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It is way too easy to become a citizen.
I guess I should weigh in here. . I'm a Calif. native [not many around any more]... I have watched this state turn into something I hate and will be out in a few months ... this is one of the most beautiful states in the union, but what has happened has turned me to be totally against it.
The LIBERALS have ruined this state. . I was raised between Eureka and Arcata [freshwater area] on a dairy farm. . hand milkers. . we couldn't afford the "new modern" automatic milking... I lived there thru the floods of '56 and had just moved to Sac for the flood of '64 where entire valleys and towns were covered in up to 300 ft. of water. . I saw several homes in the very top of redwood trees in Peperwood area after the '56 flood. I had to sleep in the long lines of traffic on 101 while it took many years to create the road you drive on now... old 101 or better said avenue of the giants was THE road back then. . you would drive around a sharp curve and a damnnn turista would be laying in the center of the highway on his back taking a picture of a redwood tree...
yes this a very Conservative state if you cut off the major population areas and the voters that live there . . probably 75% Conservative. . but we do have to support those areas weather we like it or not again I'm giving up and moving
I am lucky to have a true 75 mile view over the Sierras toward Yosemite National Park and look over many hill sets and valleys . . but even here it is starting to turn to a "retirement area" so the Bay Area and the LA area folks are moving in for their slice of the nice area before they are all gone and bringing with them their views of right and wrong and the way it otta be
they sell there for 300K to 500K for a spec tract home and come up here and blow out the home price cause they have a pocket full of $$ and no brains . . hell we just had a fool build a 7500 SQ. FT. home on our hill . . and he has never lived in snow country, his wife is very obsiese and asthmatic and can't stand pollen. . never owned a 4x4 and thinks every one else will run to the store for him [25 min. to the closest one] during snow storm's
Sorry for the book... . but I too am tired of the Liberal mentality that ruins this state.
Joe and the others are correct that this a great state the has been over run with all "your" goof balls looking for some winter sun and a job... then becoming miserable with life and screwing it up for all others... . so please keep yours and we'll kick out the goof balls back to ya so we can have our state back
The LIBERALS have ruined this state. . I was raised between Eureka and Arcata [freshwater area] on a dairy farm. . hand milkers. . we couldn't afford the "new modern" automatic milking... I lived there thru the floods of '56 and had just moved to Sac for the flood of '64 where entire valleys and towns were covered in up to 300 ft. of water. . I saw several homes in the very top of redwood trees in Peperwood area after the '56 flood. I had to sleep in the long lines of traffic on 101 while it took many years to create the road you drive on now... old 101 or better said avenue of the giants was THE road back then. . you would drive around a sharp curve and a damnnn turista would be laying in the center of the highway on his back taking a picture of a redwood tree...
yes this a very Conservative state if you cut off the major population areas and the voters that live there . . probably 75% Conservative. . but we do have to support those areas weather we like it or not again I'm giving up and moving
I am lucky to have a true 75 mile view over the Sierras toward Yosemite National Park and look over many hill sets and valleys . . but even here it is starting to turn to a "retirement area" so the Bay Area and the LA area folks are moving in for their slice of the nice area before they are all gone and bringing with them their views of right and wrong and the way it otta be
they sell there for 300K to 500K for a spec tract home and come up here and blow out the home price cause they have a pocket full of $$ and no brains . . hell we just had a fool build a 7500 SQ. FT. home on our hill . . and he has never lived in snow country, his wife is very obsiese and asthmatic and can't stand pollen. . never owned a 4x4 and thinks every one else will run to the store for him [25 min. to the closest one] during snow storm'sSorry for the book... . but I too am tired of the Liberal mentality that ruins this state.
Joe and the others are correct that this a great state the has been over run with all "your" goof balls looking for some winter sun and a job... then becoming miserable with life and screwing it up for all others... . so please keep yours and we'll kick out the goof balls back to ya so we can have our state back
JEEZE - I had to look carefully at the above to make sure I hadn't written it - my views exactly...
