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I bought a new Hitchhiker fifth wheel in May 2007. It came equipped from the factory with Uniroyal Laredo LT235/85 R16 tires in Load Range E. I would never have purchased those tires myself but figured I'd use them for three years or so then replace them with Michelins. That turned out to be a mistake. My decision was influenced by comments posted on the Hitchhiker website by the NuWa CEO who claimed that they have good luck with the Uniroyal tires on several models.



Well, Monday (yesterday) afternoon about 4 p. m. New Mexico time I was humming along I-40 eastbound at about 65 mph with a good tailwind on my way home from May Madness. 7. 6 miles west of the Santa Rosa exit where US 84 turns south toward home the left rear tire of the trailer threw its tread and then the tire blew out. I stopped immediately and inspected the damage. The tire carcass was already destroyed and the tread, in one long piece, was wrapped around the trailer axle and wedged down in the narrow opening between the shock and the brake backing plate. The wheel skirt around the tire openings was damaged and so was a trim panel on the leading edge of the entertainment slide out and the skirt panel on the bottom of the slide. I limped the rig along the shoulder for five miles with cars and vans whizzing by only 3 feet away at 75-80 mph until I reached the first Santa Rosa exit. Safely removed from the interstate I replaced the failed tire with the spare and continued home.



The tires are not overloaded. I scale weighed the rig on the trip to May Madness and found 10,820# on the trailer tires. LT235/85R16 LRE tires are rated at 3,042# per tire at 80psi. They were inflated to 80 psi and have always been properly inflated. The tires have approximately 15,000 miles on them and show no irregular wear. The trailer has been used regularly so has not sat idle on the tires for longer than several weeks at a time since new.



The first thing I did this morning was take the trailer to my local SAM's Club and have a set of Michelin XPS Ribs installed. When my tire installer friends removed the Uniroyals they found a long tread bulge on another tire of the set. The carcas was already beginning to shed its tread.



I have initiated a claim for damage to Uniroyal but don't know if I will be successful.



I have added Uniroyals to my long list of tires I would never use on a heavy travel trailer. The only tires not on my "never use" list are Michelins and BFG Commercial LT tires.



I would recommend against using Uniroyal Laredo light truck tires on a heavy trailer. Mine failed with low mileage and less than one year of service. They were properly maintained and never abused.
 
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It's always lousy to end a rv trip with a tread separation,but glad you got off the road OK. I hope the Michelins give good service for you as I've been using them for a couple of years so far. I noticed they run cooler than the Good4ayear Marathons that started sidewall buldging after two years. We are in Carlsbad NM after seeing the Grand canyon and today the caverns and have many more miles before we reach Virginia to see my grandkids and after popping 100-150 bucks for a fillup we don't need any tire trouble!
 
After this happened to me... I bought a hand held temperature gauge that was point and shoot. . under $70 at the time and I've now seen them around $60... .

As we stop at rest stops the first thing we do is walk around the trailer and measure the tread temperature and than the sidewall temperature... any tire that is 20* more than the rest I stop and look at after I go to the rest room... I also look at the temperature of the brake drums on the trailer... if one brake is not doing its share of work you see that right away also... .

I also have become more attentive to the tire pressure... checking them before each trip... any tire that is low is inspected and rechecked along the trip...

Hope this helps. .
 
Harvey, I put Uniroyal and Firestone on my, "DO NOT BUY LIST", 35 years ago since I had miserable experience with both. I'm glad you made it home without any greater damage. Good luck with your claim to Uniroyal.
 
HBarlow,



Just to be safe, at the scales you should try to weigh each axle.



I saw a 500lb difference (4200lbs vs. 3700lbs) between the rear axle and front axle of the trailer.



The axles are approx 3 feet apart but the rear is definately carrying more load on my trailer.



This may help you get to the root cause of the issue if one of your axles is closer to the max weight carrying capacity of the tires.



I'm still paying for my new 225/75-15 ST tires, but I'm considering the 16" Michelin XPS ribs very seriously. My issue is cost (wheels=$100ea and tires=$200ea) and also minimum clearance between the tires. Does anyone have a minimum dimension to use?



Thanks,

Louis
 
LRutigliano Can you drop your fithwheel down in frunt?Ifyou can move your fithwheel down one hole it will take some weight off of the back axle. that is what i did to get the weight off my back axle. ---- BEN
 
HBarlow,

Just to be safe, at the scales you should try to weigh each axle.

I saw a 500lb difference (4200lbs vs. 3700lbs) between the rear axle and front axle of the trailer.

The axles are approx 3 feet apart but the rear is definately carrying more load on my trailer.

This may help you get to the root cause of the issue if one of your axles is closer to the max weight carrying capacity of the tires.

I'm still paying for my new 225/75-15 ST tires, but I'm considering the 16" Michelin XPS ribs very seriously. My issue is cost (wheels=$100ea and tires=$200ea) and also minimum clearance between the tires. Does anyone have a minimum dimension to use?

Thanks, Louis









My new Arctic Fox came with ST, 16", LR "E". As soon as we came home with the 5er, I had my local Discount Tire change them out to Michelin LT, XPS Rib, 235 85 R16, LR "E". I have about 1 1/2" between the front and rear tire. I feel it's enough.
 
