AMSOIL; Negative feedback?

[SlyBones]

John,

You got my attention. I was planning on switching to amsoil on the next change. Will have 66K+ on the engine. So what precautions do I need to take?

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1997 2500 4x4, CC, Auto, 3. 54 LSD, 66K, Everything inc Leather, K&N, 4" BD cat-back, otherwise stock, Isspro Gauges(3), 285/75/16 on Alcola's, RS9000's, Canopy, BedLiner, and tons more.

 

[Sled Puller]

Doc,
I swear there are some guys that put up other guys to start trouble!! I can keep quiet only so long, and then I have to get into it!


I would do an engine flush with that many miles,only takes 20 minutes, and gets all the PETRO CRUD OUT OF THERE!

Gene

 

[Diesel Freak]

I use it to burn brush.

 

[illflem]

Number one reason not to use Amsoil

 

[Sled Puller]

illflem,
Did an Amsoil dealer run of with your wife?
Let the grudge go man!
gene

 

[Extreme1]

WOW,
So, like, uhhh, after 51,000 miles WITHOUT AN OIL CHANGE, my motor must be junk, huh?

IT SURE KNOCKS LIKE IT!

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Sorry, had to do that one. #ad


Also sorry, tried reading the link above. No offense, illflem, but there are only a handful of guys posting there. The rehtoric THEY were throwing (not to mention the spelling & grammer which made it REALLY hard to read) was very familiar.

I'd be more worried about buying a vehicle used in a Duralube ad than about my engine on Amsoil.

 

[illflem]

Ok, Amsoil salesmen give me the reason why Amsoil isn't API certified, while you're at tell me that Cummins doesn't have the right to deny warranty if you use a non-certified lube.

 

[Sled Puller]

illflem,
It is explained here: https://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb//Forum3/HTML/003064.html

Again...

After being out here for a year, wouldn't you think that horror stories would be coming out of wood work if Amsoil was no good?

Maybe you think we have this attitude
"It blows my engine up twice a year, but I like paying $5 a qt, so I'm stickin with it"

Come on!
Amsoil does what they say it will do, and has since 1972.
Gene

 

[Timinator]

I thought that the Magnuson-Moss warranty act (federal law) required that an auto dealer or manufacturer must PROVE that the equipment failure was due to improper maintenance, etc. , BEFORE they can void the warranty. This law was designed with consumer protection in mind. The law does not require dealers to repair equipment that has been mistreated, but it does put the burden of proof on the dealer, since they are in a position of power.
The people who state that dealers have absolute power and/or discretion are performing a disservice. Most people are misinformed about their rights because they believe what dealers tell them, i. e. , "If you do X,Y, or Z your warranty is automatically void", and then that bad information is repeated.

 

[illflem]

Tim, you are right that they can't tell you what brand of oil to use, but they do specify the oil weights, ratings and certification. If you vary from their recommendation I'm sure they will use it against you.

 

[Sled Puller]

And if they do try to pull some underhanded dirty deal, Amsoil will step in and take care of it. The Amsoil warranty picks up when theirs runs out anyway.
It is actually one more way to protect yourself from Crooked Dealers.
Gene

 

[ftb87]

I'm new to this topic. My question is if I do understand the dealers correctly "if I have engine failure due to Amsoil, they will replace it for free"?

Frank

Also, I notice that the 4-ball wear test was done at a lower temp. than our trucks run at? Also, you compaired dino oil that was thicker, does that relate to the less scaring?

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01 White, Quad Cab,Short Box ,Sport SLT+,5 speed 3. 54 Ltd-slip,4X4,line-x ,Nerf bars,fiberglass tonneau cover

 

[Sled Puller]

Frank,
I would suggest using the search feature on the top of this page.
You will find out that people ask a simple question about oil. Which gets answered, Then people come out out of the woodwork to bash said product even though they have no proof to back up their claims and have never used it themselves!
Listen to the users, not the chronic complainers.

