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This is the kind of mindless drivel that spouts forth from the ignorant. . .



Of course, I guess I am a little arrogant when it comes to my big diesel powered truck that could smash his stupid little japanese sports car if he dared complain about the smoke. . . :D
 
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Now if this ignorant twit would care to explain why there is a waiting list at all VW dealers for anything with a diesel engine.



He probably owns a gas powered Excursion. :rolleyes:
 
It would be nice is someone in the area took him for a ride in their "lethargic" modified ram. I doubt he would change his mind though. I figure this guy dries a 1981 Volvo, beige of course, that rattles worse than the UPS truck, and has the vinyl-clad duct-taped seats with a peace sign in yellow crayola on the dashboard.
 
I would like to take this jerk for a ride and see what he says about the accelleration profile of my truck. Not fun to drive?? Give me a break!!
 
It's a shame this clown get's paid to spew His Opinions, Not Fact around. He does give the diesel credit for some level of performance, and durability, and economy, but then He drops His pants and unloads on the little TDI. He didn't state facts or compare figures, cost per mile, etc. Or state that Thrid World Countries like Germany, Austria, etc. ALL buy these diesel's in High numbers.

Sure makes You realize how little of the broadcast or printed news is accurate anymore!

A letter writting campaigne to His Boss would get more results, Keep in Mind, His Boss probably isn't Much smarter than He is, Should respond to threats to boycott His advertisers.

:) DENNY... ... ... ... ... ...
 
Thanks for posting that link, Treb. As far as I am concerned, that guy is a complete doofus. What an ignoramus.



By the way, that is NOT namecalling.



Fritz
 
Anyone able to find his email address??? I couldn't... but would like to :) (i just quickly skimmed over the site) I am still busy looking for a truck for a member.
 
The worst part about this is that an opposing view will surely not be run, and if so. . it will be damn hard to find.



This is just like when a story is printed in the paper on page one that turns out to be not true... the retraction is usually printed in a VERY small article buried in the middle of the paper.



Here is the 'Letter to the Editor' link. They didn't have Mr. Jackson's email address posted.



-- email address removed --
 
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He or she should stand on the corner and smell the gas burner rotten egg smell. Give me diesel any day. All day! They also do not know the difference from noise and music. It is music to hear the diesel pull.
 
This is what I sent the guy. Please don't make a liar out of me, I really would like to see this guy get flooded. It turns out, that if you email them, they ask that you include your address and phone number for verification reasons.



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I've recently read the article one of your people wrote on the new VW Jetta TDI. If I were to buy a new car today, it would be one of those smelly, lethargic turbodiesels because what else can get me 55 MPG. Maybe its the fact that these third-world country cars prodcue emissions that are less harmful to the environment than the insanely popular Excursion and Suburbans, which get around 10 MPG.



If you do the math, 1 gallon used in 55 miles



Or



1 gallon used in 10 miles.



Which one is obviously spewing out more emissions. In the nuclear world, we say that the solution to pollution is dilution. If I spread the same volume of anything over 5. 5 times the distance, which is better for the environment.



As for slow and lethargic, my old 1986 VW Golf diesel was plenty fast enough to do 75 MPH. And it still got 55 MPG after 275K miles.



This article has made its way to the Turbo Diesel Register (turbodieselregister.com) which is viewed by over 7000 Cummins owners, along with many other diesel truck owners. If you haven't already, you'll be recieving hundreds, if not thousands of emails. I would like to see a flip-side version of your article posted, one that mentions the benefits of diesels. Sure, when you compare a 2. 0L diesel to the 6 cylinder version of the Jetta, the diesel may seem slow. But I can assure you that it'll be plenty fast enough, and do so while doubling the fuel economy, thus halving the amount of oil we must use, as a country, to drive our highly mobile society.



Dan Cooper





Rob, I though you might like to see what I wrote the editor. I would like to see this post make it to both Powerstrokes and Duramaxes websites, as well as VWs and Mercedes's diesels site if they exist. I'm fairly confident that would get 10,000 emails. :)
 
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that article's not new, guys

that very same article's been around for about a year now... is the Houston Chronicle running it current???? still makes me mad though... . rm
 
What an idiot, i wish he had an Email adress. Let him say what he wants, let the Cummins be a secret, then we can blow the doors off these ignorant morons.
 
Originally posted by Pogodually

Everyone needs to drop Mr jackson an email and tell him how we like our diesels.