Willyslover
I agree with you 100%. My Great Grandmother was born in Columbia in 1852. I am 4 generation native Californian and PROUD of it. In my 50 odd years I have seen major changes to this great state. I always tell people that I grew up in a So Cal that doesn't exsist anymore. Where I used to hunt are now houses and golf courses.
I agree with you 100%. My Great Grandmother was born in Columbia in 1852. I am 4 generation native Californian and PROUD of it. In my 50 odd years I have seen major changes to this great state. I always tell people that I grew up in a So Cal that doesn't exsist anymore. Where I used to hunt are now houses and golf courses.
Originally posted by Pit Bull
Don't send them to SW Missouri we drive big 4x4 diesel trucks and they wouldn't like it.Plus I live here and my wife says I'm a miserable person to live around. :-laf
Pit- As long as you don't cut any trees down. If you start cutting trees down, they might start camping out in your trees.
Tom- I grew up in the HB area- You can't even tell it's the same city now.
Tom. . Columbia the gold rush town by Sonora ?. . if so I'm on top of the hill [Big Hill] to the east on the southern edge overlooking Twain Harte
well good news. . Columbia hasn't changed in years LOL [cause it's a state park now]. . still has one of the best restaurants in the area ... the City Hotel ... . and has a great wine list. . my wife and my favorite night out restaurant
ON EDIT. . Bill Sorry we hi-jacked your thread...
up here the Kids do the "I'm a 4x4 stuff" in the mud and take it out on the road for all to have some... after a snow or rain it is ready for all to have... well our "dirt and mud" is very red from the iron soil here so you can get a nice new paint job till you deal with it... not to mention it will allow you to slip in the turns during the rain and snow... . I personaly don't care ... youngans need to play just like we did when we were young... .
ON EDIT. . Bill Sorry we hi-jacked your thread...
up here the Kids do the "I'm a 4x4 stuff" in the mud and take it out on the road for all to have some... after a snow or rain it is ready for all to have... well our "dirt and mud" is very red from the iron soil here so you can get a nice new paint job till you deal with it... not to mention it will allow you to slip in the turns during the rain and snow... . I personaly don't care ... youngans need to play just like we did when we were young... .
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Not real "Tread Lightly" kind of guys, eh?
This is a good example, of some guys having fun, but are messy about it, and now the lawmakers are going after them.
Sort of like what is going to happen to the "smokers" (our Diesels... . come to think of it, the ciggerette smokers also!)
Smoke wisely!
This is a good example, of some guys having fun, but are messy about it, and now the lawmakers are going after them.
Sort of like what is going to happen to the "smokers" (our Diesels... . come to think of it, the ciggerette smokers also!)
Smoke wisely!
willyslover,
There's noplace safe from the growth in CA.
I'm born and raised in Marin county - my grandfather was the Postmaster of Sausalito, and I grew up in Tiburon. But when I came back from Vietnam in 1969 it was already growing too fast. My father was getting disgusted even then but he stayed hoping that the regulators would put the brakes on it all and stop the destruction of all that he loved and he died that way. So I went to Santa Cruz - Felton, and lived there for twenty five years. (By the way JoeG, there hasn't been any logging to speak of in the San Lorenzo Valley for over twenty years). But now it's a bedroom for Santa Clara Co. and even the local kids have to deal with gang issues in school.
So I left last year. I still own my place down there but I doubt I'll ever go back because I know that the crowding will never slow down. People are permeating areas where I wouldn't have thought anyone COULD live and it just keeps getting worse. Tract housing swarms across what were productive fields and people think it's normal to commute fifty miles or more each way every day.
I'm 54 years old. I've bought a few acres in a quiet area north of Portland and hope that I can live in peace for the rest of my time.
And..... shouldn't the capitol of the State of Jefferson be in Weed - after the biggest cash crop in Northern California?
There's noplace safe from the growth in CA.
