AMSOIL; Negative feedback?

[Sled Puller]

And while your stuck on why you shouldn't use Amsoil, think about this:

NO ARAB OIL IS USED. BUY AMERICAN.

Does that mean anything to you guys?

 

[Extreme1]

Bob Riley,
Didn't you hear? Amsoil owns Exxon! #ad
That's why all the leaks! LOL #ad

 

[TowPro]

You know what, so is Tuperware, and I bet your Wife or Mom has lots of it! Its also the "best in its class". #ad

Originally posted by Patrick Hayden:
Amsoil=Amway

Just thought every one should know that amsoil is a pyramid scheme.

 

[Sled Puller]

Extreme 1,
Are you guys using the racing oil or just the straight Injector oil?

When I think about oil leaks, I remember ALL my Chevys, New gaskets, black goo, blue goo red goo, they still leaked like oil was free. And that was with good old Wolf's Head!
Funny, I never thought about calling WF and complaining.
Gene

 

[John]

I can tell you with absolute certainty that switching to Amsoil 15W-40 HDD&M and currently, Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 HDD have produced significant improvements in subsequent oil analysis reports I've received. This is based on previous oil analysis reports I'd received when I was using Valvoline/Cummins Premium Blue, Valvoline/Cummins Premium Blue 2000 (semi-synthetic) and Red Line 15W-40 (100%) synthetic. My last oil analysis report couldn't have been much better even if I had submitted a sample right out of a previously unopened bottle!

I know one thing, long time synthetic users like myself are sick and tired of hearing about the plugged oil filters and oil leaks that developed after some moron decided to switch to synthetics after the engine had 50k+ miles on the odometer. This has been common knowledge to anyone with any mechanical experience for at least two decades now. Seal leaks and clogged filters will happen in these circumstances unless the proper precautions have been adhered to. ****No offense Extreme1, this was NOT a response aimed at you, either directly or indirectly****

 

[Extreme1]

John!

Actual comparison! A1 Job!

No offense taken. I was running mineral oil and never got into oil sampling before I switched. I don't have any comparison other than the condition of the oil in the engine to new oil like it.

I read a report a while back describing (seal leakage) what I tried to allude to in a couple paragraphs. They did a better job.

MGM: We use the plain injector oil. After a race I can remove the cylinder head and wipe off the very slight amount of "carbon" with a paper towel. The valves have some deposits but they don't build up like the OEM oil does. That stuff is a real pain to clean off everything.

I have tried the racing oil but can't see a huge difference. Deposits are about the same, piston wear might be less but I really can't quantify it. I would need a dyno and a box of pistons to prove an advantage. #ad
I LOVE destructive testing-with someone elses stuff! #ad

 

[Deezal Man]

I found it interesting that when I said it was a pyramid scheme instantly the "dealers" came out of the wood work to defend the system.

Seems perfectly logical to me that the people who "KNOW" the system would voice their opinions. . Sorta like BD and DTT battling it out over VB's and TC's!!
How much sense does it make for me to voice my opinion... if I know very little about it?

AM I missing something here?

The difference between Exxon/Mobil’s distribution system and Amsoil's is, when I buy Mobil the guy doesn’t try to get me to sell it.

Yes, and your point is? Does that make it a pyramid scheme? The only difference is that the Exxon/Mobil salesman went to the store owner... trying to get him to sell his product. . so he and everyone above him makes money on the products you buy. The only difference between the two systems is that one company deals on a "company" level, and the other deals on a "people" level.

Further, One company controls its distribution channels, the other allows people to control the channels. Its a proven fact that people work harder if they will see a return for their labors.

But of course, all this means is I'm defending AMSOIL.

If I could make money selling AMSOIL, I'd have quite selling industrial automation systems along time ago.

BTW: Exxon/Mobil is ONE of our customers.
I'm quite familiar with their own pyramid payment structure. #ad

 

[HEMI®Dart]

I agree with you too John about Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 HDD. Great Oil. It had less wear metals than in my sample then the full synthetic 15W-40.

Cummins Engine co. does not recommend a 5W-30 in operating temperatures about 0 degrees. Its too light and will not protect like a heavier weight oil will. Accellerated wear on bearings, lifters,& rings will occur.

It think we have proved Cummins wrong. #ad


[This message has been edited by HEMI®Dart (edited 03-14-2001). ]

 

[Bob Riley]

Originally posted by HEMI®Dart:
I agree with you too John about Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 HDD. Great Oil. It had less wear metals than in my sample then the full synthetic 15W-40.

Cummins Engine co. does not recommend a 5W-30 in operating temperatures about 0 degrees. Its too light and will not protect like a heavier weight oil will. Accellerated wear on bearings, lifters,& rings will occur.

