Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Just went back to a sovp from a hrvp for drivibility- much better with my setup. Now I need to step up my injector size to get back to where I was power wise- yes ther is a big difference in pumps. The hrvp makes the m4s seem alot bigger than they are. I've got a set of 250s on thier way to try out. If I don't like em, they will take em back and cover shipping. Figured thats a pretty good deal. Was planning on 6s, but we'll see how these do first. Thanks again!