Am I the only one having problems with new motor?

[JAKE 2544]

Whats the ultimate fix,remove the dpf?

 

[BHolm]

Wow, am I glad I settled on an '06 six speed truck. I think the majority of the blame needs to be placed with the EPA. Those clowns think a diessel should be as clean particulate wise as gas engines, that is what caused the need for all of the garbage bolted to a perfectly good engine. The exhaust system alone scared me when I looked at it, this regen cycle is insane.



So how often do you estimate you can go between regens? How often do you need to road trip the truck to facilitate this BS? I know I personally would have to go WAY out of my way to find a suitable stretch where this regen could take place fully, and I suspect the majority of owners are in this pickle.



The beautiful irony in all this is that we are talking about an emmissions reduction system that requires a boatload of EXTRA high speed driving to maintain its efficiency. So how much extra fuel gets burned during this out of the way driving to get the regen done? I would bet anything that in the end you will actually pollute MORE in order to satisfy some EPA dimbulb requirement. All of this at the consumers expense and inconvienience.



Shame on Dodge for making the system so obtuse, shame on the politians for fabricating another worthless scheme with no common sense behind it. Good luck with a solution. I would guess that the best, though illegal, solution is to find a way to remove the emmissions system. This situation is so stupid it is scary.

 

[PaulBarker]

Did they do the flash 18-033-07 that has been out for about two weeks? If it is idling rough, misfires, blows black smoke you should shut it off for 30 seconds and restart it. If you don't, it will soot much faster and plug the PF. The flash corrects it. Your dealer should also know there are two parts of the flash. The first is downloading the "Bootloader" flash, then they have to blow out the files and download the actual flash. There is also a new flash coming, hopefully next week. It should have some tweaks to the regeneration process.

hopefully this picture will show up, but here is what the dealer did the first time, now mind you it was a bunch of coonass that worked on my truck.

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[PaulBarker]

by the way, i just tried the 45 min at 2400rpm's in 5th gear and 45 mins in 6th gear (2000 to 2500 rpm) without hitting the brake. it did nothing, still at 100%, still blowing black smoke between gears 2 to 4th. and it smokes when you are letting the e brake slow the truck down. also i had a littlewhite smoke at start up.

 

[KWAYNE]

No offense, but I stated this thread & my truck is the cab & chassis. Its not just pickups having the problem, its all 6. 7's period. I will say again I love this truck... but this problem is not going to go away until enough of us call Chrysler & make them realize that there is a bad design or a flaw in there design on the PDF... the rest of the truck is great. Its not the fuel, not the way we drive, its not our fault, its just a bad design & the need to address it now. . !

If you are one of the lucky ones that hasnt had this problem yet, your days are numbered, its only a matter of time. I dont know what else they can replace on my pdf . The check engine light is on again & I can’t miss any more work... I love this web-site & think everyone pulling together we can make Chrysler listen up & fix this nagging problem... My last truck (2001 dodge chassis) never went to the dealer for anything. It is still going with 340,000 mile on her. . Best damn truck ive ever owned...

 

[marksp]

Wow, am I glad I settled on an '06 six speed truck. I think the majority of the blame needs to be placed with the EPA. Those clowns think a diessel should be as clean particulate wise as gas engines, that is what caused the need for all of the garbage bolted to a perfectly good engine. The exhaust system alone scared me when I looked at it, this regen cycle is insane.



So how often do you estimate you can go between regens? How often do you need to road trip the truck to facilitate this BS? I know I personally would have to go WAY out of my way to find a suitable stretch where this regen could take place fully, and I suspect the majority of owners are in this pickle.



The beautiful irony in all this is that we are talking about an emmissions reduction system that requires a boatload of EXTRA high speed driving to maintain its efficiency. So how much extra fuel gets burned during this out of the way driving to get the regen done? I would bet anything that in the end you will actually pollute MORE in order to satisfy some EPA dimbulb requirement. All of this at the consumers expense and inconvienience.



Shame on Dodge for making the system so obtuse, shame on the politians for fabricating another worthless scheme with no common sense behind it. Good luck with a solution. I would guess that the best, though illegal, solution is to find a way to remove the emmissions system. This situation is so stupid it is scary.

Well said! I'm not holding my breath for a factory solution any time soon. Generally speaking, when there exist broad consumer frustration, it's the opportunistic after market with innovative solutions first.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

No offense, but I stated this thread & my truck is the cab & chassis. Its not just pickups having the problem, its all 6. 7's period. I will say again I love this truck... but this problem is not going to go away until enough of us call Chrysler & make them realize that there is a bad design or a flaw in there design on the PDF...





I love this web-site & think everyone pulling together we can make Chrysler listen up & fix this nagging problem... My last truck (2001 dodge chassis) never went to the dealer for anything. It is still going with 340,000 mile on her. . Best damn truck ive ever owned...