Here is a link to the warranty: http://amsoil.com/warranty.htm

Gene

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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
www.awdist.com

 

[Sled Puller]

The 4 ball wear test is run under ASTM D-4172 test parameters.
Amsoil runs it close to the max allowance on the 3000 5W-30.
Thickness of the oil in this case doesn't have to do with the scar. Additive package does. That is why the Amsoil 5W-30 protects better than the 15W-40's
Gene

[This message has been edited by MGM (edited 03-16-2001). ]

 

[amsoilman]

Just thought I would post a picture of the valves of my 94 Cummins ram after 129,000 miles on a single oil drain. reason for pulling covers was to adjust valves.
http://www.1gr8oil.com/valves_2.jpg

Wayne

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94'SLT 4X4 AT/White in color. Factory Tow Hooks & Running Boards. Amsoil By-Pass filter, Amsoil Air cleaner,and all fluids are Amsoil. Optima "Red Top" batteries.
BD exhaust Brake, BD Torque Lock, BD Torque Converter, Dr. Performance Stage II Injection Pump. Mag-Hytec Diff Cover,Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan, Isspro Pyro, Boost,Oil temp Gauges mounted in 3 Gauge post mount. One gauge monitors Engine Oil, Trans, Diff. Temps.
Wayne Owen

 

[ftb87]

MGM,

By your comment, your saying 15w-40 has less additives than the 5w-40? Again I ask, why didn't Amsoil use 15w-40 in the test (apples to apples)?

Frank

 

[Sled Puller]

Amsoil 5W-30, yes that is 30W, exceeds all specs for heavy Duty Diesel applications.
Once again, Amsoil is ahead of the game. In a few years ALL Diesel engine manufactorers will be REQUIREING a 30W to meet fuel economy and emissions standards set forth by our Government.
They also have a 15W-40. No sense in changing it to meet the new standards, a lot of people will still have older engines and want it. It is less expensive also.
They are showing that a 5W-30 out protects thicker oil. Impressive, I think.
Gene
i'm

 

[ftb87]

Again I ask? Give me an apples to apples compairson! Cummins says use 15w-40, That is what I going to use!!! If you want me to utilize your product, then give me answers.

Frank

 

[Bob Riley]

Originally posted by ftb87:
Again I ask? Give me an apples to apples compairson! Cummins says use 15w-40, That is what I going to use!!! If you want me to utilize your product, then give me answers.

Frank

Frank, I'll try to answer your question. That comparison was used to proove that their 5w-30 could protect better than the 15w-40 oils. The misconception is that a 30 weight cannot protect the engine as well as a thicker oil.
I can e-mail you the data bullitens for the 15w-40 diesel oil if you like. They haven't gotten them on the site yet.
Ford tells us to use 15w-40 also in the climates I live in(Fla. ), but I use 5w-30 as well. My oil analysis reports tell me that I like it. #ad

Bob


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[R.ebel]

The following is a quote from the link that was posted by illflem -

"Regardless, these lubricant manufacturers state that their products will not void new car warranties.
If I put a non-API Certified lubricant in my new engine and it fails due to an “oil related” problem,
the auto manufacturer now has a an out, and a legitimate out at that! I’m sorry, I know both AMSoil
and RedLine make great products, but you won’t find their motor oils in my car. BTW, I submitted
this to DCAnswers earlier this afternoon====>“I recently discovered that a Synthetic oil I was
considering using is not API certified. They do state in their advertising that their products exceed
the API SJ rating. I am VERY reluctant to use these products in my car without API certification.
Would the use of this product put my warranty in jeopardy (the manufacturer claims it will
not)?”... ... Their response====> “Thank you for contacting DaimlerChrysler. DaimlerChrysler does
specify that the oil used in your vehicle be certified by the American Petroleum Institute (API). If the
oil you are using is not certified by the API, I would recommend discontinuing use of this oil. The
warranty on your vehicle would be jeopardized if a non-certified oil caused damage to your engine. ”

This appears to DC's postion in regards to the oil being API certified. It's not likely that using Amsoil in your engine or any other type of oil would cause engine failure. Large Companies are always looking for an out.