McNally and if it's in there you can drive your Linclon Town Car over it without incident.



Well another busy day in retirement is underway so I should get on to my next chore, cutting/hauling more firewood. Pete
 
RMachida said:
I've been asked for the insurance card just about every time I've driven into Canada over the last 20 years. I don't think it is a new requirement since 9/11. Thanks Grizzly for this thread, I've enjoyed it. Our family has made this trip almost a dozen times but we rarely spend much time in Canada as we are anxious to get to our destinations in the lower 48.



Thank you for that, I've been enjoying it too. Tell me about Fairbanks. I was there in 95, but i'm sure I missed the best parts. I'm searching the internet for one day train tours. I'm not finding much. My wife is going to like the North Pole. Whats it like living there in the winter?

Mr. Goat, We're thinking about Hwy 93 through Invermere. That way is a bit more distance. We had planned on going Hwy 22 on the Alberta side. I've got to do some more reading and pouring over the maps. What you say sounds tempting. I'm sure either way will be good, but Hwy 22 is shorter and I do need to shave off three days on the itinerary to keep the Mrs. happy. Some people still work.
 
Grizzly

In regards to Hwy #93 vs Hwy#22. I can see your line of thinking here but 22 is very rural, twists back and forth through little communities in open rolling grassy ranch country. It will be about as exciting as watching wet paint dry. You will see alot of good ole boys (catttle) smiling at you through fences, and thats about it. I have travelled abit in the country north of Calgary as my cousin has a small horse ranch in that neck of the woods. I think 22 in the long run will be slower and it will take you farther east than you need to be as you are heading to Dawson Creek, which as you are aware is just inside the BC border. Well west of 22.

I think 93 to 16 to 40 as previously mentioned will be alot more interesting and will save you time in the long run. If you need to shave time I would suggest cutting back on the touristy stuff in and around Banff and Lake Louise, as those areas are time suckers for sure.

Another suggestion would be to take Hwy93 up to Jasper, Hwy16 west and north to Prince George, then Hwy 97 north to to the Yukon border. Looks like all good serviced highway, and more direct. Food for thought !!!



Mrs. Grizzly should enjoy the Noth Pole as I hear Mrs. Claus enjoys having tea with the ladies, and Santa welcomes all visitors. Rumor has it he's replacing the deer with a CTD !!! However snowtires, 4x4 and long undies are still required equipment even in the summer !!
 
EEdmondson said:
Skip Lake Louise but don skip Moraine Lake. Not as many people and IMHO prettier.



Moraine Lake sounds very interesting and we will go there. All I can tell from the links you sent is that it is 10 miles west, but I can't find it in my maps. We will still go to Lake Louise because it's the prettiest lake I have ever seen. Thanks for the links.

Mr. Goat, Hwy 93 it is from Elko to Invermere then into Banff NP and Lake Louise. I want to go into Moraine Lake. I can not bypass Jasper NP, it's too spectacular, then on to Hwy 16 to Hwy 40 to Grande Prairie.



Is there anything else one can do in Denali NP besides take the bus tours? I think the Park Service will let one hike in the park, but you can not take your private vehicle in and around the park.
 
Even though the price of diesel is getting higher, we are going to make the trip to Alaska. For the round trip we will spend $2,000 to $2,600 on diesel. We're making up the difference in fuel prices by not taking our annual trip to Las Vegas, sometimes we take two trips to Las Vegas. What are the diesel prices in BC, Alberta, Yukon and Alaska. Yukon had the highest prices in 95.
 
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