You're wasting your time if you think DC originated this problem - or is able to "fix" it on their own!



This is PURELY an EPA and political automotive issue that WON'T go away anytime soon - the EPA and others holding the reins of emissions control don't CARE about the inconvenience, expense OR difficulties placed upon vehicle manufacturers or owners - or even if all vehicles were removed from the road!



ALL, and I mean ALL they are interested in is what comes out of the tailpipe, and the absolute POWER they have to control that from the manufacturer to the wrecking yard - and all in between!



YEAH, I'm VERY glad to have my '02 - and not ABOUT to trade any time on the observable horizon!

 

[TAbbott]

"Glad I got a cab and chassis with 2007 emissions rather than a pickup with 2010 emissions. "



I'm glad I got an '06 w/ a 5. 9 and none of that crap hanging on it. And speaking of the 2010 emissions, I don't understand all I know about why D/C or Cummins made the pickup 6. 7 meet those specs so early (unless it's just an obvious marketing ploy for the "greenies").



As I understand it, the addition of the urea injection (which almost all the manufacturers agree is the ultimate solution to the 2010 specs) is supposed to work so well that most if not all of these other emissions devices will be unnecessary -- and that even the cam and timing changes that have been made can be changed back to pre-year 2000 levels and still meet the requirements. That's why the politico's feel comfortable in mandating future fuel mileage improvements even on heavy duty trucks --- because they know that it can be done, cleanly, by changing back to former tried and true specifications of earlier model vehicles that didn't have all the crap clogging up their intake and exhaust tracts. And compressing a 40% dead air charge and injecting fuel into or behind the exhaust manifold --- these genius ideas weren't the work of anyone trying to make the engine run better or more efficiently.



When all is said and done it's all back to making the engine an efficient air pump and the manufacturers know how to do that if the aim is in fact efficiency, not zero emissions.

 

[TKeeler]

Regens

Did they do the flash 18-033-07 that has been out for about two weeks? If it is idling rough, misfires, blows black smoke you should shut it off for 30 seconds and restart it. If you don't, it will soot much faster and plug the PF. The flash corrects it. Your dealer should also know there are two parts of the flash. The first is downloading the "Bootloader" flash, then they have to blow out the files and download the actual flash. There is also a new flash coming, hopefully next week. It should have some tweaks to the regeneration process.

Is the only way to know how many regens have been attempted, completed or aborted is for a service tech to tell you? It sounds like there should be some better advance notice of the need for a regen... 80% sounds like it's too late and a problem. I for one don't cherish the thought of being out in the tooleys somewhere hunting or fishing and have the 80% warning come on... I could be miles from no where. I would like to see some better information like % of PF not just 80% and 100% sorry find a service center. Dodge could end up with some pretty spendy tow bills. As picky as it sounds like this PF is it should have a guage like the fuel tank, it sounds like we are driving around not knowing if we are at 79% or 29% full.

 

[FATCAT]

No offense, but I stated this thread & my truck is the cab & chassis. Its not just pickups having the problem, its all 6. 7's period. I will say again I love this truck... but this problem is not going to go away until enough of us call Chrysler & make them realize that there is a bad design or a flaw in there design on the PDF... the rest of the truck is great. Its not the fuel, not the way we drive, its not our fault, its just a bad design & the need to address it now. . !

If you are one of the lucky ones that hasnt had this problem yet, your days are numbered, its only a matter of time. I dont know what else they can replace on my pdf . The check engine light is on again & I can’t miss any more work... I love this web-site & think everyone pulling together we can make Chrysler listen up & fix this nagging problem... My last truck (2001 dodge chassis) never went to the dealer for anything. It is still going with 340,000 mile on her. . Best damn truck ive ever owned...

If you are in for the 3rd time for this problem ... . LEMON THE THING!!! Tell the dealer you are starting a Lemon law case ... and (if you want) contact your local news paper's consumers department, they love these stories. Then use your 2001 till it drops.



Some day Dodge will get it fixed, but it ain't gonna be this year and probably not next either.

 

[jimnance]

Look, the DPF is new technology. There is a reason that most large trucking companies chose to upgrade their fleets before the 2007 models. They know from experience that the first year or two of a new design will have problems. They'd rather let someone else have the problems and let them get sorted out. I guarantee you that Ford and Chevy are having similar issues.



Do you think we'd have entirely new designs from Ford and Dodge if the EPA hadn't required the new emissions numbers?



I'm sure in another year or so most of these issues will be sorted out. Meantime, the early adopters of this technology will suffer through the debugging cycle.



I'm happy to have three CTD's to drive for now. A 1993 that is my daily driver with 142K, a 1999 with 110 K that my wife uses for towing the horses around, and a 2005 dually for the really big jobs. They all preform perfectly.



As long as these trucks last, my next truck may be solar powered.