It think we have proved Cummins wrong. #ad


[This message has been edited by HEMI®Dart (edited 03-14-2001). ]

Keep in mind with manufacturers reccomondations. It's based on standard petroleum oil that is readily available. Actually, I beleive Amsoil has the only heavy duty diesel oil in a 30w. So, it would be hard for them to say you can't use a 30w unless it's Amsoil. #ad

Bob

 

[Bob Riley]

Originally posted by Patrick Hayden:
The difference between Exxon/Mobil’s distribution system and Amsoil's is, when I buy Mobil the guy doesn’t try to get me to sell it.

Have you ever become a dealer or preferred customer? I personally have many, I won't say how many, but I will say this, NOT ONE have ever been called to see when they were going to sell oil. This is not Amway. The business is product based, not marketing based, in other words, most become dealers to buy cheaper for themselves, where in AMway, you become a distributor to sell products that you could normally buy at the store. There is a big difference. Yes, you are allowed opinions, but they are wrong. Not your fault, you just never had it explained to you.
Bob

 

[COBRAJET]

The majority of the Amsoil users I know have paid the $20. 00 fee and have become "Dealers". I use that term loosely since I have never sold Amsoil to anyone for a PROFIT. I have sold it to friends in order for them to try it. They have all loved it and paid the twenty, and now buy the products themselves. I am lucky since a distribution center is 10 minutes from my house. I can order it and pick it up by the time I get there. I have spoken to the dealer who sponsored me once... thanked him and told him to lose my phone number... he did. My oil analysis comes back way below the NORMS everytime. No leaks, no complaints... CJ

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[Runaway]

Been on road for last couple days. Question answered Extreme1. Dyno days depends on whether its April or May.

Thanks for everyones input...

 

[Diesel Freak]

The only question I have is about the extended oil change intervals. In the navy we never changed the oil in our main propultion turbines. The oil was constantly purified by a strainer, and centrifugal purifier that spun at 11000 rpm. The strainer removed large particles and the purifier removed the small particles, water, and higher density carbonised oil. While I admit that there was no carbon buildup from combustion products (steam turbines), 35000 hp has a tendency to be very hard on any oil. When usung a synthetic in reciprocating engine (like the CTD) the only filters that are used are particulate filters, so what happens when the oil gets some fuel in it from incomplete combustion, ring blowby, and thins it out? Impurities (soluable and insoluable) accumulate in oil over its period of use, and as the ammount of soluable unfilterable contaminants increase the oil looses its effectiveness. therefore I change my oil every 5000 miles whether it is synthetic or not... . the cost issue is the factor why I do not use a synthetic.

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[TowPro]

I just called Dan and ordered 12q of 15w40 for the Cummins (with 79K "dino oil" miles on it), 4q of 2000 75w90 for the 5 speed, 6q of 3000 5w30 for the VW TDI, 2q 2000 75w90 for the VW trans, an air filter and oil filter for the VW, and air filter oil.

The Cummins spends most of its time sitting now that I run the VW to work, so I wanted the extra corrosion protection Amsoil provides.

I don't expect any seals to start leaking on the Cummins either. #ad



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[R.E. Miller]

The point above is one of the main reasons that I change my oil frequently, and do not use synthetics. The other being that I do have high mileage trucks, that at this point would not benift from Amsoil usage. I found this out with my old truck that I posted about up top. I don't doubt Amsoil potential, lord knows without it Alaska and it's pipe line may still be a pipe dream #ad
Hmmm, what about those little Air Force birdies that flutter about pulling 12+ G's or whatever, synthetic too.

 

[Timinator]

cdaledh,
That's what oil analysis is for. It's recommended when extended drain intervals are used.

 

[Diesel Freak]

To get a sample of oil to analize, do not most of you remove and replace the filter with a new one? In the time it takes me to remove the turbo inlet boot and remove the oil filter, my oil is mostly drained out of the pan. So, it would take me just as long to change filters and get a sample of the used oil as it would take to do a full oil drain... . filling is the easy part.
Also, why does Cummins not recomend extending drain inervals with synthetic?
HMMMMMmmmm looks like I will stick with DELO 400. This stuff has proven itself, My Dad has a '90 CTD with 290000 miles on Delo, and I had a mazda B2000 p/u when I was a kid (we all know how hard a 16 year old male can be on a car, and I was no exception). I blew a head gasket at 90000 miles (40 mph downshift to 2nd) and there was no wear in the cylinders... . no ridge, and the cross hatch honing was still there. Of these 90000 miles I put on 80000, and I used Delo... . that was all we had since that is what my dad used in all of the equipment.

 

[Sled Puller]

I have a sample pump that I use down the dipstick tube. I also use it for the rest of the drivetrain.
Guys with by-pass filters have petcock valves.

Do you really think that Cummins wants you to get more miles out an already over built engine?

Nothin wrong with Delo, run it, change it, you'll never have a problem.
What do you do with your used oil?
Gene

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[Doc Tinker]

Isn't it boring listening to this over and over again?

Doc

 

[Jetson]

What did you say Doc? Speak up! I can't hear you! #ad