I'm born and raised in Marin county - my grandfather was the Postmaster of Sausalito, and I grew up in Tiburon. But when I came back from Vietnam in 1969 it was already growing too fast. My father was getting disgusted even then but he stayed hoping that the regulators would put the brakes on it all and stop the destruction of all that he loved and he died that way. So I went to Santa Cruz - Felton, and lived there for twenty five years. (By the way JoeG, there hasn't been any logging to speak of in the San Lorenzo Valley for over twenty years). But now it's a bedroom for Santa Clara Co. and even the local kids have to deal with gang issues in school.
So I left last year. I still own my place down there but I doubt I'll ever go back because I know that the crowding will never slow down. People are permeating areas where I wouldn't have thought anyone COULD live and it just keeps getting worse. Tract housing swarms across what were productive fields and people think it's normal to commute fifty miles or more each way every day.
I'm 54 years old. I've bought a few acres in a quiet area north of Portland and hope that I can live in peace for the rest of my time.
And..... shouldn't the capitol of the State of Jefferson be in Weed - after the biggest cash crop in Northern California?
I dunno what you want to call it, but my son-in-law was doing something with a chain saw that caused trees to fall down near Boulder Creek for the last four years. They moved back to Roseburg, OR a few months ago. Maybe that was the only logging show working then, but from what my daughter was telling me there were quite a few loggers during the evening in Joe's Bar (I think that's the right name for the place) in Boulder Creek. Lots of ranting about tree huggers too. It's not like it was at one time for sure.
There are some nice places in CA that are safe from growth. They are just really inconvenient to get too is all. Alleghany and Graniteville for example.
There are some nice places in CA that are safe from growth. They are just really inconvenient to get too is all. Alleghany and Graniteville for example.
I don't mind some growth... just don't bring your damnnn flat land I'll control you mentality with ya and what can you do for me attitude...
they do not even know their neighbor and expect them to come to their rescue without ever having said Hi I'm your neighbor... . can I help you with... or Hi I'm your neighbor new to the mountains , what does it take to get through the winters. . you know just common manors...
example the putz I referred to earlier. . first statement out of his mouth to a couple of us working on our private road . . keeping it nicer than the county road we adjoin... . well the house I'm building will raise all your property values it's 7500sq. ft. and and over a million $$... . soooo f'ing what pal, get a chain saw and help cut up this brush and slag from the felled tree instead of putting your clean hands on your hip and watching, or at lest offer what can I do to help clean "our" road.
guess in my old age I am just to critical or big city dip shi** with attitude.
Joe. . your correct there are nice places [here included]... but between the new taxes that our fine gov. will be imposing and all the other issues it's just not worth it anymore. . IMHO
they do not even know their neighbor and expect them to come to their rescue without ever having said Hi I'm your neighbor... . can I help you with... or Hi I'm your neighbor new to the mountains , what does it take to get through the winters. . you know just common manors...
example the putz I referred to earlier. . first statement out of his mouth to a couple of us working on our private road . . keeping it nicer than the county road we adjoin... . well the house I'm building will raise all your property values it's 7500sq. ft. and and over a million $$... . soooo f'ing what pal, get a chain saw and help cut up this brush and slag from the felled tree instead of putting your clean hands on your hip and watching, or at lest offer what can I do to help clean "our" road.
guess in my old age I am just to critical or big city dip shi** with attitude.
Joe. . your correct there are nice places [here included]... but between the new taxes that our fine gov. will be imposing and all the other issues it's just not worth it anymore. . IMHO
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Gary,
I think there is a lot to the attitude here in Humboldt County. The acre next to us was sold this year. A young man and his family are going to build a really nice house there. The first thing this guy did was visit those of us close to the property and talk to us about it. He has to log the place to get room to build (he would have to cut some trees even if he just put up a tent). So he wanted to know if we wanted any trees left near our place or if we wanted all of them cut. We asked him to leave the row of trees right next to the fence. He said fine, that's what he will do. Of course, his grandparents were born in Eureka and so were all the rest of them.