 

[PaulBarker]

if any of yall live in texas i can give you a number to a good LEMON LAW LAWERY

 

[KWAYNE]

I have had this happen on shell, exxon & flying j fuel... Its not the fuel its the design... I tried to switch to shell when I first started having this problem, then when it started smoking again I swithed to flying j then when it did it again I tried loves truck stop... no better...

 

[KWAYNE]

The codes im getting now are P2080 & P2084... a whole new can of worms... . lol

On a good note I will say this truck when the engine light is off, it out pulls any other truck ive ever drove in my life... I have owned ford, dodge, freightliner fl-80, & Chevy... This transmission rocks. I even like it better than my DTT on my 2001. The aisen 6 speed is the best transmission I’ve ever owned. . just wish I could make it one day without the check engine light coming on. .

 

[RScaletti]

Oh man, this isn't good. At 4k miles on the clock, my MIL light came on tonight. I have only run Exxon and Hess ULSD, and have Rotella oil (Cummins approved) in the case. Will be at the dealer at 8am tomorrow.



The only other issue I have had, was the change oil indicator coming on 300 miles after my first oil change. I reset it and has not been an issue since.



I don't want to part with the truck, but I certainly don't have the patience for this BS some seem to be having.

 

[KWAYNE]

Another update... . Chrysler is supposed to be coming out with the mother of all re-flashes that is supposed to fix all the pdf problems in the next 2-weeks... It’s being tested & they are putting the final tweeks in it. . Lets all pray this one works...

 

[TConnolly]

Another update... . Chrysler is supposed to be coming out with the mother of all re-flashes that is supposed to fix all the pdf problems in the next 2-weeks... It’s being tested & they are putting the final tweeks in it. . Lets all pray this one works...

My dealer got the "Fix All Software update this morning and is waiting to install it as soon as the TSB with the instructions becomes available, it was expected today but was not available at 3pm eastern. Hopefully tomorrow am!

I'm going to post this in several threads as, a lot of inconsistent information is circulating.

The 6. 7L PCM gathers information from sensors before and after the DPF, calculations are preformed using that information along with idle time and duty cycle to determine when to go to 80% full, at 80% regen is triggered and will occur if the vehicle meets the proper conditions, If the conditions are not met and the vehicle reaches 100% full the PCM de-rates the engine and dealer service is required.

Basic information you need to know to understand why we're having problems with our oil change interval and DPF. Duty cycle is calculated and recorded in duration and percentage (25% of the time at 90%, & 15% of the time at 40%, & 60% of the time at idle). Idle is measured at 10% or less throttle pressure.

Common sense dictates that city driving would account for more idle time than highway, Not true because of the torque our engines make they require little peddle to hold Hwy speeds and register high idle time.

High idle time is considered extreme duty and triggers the oil change interval and regen cycle.

In my case the DPF was never full and the oil was not bad at 2k / 3. 4K / 7. 5K, the PCM just thought it was! Last week when TSB 18-033-07 was loaded in to my PCM and a manual burn was preformed it only lasted about 50 miles.

The new software is suppose to address the original issues and should cure the problems that we are experiencing.

As mentioned in a previous post suggesting that regen will occur at idle, do not confuse idle (10% or less throttle) with standing still. Use common sense if the regen cycle occurs standing still you could catch the grass on fire and rune your day! If you are old enough to remember the high number of police cruisers that burned to the ground while parked on the road side when gas engines first got catalytic converters.

This information is provided based on my research and my conversations with dealer service personnel, regional Reps and STAR tech’s. I believe the information given me is true, ultimately time will tell.

 

[RScaletti]

Oh man, this isn't good. At 4k miles on the clock, my MIL light came on tonight. I have only run Exxon and Hess ULSD, and have Rotella oil (Cummins approved) in the case. Will be at the dealer at 8am tomorrow.



The only other issue I have had, was the change oil indicator coming on 300 miles after my first oil change. I reset it and has not been an issue since.



I don't want to part with the truck, but I certainly don't have the patience for this BS some seem to be having.

Interesting Update. Dealer could not see me until Thursday morning, so, following the advice of many on this board, I ran it hard for the last 24 hours and now the MIL light is off. Should I keep the service appointment, or cancel it? My inclination is to cancel and see what happens in the coming days. Thoughts?

 

[sag2]

Get it flashed ASAP. If you have already experienced a problem it is not going to heal itself.

 

[KWAYNE]

I got the new up-date re-flash yesterday... I will keep yall posted as to how it does, but so far im really impressed.

My overhead console used to say I was getting 14mpg, which when you check it by hand it was 13mpg. Now the overhead is saying 17. 5 so I will run this tank out & calculated by hand to see if its right... The truck is running stronger than it has since new. It feels like it actually has more pep... off the line it feels like its got more get up than before…

I ran it all day yesterday in town & purposely left it idling to see if the dpf would clog... so far so good. .