JMHO



Did exactly that. See below. I used the following as the email address: -- email address removed --



<Begin Email text>



I have just read the column by Les Jackson. In it, he describes his reaction to a diesel powered Volkswagen Jetta.



It is unfortunate, but Mr. Jackson includes in his opinion several items which are not only untrue, but blatantly incorrect. Let me elaborate.



>The Jetta is powered by a turbocharged diesel engine and that’s where the problem begins.



This indicates the obvious bias of the writer, which is unfortunate when a reporter is supposed to report information objectively.



>The main purpose of the diesel engine is to develop high torque (for pulling heavy loads) and to do so efficiently and economically.



This is true. However, he fails to note that this torque can be applied in a manner which means a car can be moved quite easily at comfortable speeds.



>The truth is, a diesel engine will typically get twice the fuel mileage of a comparable gasoline engine and last twice as long.



This is false. A diesel engine will be more efficient due to not only its design, but the fuel it burns. But it will not "typically get twice the fuel mileage of a comparable gasoline engine. " While is possible to do this, it is not typical, nor should it be expected.



It would seem that Mr. Jackson portrays the diesel favorably in this case, which is true. However, I mention this error to demonstrate the lack of knowledge that Mr. Jackson seems to possess in regard to diesel engines. To wit, Mr. Jackson then says a diesel engine will last twice as long as a gasoline engine. This is also in error.



Due to heavier construction, a diesel engine may last as much as four times a comparably sized gasoline engine. However, this feature too, is variable depending on many circumstances. Thus, Mr. Jackson starts his string of conclusions without factual basis, or regard for reality based conditions.



>What they are not designed for is quietness, smoothness and enhancement of the driving experience.



This is a matter of personal taste, to be sure. In my Dodge Ram, many first time riders note the smoothness of the ride and quiet diesel. While this may seem a contradiction, as the Cummins is noisy while standing next to the truck, in the cab it is quite calm and the diesel has little effect on overall comfort. While a Jetta is not a large pickup truck with an industrial diesel under the hood, this fact should be in the Jetta's favor. Mr. Jackson appears to portray the Jetta as a vibration filled uncomfortable ride. I am sure it is not as he claims in many Jetta owners opinion.



>The little diesel engine rattles and shakes, belches blue smoke for a few seconds, followed by a teeth-rattling noise and an acceleration profile that matches a UPS truck.



While this may be true, Mr. Jackson appears unaware that a gasoline engine does the same with more harmful emissions on start up. Further, as a diesel gets warmer, it becomes even more quiet and fuel efficient.



>It’s just that way with diesel engines. Driving a diesel is too much like work. Regardless of the technology under the hood, diesels are tediously slow and lethargic.



This is blatantly incorrect. Mr. Jackson needs to find a school offering a course in diesel technology basics, and sit back for a very informative few days. Even before the latest computer control, but now especially with it, diesel engines can be made to perform in almost any acceleration or hauling situation. This can be done while keeping emissions low. I can speak from experience with the Cummins diesel in the Dodge Ram; a diesel can and will provide all the acceleration a driver could want, and then some. These trucks are hardly lethargic, I have to conclude that the diesel Jetta is not slow either.



>Worse, diesels aren’t very clean-burning. They emit smelly, oily smoke that annoys those driving behind and forces the rolling-up of windows and turning on of air conditioners.



Again, Mr. Jackson shows his ignorance of diesels. Due to the nature of a diesel engine, it is lower in emissions than a gasoline engine. A diesel engine will typically emit less "greenhouse" type gasses per horsepower or comparable displacement than a gasoline engine. The two main emissions are Oxides of Nitrogen and soot. Thats right, SOOT. Carbon monoxide emission is much lower from a diesel than a gasoline engine, and carbon dioxide is associated with the diesel due to its compression ignition design. A gasoline engine cannot claim the same.



Take a drive next to a diesel engine that has computer controlled fuel delivery. You will find very little smoke, certainly no black clouds that used to be the norm. The tailpipe emissions of a diesel are not oily either. This would indicate a problem with the engine, since this is the result of incomplete combustion. A properly operating diesel will have no visible tailpipe emissions, and very little smell. Further, a gasoline engine has an odor as well, but Mr. Jackson seems to think breathing those emissions is more desirable.