After this happened to me... I bought a hand held temperature gauge that was point and shoot. . under $70 at the time and I've now seen them around $60... .



As we stop at rest stops the first thing we do is walk around the trailer and measure the tread temperature and than the sidewall temperature... any tire that is 20* more than the rest I stop and look at after I go to the rest room... I also look at the temperature of the brake drums on the trailer... if one brake is not doing its share of work you see that right away also... .



I also have become more attentive to the tire pressure... checking them before each trip... any tire that is low is inspected and rechecked along the trip...



Hope this helps. .





I am going to get one of those too.



I always go around and touch every tire when I stop along with the hubs. These new Maxxis tires run way cooler then my factory cheap tires that were on it.



I can't fit 16's, that's why there aren't michelins on mine.
 
... and also minimum clearance between the tires. Does anyone have a minimum dimension to use?
The only spec I know is for axle spacing. Anything spaced under 40" on center is considered one axle. I have no idea if that applies to RV's or not. I know my livestock trailer is only about 36" and DOT has never checked. I've never seen a livestock trailer with the required "minimum spacing. " I even asked the manufacturer about increasing the spacing and they said "no. " I think it's too easy to overload one axle with the longer spacing.

Oh yeah, back on topic. Dad bought a new '95 Chevy w/6. 5 TurD. Came from the factory with Uniroyals. They sucked for traction and eventually at least one, maybe more, split down the middle. .
 
Regarding the spacing, I've heard that no less than one inch is what you want to see.



I upgraded my trailer tires from 205/75/15-C's to 225/75/15-D's & they worked well. However, I recently heard of another upgrade that includes BF Goodrich Commercial, LT 225/75/16-E's ( $130. 00) from Discount Tire (here in Phoenix) but, you have to upgrade the wheels, also.



Discount gets a trailer wheel from a company called Carlisle Wheel that can install almost any bolt pattern. They are about $45. 00 ea. They have a zero inch offset like most trailer wheels do.



The tires are 1" taller than my 225/75/15's. There should be more than enough room in the fender well & about 1-1/2" space between the two tires when mounted on the trailer.



Trailer tires are recommended to be replaced every three years. The BFG's can go to five or six years plus, they are a much tougher tire. One of the towing company's, locally, is switching their trailers to this combination.



If I hear any more, I'll let you know.



Joe F. (Buffalo)
 
Michelin used to make a light truck tire in 15"..... I personally like the attention you usually can get with the guys at Costco... they'll go right to the web sight and look... they special order 19. 5" tires for me all the time...

Well not really all the time... . every 100K on our old F550...
 
I measured the distance between my two 225/75R-15's and there is 4. 5" of space.



The 225/75R-15's are 28. 2" dia and the 235/85R-16 XPS Ribs are 32. 2" dia. That means I would have 1/2" of distance between the tires if I get the XPS Ribs...



I wish Michelin or BFG made a LT 15" E rated tire.
 
Hey Harvey



Sorry to hear about your tire problem, I've been there and done that before. Speaking of tires, I hooked up my new truck this morning to the trailer to see if it sat level. I pulled the trailer out I figured I'd take it around the block to check out the brakesmart. While pulling forward I was watching my trailer tires when I saw what looked like a big bubble on the inside front driver side wheel. I went back to take a look and found a big gash in the tire. I'll be tire shopping too.
 
the 16" Uniroyal Lerado HD-H LT E load range are popular with the folks on the Hitchhiker RV forums. Their a sister tire to the B F Goodrich Commercial LT E which have a very good record with trailers from commercial haulers. Condemming a tire brand from one bad experience doesn't make cents or sense. I shredded a XPS Rib on my 26' implement trailer some years back but I didn't condem the Rib tires. I found it had a low pressure rubber valve stem that just gave it up which let the air out and on a nite run I didn't catch it in time till another trucker honked and flashed his lights. Now if we have lots of reports of problems as we have with ST tires such as Carlisle or Marathons and China made tires then its time to look at another tire.
 
I too have had very bad experience with Uniroyals. I bought a set at a friends recommendation, 6 months later they were all replaced, one at a time, for various issues.

They later someone said to try them on a dually. Three of the rear tires had tread separation. The dealer said "I found the problem, you are running them under inflated" I said they are at the max on the sidewall-65- he said to run them at 80. I told him 'no' I won't over inflate a tire.

Eventually the other three had separation too.

Years ago-many- with the firestone 500 tires, I bought a new set, then had tread wabble- separation.

I went to the tire dealer I bought them from and asked for a refund because of the recall. He refused.

I won't buy any more of either brand.
 
Something to be aware of is the date that the tire was manufactured, which is shown by week and year. Example, 345, meams 34th week of 2005. A tire starts to deteriorate from the date it was made. It is recommended that ST tires be replaced 3 years from date of manufactured and LT tires be replaced 6 years from date of manufactured. My source of information are from Consumer Reports, segment on the Today Show and a recent article in the newspaper. Some tires were known to be as much as 8 years old when they were sold at new prices. So it is possible that an XPS Rib can go bad from the start.
 
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