If I had to put up with people like you have moving into the area I think I would saddle up the Ram and move to Happy Camp or Susanville.
I think there is a lot to the attitude here in Humboldt County. The acre next to us was sold this year. A young man and his family are going to build a really nice house there. The first thing this guy did was visit those of us close to the property and talk to us about it. He has to log the place to get room to build (he would have to cut some trees even if he just put up a tent). So he wanted to know if we wanted any trees left near our place or if we wanted all of them cut. We asked him to leave the row of trees right next to the fence. He said fine, that's what he will do. Of course, his grandparents were born in Eureka and so were all the rest of them.
If I had to put up with people like you have moving into the area I think I would saddle up the Ram and move to Happy Camp or Susanville.
Last time I visited CA (to help my brother move back east) I unknowingly went to downtown san francisco during the gay pride parade, all you have to do is see that once and you will understand why some people refer to CA as the land of fruits and nuts
also it is the only state where I have heard of a company being fined 3200 dollars for spilling tap water on the ground, my brothers employer had a fill valve on a holding tank stick (simple toilet float kind) and the CA epa fined them $3200 dollars for spilling plain old tap water out of the overflow pipe on the tank into the parking lot
yes the san jaquine (spelled wrong I know) valley is the biggest ag producer in the country, but it would aslo be out of business if the farmers there had to pay for the true expense of importing all that water they use from the colorado river, which the rest of CA pays for in taxes
lastly I pay about $1000 a year in property taxes, on a 1500 sq ft house on a 26 by 80 lot in the middle of a city (cincinnati, the next detriot urban wasteland) politics pretty much suck in any big city anymore, wish I had bought in the country but I did not want to drive 30 miles to work every day, I like my 7 mile drive
also it is the only state where I have heard of a company being fined 3200 dollars for spilling tap water on the ground, my brothers employer had a fill valve on a holding tank stick (simple toilet float kind) and the CA epa fined them $3200 dollars for spilling plain old tap water out of the overflow pipe on the tank into the parking lot
yes the san jaquine (spelled wrong I know) valley is the biggest ag producer in the country, but it would aslo be out of business if the farmers there had to pay for the true expense of importing all that water they use from the colorado river, which the rest of CA pays for in taxes
lastly I pay about $1000 a year in property taxes, on a 1500 sq ft house on a 26 by 80 lot in the middle of a city (cincinnati, the next detriot urban wasteland) politics pretty much suck in any big city anymore, wish I had bought in the country but I did not want to drive 30 miles to work every day, I like my 7 mile drive
Isn't this wonderful? Been to a city in CA and knows all about the state. NO Colorado River water in the Central Valley, Sacramento or San Joaquin parts. In fact, a lot of northern CA water is sent to LA. Continual water wars over the Northern CA rivers. Another reason for the State of Jefferson. Colorado River water goes to southern CA cities and Imperial Valley which is quite a drive from the Central Valley.
It's not just Calif
In Washington state it's a $10,000 fine to run out of toilet paper in a agricultural outhouse.
I hear you all about Calif growth. I grew up in the Sierra foothills east of Porterville. At that time the population of P'ville was almost 5,000, ten years ago I went back and it was 62,000, must be way over 100k by now. Why anyone would want to live in a hellhole like P'ville is beyond me, it averages ninety plus days per year over 100° and about same amount of the winter is so foggy you can't see 100 feet, yet it continues to grow. Sort of makes me think folks are hard up for a place to live.
In Washington state it's a $10,000 fine to run out of toilet paper in a agricultural outhouse.
I hear you all about Calif growth. I grew up in the Sierra foothills east of Porterville. At that time the population of P'ville was almost 5,000, ten years ago I went back and it was 62,000, must be way over 100k by now. Why anyone would want to live in a hellhole like P'ville is beyond me, it averages ninety plus days per year over 100° and about same amount of the winter is so foggy you can't see 100 feet, yet it continues to grow. Sort of makes me think folks are hard up for a place to live.
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