>It is my humble opinion that diesel drivers have a slight, holier-than-thou attitude. It's as if they are more fiscally responsible than the rest of us because their Mercedes, Peugeot, Volkswagen or truck diesel will outlast our cars’ inferior gasoline engines by many years. They all seem to drive their diesel smudgepots with a smugness borne of being eccentrically different.



It appear this is the basis on which Mr. Jackson builds his opinion of diesel engines. This is unfortunate, since it has little to do with the engine itself.



Perhaps the new owners of a diesel powered Jetta will find a smugness born of being environmentally responsible. Would that be more suitable to Mr. Jackson?



>One of the few reasons manufacturers sell diesel-powered cars in the United States is that they make them for Third-World countries anyway. Diesel engines do get better fuel mileage but there are so few of them sold here that there is no statistical impact on corporate average fuel economy data.



Again, it appears that Mr. Jackson uses irrrelevant data to support his condemnation of the diesel engine. Or does he? Perhaps the fact that these countries pay even more for fuel than we do is motive enough for them to get a more efficient engine?



>Let’s face it, most of us dislike diesel-powered cars for one reason or another.



Blatantly false. There is a shortage of diesel powered Ram Pickups, and the line for diesel powered Jettas grows by the day.



>Fortunately, it seems, so does the EPA, since they are about to regulate diesel engines more stringently, reducing their emissions to those of gas engines.



Again, false. The EPA is more concerned with the fuel a diesel burns than the engines that burn it. Thus, they are regulating the chemicals in the fuel, such as sulpher. There are certain changes that have to be made in the fuel systems of diesel engines to handle the fuel modifications, but this is already agreed upon. Also, new programming of the electronic fuel controls on diesel engines has provided a means of lowering the emissions. Further, it hardly changes the fact that a gasoline engine has more emissions than a diesel.



>It’s about time somebody regulated good taste.



Indeed, its also time someone regulated good jounalism in general, and Mr. Jackson in particular. Mr. Jackson needs to move into the 21st century and find out about the new technologies available to make diesel engines not only more desirable, but more user friendly than in past decades.



Thank you for your time.
 
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It’s just that way with diesel engines. Driving a diesel is too much like work. Regardless of the technology under the hood, diesels are tediously slow and lethargic. It’s just not fun to drive one.



Yeah, right. I'd like to take him for a ride.



They emit smelly, oily smoke that annoys those driving behind and forces the rolling-up of windows and turning on of air conditioners.



I prefer to think of it as anti-tailgater protection.



It is my humble opinion that diesel drivers have a slight, holier-than-thou attitude. It's as if they are more fiscally responsible than the rest of us because their Mercedes, Peugeot, Volkswagen or truck diesel will outlast our cars’ inferior gasoline engines by many years. They all seem to drive their diesel smudgepots with a smugness borne of being eccentrically different.



Fiscally responsible... yep, thats me, lolX100.



Let’s face it, most of us dislike diesel-powered cars for one reason or another. Fortunately, it seems, so does the EPA, since they are about to regulate diesel engines more stringently, reducing their emissions to those of gas engines.



Agreed, it must really $uck to have a 4 ton truck blow the doors off of your $40,000 'sports car' . As for the EPA, let's here it for them... THEM THEM %^$# THEM. Like they are doing such a bang up job saving the world from pollution.



Scott W.
 
It is comforting to be among TDR member's that are way more in touch with reality than the media. Thanks to Max340 for that thoughtful and articulate response to Mr. Jackson's sladerous, uninformed garbage.
 
somthing like that makes me want to slap the guy silly!!!and then hook a chain to whatever piece of Cr*P he drives and pull it around town for a while... . maybe with him in it so he can smell my smoke!. I have a friend with a 98 TDI bug and is NOT slow off the line ... if you didnt know, you would not guess its a diesel... I was remember straining to hear any diesel sound at all... AAARRRRRGGGGG... . People!!!!!!! . Jim
 
MAX340, great reply!



I sent a MUCH shorter version just to say that he didn't know what he was talking about and that the article was totally misleading.
 
Seems that we got it wrong

After reading about our trucks and how great the Cummins is, Les has had a change of heart. Seems he is now online and motivated to be the best diesel owner in the land. To prove his allegeance to our cause, he even got himself a tattoo. Les sent me an email, he's looking for a used 12V'er that has enough Mods. to turn the day into night, said he's tired of hiding behind the wheel of a riceburner all of his life.
 
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