Anatomy of a Frantz toilet paper bypass oil filter

[Chipstien]

I would suspect that it is easier to "keep" oil clean then it is to "clean" dirty oil. Regardless, you should see the oil lighten up some.

 

[Johnstra]

As I said in my post above, my oil had 3500 miles on it when I put mine on and it lightened considerably. After about 400 miles, I think the TP stopped filtering much and I didn't see much change between 400 and 500 miles.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Well, since the effective lifespan/filtering capacity of a TP cartridge is about 2500-3000 miles, it's reasonable to assume the filter has pretty well reached it's limit, and needs to be swapped out - doesn't really make much difference whether the oil is gradually filtered for 2500 miles, or 2500 mile oil is run thru it all at once, the contamination level is the same...

 

[CFAR]

I'm still curious to see if I have any tp in there. Mine hasn't seemed to clean up at all. I do have III's and a comp (1x1 99% of the time).

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"I'm still curious to see if I have any tp in there. Mine hasn't seemed to clean up at all. I do have III's and a comp (1x1 99% of the time). "



(GASP!)



Jeeze - all that dern TP is probably down in the pan or wrapped around the crankshaft!



Normally, about 500 miles use with REASONABLY used oil will see it clean up quite well - but with VERY dirty oil, well, these are GOOD filters, but not miracle workers - and they DO have an upper limit as to how much they can remove before a new element is needed. My oil, using the Frantz, will normally start to darken at about 2500 miles - by 3000 miles I have changed it, and very shortly after that, my oil is as clean as when it came out of the bottle again...



But certainly, ALL it's performance is DIRECTLY related to use of the proper TP material, and then getting it installed properly into the canister to assure a tight fit and that all the oil must actually pass THRU the cartridge, not around it...

 

[Ralph Wood]

The Motor Guard is by far the easiest and least messy to service. They are the most positive which is no big deal for lube oil but is for fuel. I just changed the Frantz on an automatic transmission. The Frantz takes a smaller element than the Motor Guard. The Motor Guard is less restrictive.

My friend came over for filters to be installed on a new Dodge Cummins. He has been reading the messages and has some concern about the fuel pump being able to push the fuel through the submicronic filter. I will be installing the Motor Guard that I took off the fuel on the 6. 0 Powerstroke on the automatic transmission. I will be installing a dual full flow and submicronic bypass Motor Guard system on the ATF. We spent today doing the lube oil filter and talking. My guess is he will install a kick butt pump and pressure gauge. Then it we be my turn. I have done work for pilots before and they are fussy about details.

I will get some pictures.





Ralph

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"The Motor Guard is by far the easiest and least messy to service. "



I dunno Ralph - it's pretty HARD to have "less mess" than the 3 minute changes and NO MESS I have with my Frantz...



And we don't need pictures of the bypass, we need oil analysis sheets - THAT'S where the beef is! I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours...



We're not gonna get into the Bypass version of "oil wars" are we?

 

[bmoeller]

I sure hope this thread stays on "the path". This is a good one. Don't need it going down hill this far into it.

 

[Ralph Wood]

I dunno Ralph - it's pretty HARD to have "less mess" than the 3 minute changes and NO MESS I have with my Frantz...

And we don't need pictures of the bypass, we need oil analysis sheets - THAT'S where the beef is! I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours...

We're not gonna get into the Bypass version of "oil wars" are we?

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I think people need to know as much about all of the filters as possible. Filters are simple; oil is complicated. I am not afraid to get into a debate about which filter has the most advantages. I can change a Motor Guard with one hand in less than a minute. There is no wire to forget to put back in. I don't have to unroll as much paper because the Motor Guard is a little larger. The Motor Guard doesn't sweat oil.

There is a little talk about other filters being better than the Motor Guard. We need to bring it out in the open. If there is a better filter than A Motor Guard I need to know about it. A filter can be very good at cleaning oil but still not be in the same class as a Motor Guard.

I brought back the Motor Guard at some expense because in my opinion it is the best of the bypass filters that clean oil. If the Frantz is better than the Motor Guard people need to know. Not many have 40 years of experience using them.

Knowledge should be the most important thing in making choices.



Ralph

 

[amsoilman]

RalphWood



Please PM me. I need to know how you hooked up a by-pass to a &%$*#@! FORD 6. 0 Powerstroke! I spent ALL of yesterday trying to adapt fittings from the oil pressure sender. There is NO ROOM, and the threads on the sender are not anything I have ever seen!



Thanks,



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[banzaitoyota]

How much $$$$ does the mot0-guard kit and element cost?

 

[Johnstra]

Maybe I missed this somewhere in this thread, but is the ID of the TP roll that comes from Frantz different than that of a Scott roll of TP? The Scott TP doesn't come close to sealing on the filter post. I know Gary is using o-rings... is that why?

-john

 

[JSmith]

yes

 

[Johnstra]

yes, to which... Frantz roll has different ID or yes we need the o-rings because the filter spindle OD is different than any TP roll ID?

 

[Chipstien]

Yes, to that is why Gary used the o-rings... ... to seal when used with the larger I. D. TP. There are TP rolls that use the smaller diameter still.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Ralph, do you have any oil analysis sheets from your use of the filters you sell - or perhaps one from a customer? I'd sure like to see one for the sake of comparison...

 

[amsoilman]

I'd sure like to see one for the sake of comparison...

Gary,

This will not prove anything, as each oil analysis is based only on the vehicle or apperatus it is taken from. You can have the same brand engines, and run them under the same conditons, and still each analysis will be different!

I have a customer with 5 trucks, all Dodge/cummins and each one will come back with different results. All of these trucks have about the same total mileage within 10,000 miles.







Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Gary,

This will not prove anything, as each oil analysis is based only on the vehicle or apperatus it is taken from. You can have the same brand engines, and run them under the same conditons, and still each analysis will be different!"



True to a certain degree no doubt - but IF no appreciable difference or improvement in oil analysis is evident, then why bother installing the bypass filters?



I *know* without the slightest doubt bypass filtering works - I have analysis results before and after their install - if I wasn't sure, and didn't have PROOF of their benefit, I sure wouldn't be using one!



And in my book, guys peddling or promoting specific brands or filter types who won't or can't provide a typical analysis sheet displaying results using their filter, don't merit much consideration for my filter $$$!



YMMV!

 

[bmoeller]

The Frantz is slick.

Have about 150 mi. on the Frantz so far. I can read my dipstick through the oil now. Was getting black enough I couldn't before. Had about 2k on the oil when I put it on.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Oo. Oo.